Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire

[Right_in_Virginia]

Glenn Greenwald
@ggreenwald

Also worth re-visiting: this 2017 @Politico article on how Ukrainian officials tried to influence the 2016 US Presidential election by working with DNC operatives to help Hillary and undermine Trump, based on their belief that Hillary would win.

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Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire
Politico, Jan 11, 2017

Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election. And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found.

A Ukrainian-American operative who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee met with top officials in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to expose ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation.

The Ukrainian efforts had an impact in the race, helping to force Manafort’s resignation and advancing the narrative that Trump’s campaign was deeply connected to Ukraine’s foe to the east, Russia. But they were far less concerted or centrally directed than Russia’s alleged hacking and dissemination of Democratic emails.

More:  https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

[libertybele]

Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire
Politico, Jan 11, 2017

Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election. And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found.

A Ukrainian-American operative who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee met with top officials in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to expose ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation.

The Ukrainian efforts had an impact in the race, helping to force Manafort’s resignation and advancing the narrative that Trump’s campaign was deeply connected to Ukraine’s foe to the east, Russia. But they were far less concerted or centrally directed than Russia’s alleged hacking and dissemination of Democratic emails.

More:  https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

People tend to forget.  Burisma anyone?

[Right_in_Virginia]

People tend to forget.  Burisma anyone?

The "black ledger".

Manafort.

Impeachment.

[libertybele]

The "black ledger".

Manaort.

Impeachment.

Trump possibly uncovered the deal between Joe and the Ukraine and Putin has been backed into a corner?

I did find it interesting that when Putin first took aim at Ukraine, Trump was asked, what message he had for Putin.  Trump's response was, he had no message.

[dfwgator]

Considering Trump is no longer in the White House, seems like it worked pretty well to me.

[libertybele]

Considering Trump is no longer in the White House, seems like it worked pretty well to me.

??? Seriously?  At what cost?  Thousands of lives lost.  Hundreds of thousands fleeing to a neighboring country. Globalization taking over. U.S. economy tanking. U.S. loss of energy independence. Threat of WW III. Putin using dagger missiles.

Gee ... it seems like things worked much better under Trump and the world was in a much better place.

[catfish1957]

You mean @Hoodat hasn't weighed in on his love of the Ukranian government yet?

Also didn't hear much around the tendency of Ukranian officals to like use MSNBC as their conduit for information to this country.

I am sure there isn't anything up with that.  /s

Like I have said, both sides are wickedly complict in this matter, and its only Putin's ruthlessness, that I have to throw my support behind the Ukranian people, but ZERO for their government.

[Hoodat]

You mean @Hoodat hasn't weighed in on his love of the Ukranian government yet?

@catfish1957

Again, show me where I expressed love for the Ukrainian government or defended the Ukrainian political structure.

[sneakypete]

You mean @Hoodat hasn't weighed in on his love of the Ukranian government yet?

 

@catfish1957

Unless his family is from Ukraine,I very much doubt he or anyone else here is a super fan of Ukraine.

I suspect MOST of the support for Ukraine comes from the FACT that they were invaded by a MUCH larger country  with many more weapons and soldiers,in an unprovoked invasion.

On top of that,they managed to pretty much stop the Russians. If not totally,they at least stalled them and took what Putin was sure to have thought was an "easy conquest" away from him.

Most Americans tend to root for the underdog,and in this dust-up,Ukraine was clearly the underdog.

[DB]

You mean @Hoodat hasn't weighed in on his love of the Ukranian government yet?

Also didn't hear much around the tendency of Ukranian officals to like use MSNBC as their conduit for information to this country.

I am sure there isn't anything up with that.  /s

Like I have said, both sides are wickedly complict in this matter, and its only Putin's ruthlessness, that I have to throw my support behind the Ukranian people, but ZERO for their government.

You do know that Putin's puppet was in charge in 2017 don't you?

Facts do matter.

[Hoodat]

Facts do matter.

Not to some people in here.

[sneakypete]

You do know that Putin's puppet was in charge in 2017 don't you?

Facts do matter.

@DB

Trump was President in 2017,and if you are trying to claim that Trump was Putin's puppet you are beyond being delusional. You are a complete and utter fool on the professional level.

Hell,you make Biden look rational by comparison.

Now,if you typed 2017 by mistake,and we ALL make mistakes,you need to speak up NOW and name who you had in mind.

[sneakypete]

Not to some people in here.

@Hoodat

So,are you claiming you also think Trump was Putin's puppet?

[Hoodat]

@Hoodat

So,are you claiming you also think Trump was Putin's puppet?

Uh, no.  That would be silly.

[Hoodat]

@DB

Trump was President in 2017

Poroshenko was President in 2017.

[DCPatriot]

@DB

Trump was President in 2017,and if you are trying to claim that Trump was Putin's puppet you are beyond being delusional. You are a complete and utter fool on the professional level.

Hell,you make Biden look rational by comparison.

Now,if you typed 2017 by mistake,and we ALL make mistakes,you need to speak up NOW and name who you had in mind.

@sneakypete

I believe the reference was to Petro Poroshenko.

[sneakypete]

Poroshenko was President in 2017.

@Hoodat

Ok,I see where the confusion came from.

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete

I believe the reference was to Petro Poroshenko.

@DCPatriot

My bad. Thanks for the heads up on this. I shouldn't post when I am sleepy.

[catfish1957]

@Hoodat

Ok,I see where the confusion came from.

Okay outside Loch Walensa, when was there ever "not" at a despot at the helm in Eastern Europe/USSR-Russia.

Maybe there is one, but I can't think of any.

[sneakypete]

Okay outside Loch Walensa, when was tbere ever "not" at a depsot at the helm in Eastern Europe/USSR-Russia.

Maybe there is one, but I can't think of any.

@catfish1957

Beats me. Then again,I am not an expert on  Medieval Russian leaders. Even back then it SEEMS like they had rulers with names like "Ivan,the Terrible",and THESE were the guys they looked up to and admired.

[sneakypete]

Okay outside Loch Walensa, when was tbere ever "not" at a depsot at the helm in Eastern Europe/USSR-Russia.

Maybe there is one, but I can't think of any.

@catfish1957

Beats me. Then again,I am not an expert on  Medieval Russian leaders. Even back then it SEEMS like they had rulers with names like "Ivan,the Terrible",and THESE were the guys they looked up to and admired,

[Smokin Joe]

People tend to forget.  Burisma anyone?

Not forgetting, but this was under Petro Poroshenko's Presidency.

The current President took office May 20, 2019
Unlike all his predecessors, he had no prior history of being elected to office.
That detail sounds more like Trump.

[sneakypete]

Not forgetting, but this was under Petro Poroshenko's Presidency.

The current President took office May 20, 2019
Unlike all his predecessors, he had no prior history of being elected to office.
That detail sounds more like Trump.

@Smokin Joe

No,but unlike Trump,he DID have a history of being a career intelligence officer with the Red Army.

[Kamaji]

@Smokin Joe

No,but unlike Trump,he DID have a history of being a career intelligence officer with the Red Army.

Who Zelenskyy?  He was about 13 y.o. when the Soviet Union fell apart.

[Hoodat]

The biggest scumbag of the bunch is Viktor Yanukovych.  He is probably the one who convinced Putin that Ukraine would be a cake walk.