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Re: Zelensky invokes 9/11 in pressing Congress for help
« Reply #25 on: March 16, 2022, 04:00:12 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on March 16, 2022, 03:55:33 pm
I know  I was teasing you.   happy77
I just wanted to explain to Kamaji why I used that term. "Propaganda" in the true sense of the word is rather neutral. My use of it doesn't not imply a value judgment. But I sure hope people listening to Zelenskyy's propaganda - and Putin's and Biden's and anyone else's - uses some critical thinking skills in evaluating it!
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« Reply #26 on: March 16, 2022, 04:02:53 pm »
Quote from: mountaineer on March 16, 2022, 04:00:12 pm
I just wanted to explain to Kamaji why I used that term. "Propaganda" in the true sense of the word is rather neutral. My use of it doesn't not imply a value judgment. But I sure hope people listening to Zelenskyy's propaganda - and Putin's and Biden's and anyone else's - uses some critical thinking skills in evaluating it!


I quite agree that I hope people use critical thinking skills in evaluating the entire situation.  And think it through without passion or emotionalism, either from the point of view of a parochial isolationism, or from claims of "moral clarity" that is not, in fact, quite so clear.

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Re: Zelensky invokes 9/11 in pressing Congress for help
« Reply #27 on: March 16, 2022, 04:07:18 pm »
Quote from: mountaineer on March 16, 2022, 04:00:12 pm
I just wanted to explain to Kamaji why I used that term. "Propaganda" in the true sense of the word is rather neutral. My use of it doesn't not imply a value judgment. But I sure hope people listening to Zelenskyy's propaganda - and Putin's and Biden's and anyone else's - uses some critical thinking skills in evaluating it!

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Re: Zelensky invokes 9/11 in pressing Congress for help
« Reply #28 on: March 16, 2022, 05:02:48 pm »
Biden up...mumbling :whistle:
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« Reply #29 on: March 16, 2022, 05:04:15 pm »
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Re: Zelensky invokes 9/11 in pressing Congress for help
« Reply #30 on: March 16, 2022, 05:04:59 pm »
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President Biden: Russian attacks on Ukraine's civilians "are atrocities," such as the hostage taking of doctors and patients at the hospital in besieged Mariupol.
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« Reply #31 on: March 16, 2022, 05:06:38 pm »
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BIDEN: U.S. weapons deliveries of anti-tank and anti-air to Ukraine have helped inflict losses on Russia
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« Reply #32 on: March 16, 2022, 05:07:09 pm »
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This cannot be a POTUS, "look at all I've done"

It needs to be a "here's what more we will do"
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« Reply #33 on: March 16, 2022, 05:08:11 pm »
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Biden announces $800 million more for Ukraine - He says it includes 800 anti-aircraft weapons, some of which have longer range. Also shoulder-mounted missiles to destroy tanks, drones, 7000 small arms, 20 million rounds of ammo

“This could be a long and difficult battle.”
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« Reply #34 on: March 16, 2022, 05:09:20 pm »
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U.S. will provide $800 million MORE in military aid to Ukraine: Biden

This includes:
• 800 anti-aircraft systems (including longer-range)
• 9,000 anti-armor systems
• 7,000 small arms (machine guns, shotguns, grenade launchers)
• 20 million rounds of ammo
• Drones
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Re: Zelensky invokes 9/11 in pressing Congress for help
« Reply #35 on: March 16, 2022, 05:09:32 pm »
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Biden announces $800 million more for Ukraine - He says it includes 800 anti-aircraft weapons, some of which have longer range. Also shoulder-mounted missiles to destroy tanks, drones, 7000 small arms, 20 million rounds of ammo

“This could be a long and difficult battle.”

Has he announced a time line for these alleged deliveries?
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« Reply #36 on: March 16, 2022, 05:10:57 pm »
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Joe Biden describes Ukraine fight against Russia as “humankind’s desire to be free” vs an “autocrat”
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« Reply #37 on: March 16, 2022, 05:11:19 pm »
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BIDEN: "We're going to give Ukraine the arms to defend itself in the days ahead."

POTUS has also recently said it is getting more challenging for US & NATO countries to supply Ukraine with arms, after a top 🇷🇺 official said the Kremlin would begin targeting new weapons shipments
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« Reply #38 on: March 16, 2022, 05:12:29 pm »
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« Reply #39 on: March 16, 2022, 05:13:24 pm »
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Re: Zelensky invokes 9/11 in pressing Congress for help
« Reply #40 on: March 16, 2022, 05:13:55 pm »
Quote from: Kamaji on March 16, 2022, 05:09:32 pm
Has he announced a time line for these alleged deliveries?

No...
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Re: Zelensky invokes 9/11 in pressing Congress for help
« Reply #41 on: March 16, 2022, 05:14:54 pm »
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Embarrassing - no comment on MIG-29s with "Green Light" Blinken sulking in the background as Biden walks away from questions from the press.
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Re: Zelensky invokes 9/11 in pressing Congress for help
« Reply #42 on: March 16, 2022, 05:16:47 pm »
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Embarrassing - no comment on MIG-29s with "Green Light" Blinken sulking in the background as Biden walks away from questions from the press.


Not putting the best foot forward.
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Re: Zelensky invokes 9/11 in pressing Congress for help
« Reply #43 on: March 16, 2022, 05:17:57 pm »
Grampy Joe had trouble finishing his toughts and sentences.
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Re: Zelensky invokes 9/11 in pressing Congress for help
« Reply #44 on: March 16, 2022, 05:18:17 pm »
Quote from: Kamaji on March 16, 2022, 05:09:32 pm
Has he announced a time line for these alleged deliveries?

Putin just said such 'deliveries' will be an Act Of War.
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Re: Zelensky invokes 9/11 in pressing Congress for help
« Reply #45 on: March 16, 2022, 05:19:44 pm »
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Biden running his mouth about this does far more to escalate the conflict than the sending of the weapons themselves.
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Re: Zelensky invokes 9/11 in pressing Congress for help
« Reply #46 on: March 16, 2022, 05:22:02 pm »
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Biden announces $800 million more for Ukraine - He says it includes 800 anti-aircraft weapons, some of which have longer range. Also shoulder-mounted missiles to destroy tanks, drones, 7000 small arms, 20 million rounds of ammo

“This could be a long and difficult battle.”

It would be nice to see Biden actually deliver weapons than to make announcements about weapons he is planning to send.
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Re: Zelensky invokes 9/11 in pressing Congress for help
« Reply #47 on: March 16, 2022, 05:22:36 pm »
Quote from: Kamaji on March 16, 2022, 05:16:47 pm

Not putting the best foot forward.

Biden doesn't have a 'best foot'.
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Re: Zelensky invokes 9/11 in pressing Congress for help
« Reply #48 on: March 16, 2022, 05:24:46 pm »
... and an overt military invasion of an internationally recognized sovereign nation isn't an act of war?

This is Putin's War of Choice.  Even the Swiss, Swedes, and Irish are against him.

Vlad, if America were to dust off the old Cold War covert operations manual, you would be in danger of losing (Russian) Georgia, Moldova, Belarus, and Kaliningrad, if not more.
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Re: Zelensky invokes 9/11 in pressing Congress for help
« Reply #49 on: March 16, 2022, 05:26:36 pm »
Quote from: Kamaji on March 16, 2022, 05:09:32 pm
Has he announced a time line for these alleged deliveries?

 *****rollingeyes*****

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