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mikezpen:
The West has shown Ukrainians that it is naive, spineless and greedy. Ukraine can not count on it.We promised them in 1991 that they would be protected if they signed over their nukes to Russia. You see how that worked out. Now, the "sanctions," which have come en masse as soon a Putin invaded instead of dribbling into existance, leave open the trading for oil and gas. America can supply Europe's needs as can the Middle East. A boycott of oil and natural gas would hurt Russia terribly. But no.

Ukraine should meet with Russia and see what it want to stop the invasion. It should promise the Russians that it won't join NATO or enter into any other military agreement with Western Europe or America.Maybe that will stop the war.Anyway, the West can't be counted on; Ukraine loses nothing.

Kamaji:
Generally agree.  Ukraine should strive to become a latter-day Switzerland of Eastern Europe.

Mod2:
Moved to appropriate category.

DB:
Russia has destroyed millions of lives over the last 50 years.

Russia should not dictate terms to its neighbor's period.

Hopefully this is Putin's last adventure. Pour supplies into Ukraine and make it hell for the Russians to the point that they cannot recover.

libertybele:

--- Quote from: mikezpen on February 27, 2022, 07:51:15 pm ---The West has shown Ukrainians that it is naive, spineless and greedy. Ukraine can not count on it.We promised them in 1991 that they would be protected if they signed over their nukes to Russia. You see how that worked out. Now, the "sanctions," which have come en masse as soon a Putin invaded instead of dribbling into existance, leave open the trading for oil and gas. America can supply Europe's needs as can the Middle East. A boycott of oil and natural gas would hurt Russia terribly. But no.

Ukraine should meet with Russia and see what it want to stop the invasion. It should promise the Russians that it won't join NATO or enter into any other military agreement with Western Europe or America.Maybe that will stop the war.Anyway, the West can't be counted on; Ukraine loses nothing.

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I disagree.  Ukraine surrenders everything if they give into Russia and allows Putin to dictate to them.  No the U.S. can't be counted on; that was blatantly evident with the pull out of Afghanistan.

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