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If the Federal government were allowed to tax things that existed only hypothetically, then perhaps they ought to start with Democrats' understanding of economics.
It doesn't exist hypothetically. It is an asset. It has a value and a worth.

The uber-rich know that. That's why they dump their money into such assets and instead of selling them to liquidate, they borrow against them to minimize their risk, thereby spreading out their tax burden as long as possible and lowering their overall tax bracket. That's how they've gamed the system. The gains are never realized, but they've still made the money because they know that, in the long run, most investment assets increase in value.

But the other problem why you will never see a wealth tax in this country is because the phony socialists actually are quite wealthy themselves. Pelosi, of course, is a prime example. Her husband Paul has a whole lot of wealth.
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It doesn't exist hypothetically. It is an asset. It has a value and a worth.

The uber-rich know that. That's why they dump their money into such assets and instead of selling them to liquidate, they borrow against them to minimize their risk, thereby spreading out their tax burden as long as possible and lowering their overall tax bracket. That's how they've gamed the system. The gains are never realized, but they've still made the money because they know that, in the long run, most investment assets increase in value.

But the other problem why you will never see a wealth tax in this country is because the phony socialists actually are quite wealthy themselves. Pelosi, of course, is a prime example. Her husband Paul has a whole lot of wealth.

I'm not sure why borrowing against one's assets to generate spendable cash-flow is "gaming" the system.  There is a corresponding liability for that borrowing that must be repaid, along with an interest expense as well.  And unless the individual can attribute the interest expense on that liability to an investment use, rather than mere personal consumption, the interest expense will not be deductible (i.e., could not be used to offset other investment interest income the taxpayer has).

The only potential for "abuse" - if one wants to spread that word almost beyond recognition - is in the area of variable prepaid futures contracts that were sometimes written against assets held by the taxpayer.  The purpose of these contracts was to more or less effectuate a sale of the asset for cash to a person who would have held the asset as in investment for the long term any ways, but to do so in a way that the putative "seller" would not have a realization event until a substantial period in the future in which the futures contract was settled through transfer of title to the covered assets.  Where these arrangements got abusive - and where the IRS cracked down on them - was where a substantial portion of the benefits and burdens of ownership were taken on by the putative seller of the forward contract (e.g., the seller would take possession of the evidence of the property, such as stock certificates, and would be entitled to utilize the income generated by the asset, such as dividends paid on that stock).  The IRS would then, usually on audit, treat the VPFC as a disguised sale of the underlying assets at the time the contract was entered into, and would assess tax, plus penalties and interest, on that basis.

Tax minimization is not nearly as simple as a lot of people seem to think.

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The interest on the loans against the assets is less than the rate of taxation.  They may even be able to deduct the interest paid.  It's tax efficient.

Loans against assets caused problems during Enron scandal, and in the 2008 Financial Crisis when mark-to-market accounting forced many loans into technical insolvency - the collateral values fell below the loan values.

The most tax efficient things for me to do with my money today are:

1.) contribute to 401-K and Roll-Over IRA restirement savings plans
2.) pay down principal on my mortgage

2008 taught me about better managing my household run rate - my monthy minium non-discretionary expenses.

By paying down principal and refinancing when rates make it work the trouble, I have been able to reduce my monthly mortgage Principal and Interest payment - improve my househould run rate.

Saving money is more tax efficient than earning more.  Because of payroll taxes, I need to gross $1.60 to net $1.00.  Every net $1.00 saved on my household run rate is equivalent to a gross $1.60 payraise.

Payraise = $0.60 net income/$1.00 gross income
Saving = $1.60 gross income /$1.00 net saving

If your work for a paycheck in the country, you are being hosed.
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The interest on the loans against the assets is less than the rate of taxation.  They may even be able to deduct the interest paid.  It's tax efficient.

Loans against assets caused problems during Enron scandal, and in the 2008 Financial Crisis when mark-to-market accounting forced many loans into technical insolvency - the collateral values fell below the loan values.

The most tax efficient things for me to do with my money today are:

1.) contribute to 401-K and Roll-Over IRA restirement savings plans
2.) pay down principal on my mortgage

2008 taught me about better managing my household run rate - my monthy minium non-discretionary expenses.

By paying down principal and refinancing when rates make it work the trouble, I have been able to reduce my monthly mortgage Principal and Interest payment - improve my househould run rate.

Saving money is more tax efficient than earning more.  Because of payroll taxes, I need to gross $1.60 to net $1.00.  Every net $1.00 saved on my household run rate is equivalent to a gross $1.60 payraise.

Payraise = $0.60 net income/$1.00 gross income
Saving = $1.60 gross income /$1.00 net saving

If your work for a paycheck in the country, you are being hosed.

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Sounds like we would enjoy your particpation over here.  In the area of wealth preservation, we all need to learn from one another.....  Always wanting to hear new and good innovative ideas.....

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