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Russia wants NATO forces to leave Romania, Bulgaria - foreign ministry
« on: January 21, 2022, 08:39:43 pm »
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Russia wants NATO forces to leave Romania, Bulgaria - foreign ministry

MOSCOW, Jan 21 (Reuters) - The security guarantees that Russia seeks from the West include provisions requiring NATO forces to leave Romania and Bulgaria, the Russian foreign ministry said on Friday.

Moscow has demanded legally binding guarantees from NATO that the bloc will stop its expansion and return to its 1997 borders.

Replying to a question about what that would mean for Bulgaria and Romania, which joined NATO after 1997, the ministry said Russia wanted all foreign troops, weapons and other military hardware withdrawn from those countries.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-wants-nato-forces-leave-romania-bulgaria-foreign-ministry-2022-01-21/
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Re: Russia wants NATO forces to leave Romania, Bulgaria - foreign ministry
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2022, 08:41:03 pm »
So, Russia is now demanding that NATO abandon two member states of NATO?

Good going, Biden.
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Re: Russia wants NATO forces to leave Romania, Bulgaria - foreign ministry
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2022, 09:12:29 pm »
Sounds like Putin wants to go full-Stalin on the Eastern Bloc nations.
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Re: Russia wants NATO forces to leave Romania, Bulgaria - foreign ministry
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2022, 09:21:10 pm »
I sure do miss those mean tweets....
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Re: Russia wants NATO forces to leave Romania, Bulgaria - foreign ministry
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2022, 09:21:30 pm »
Quote from: EdinVA on January 21, 2022, 09:21:10 pm
I sure do miss those mean tweets....

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Re: Russia wants NATO forces to leave Romania, Bulgaria - foreign ministry
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2022, 09:25:00 pm »
Quote from: Kamaji on January 21, 2022, 08:41:03 pm
So, Russia is now demanding that NATO abandon two member states of NATO?

Good going, Biden.

Biden abandoned more than two member states when he pulled out of Afghanistan.
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Re: Russia wants NATO forces to leave Romania, Bulgaria - foreign ministry
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2022, 09:32:57 pm »
Quote from: mystery-ak on January 21, 2022, 08:39:43 pm
Moscow has demanded legally binding guarantees from NATO that the bloc will stop its expansion and return to its 1997 borders.

Replying to a question about what that would mean for Bulgaria and Romania, which joined NATO after 1997, the ministry said Russia wanted all foreign troops, weapons and other military hardware withdrawn from those countries.

Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Slovakia, and Slovenia all joined the same year as Bulgaria and Romania.  The US President needs to make a decisive response here in defense of NATO sovereignty.  President Trump would have no problem doing so.  It is a natural reflex for him.  But, I doubt we'll get that from Biden.
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Re: Russia wants NATO forces to leave Romania, Bulgaria - foreign ministry
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2022, 09:34:23 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on January 21, 2022, 09:32:57 pm
Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Slovakia, and Slovenia all joined the same year as Bulgaria and Romania.  The US President needs to make a decisive response here in defense of NATO sovereignty.  President Trump would have no problem doing so.  It is a natural reflex for him.  But, I doubt we'll get that from Biden.

That's a good point, and I am quite certain that Putin is more interested in the Baltic states than he is in Romania and Bulgaria, since getting those back would give him substantially greater access to open-water ports.
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« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2022, 09:43:32 pm »
Withdrawal from Romania and Bulgaria would effectively cede control of the Black Sea over to Russia.  Turkey would still have influence, but they are not the most supportive NATO ally.
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Re: Russia wants NATO forces to leave Romania, Bulgaria - foreign ministry
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2022, 09:52:50 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on January 21, 2022, 09:43:32 pm
Withdrawal from Romania and Bulgaria would effectively cede control of the Black Sea over to Russia.  Turkey would still have influence, but they are not the most supportive NATO ally.

I had not thought of that.  That does present an interesting wrinkle on things.  If Putin could get from Turkey a guarantee of free passage for Russian ships through the Bosphorus, then it might make getting control over Romania and Bulgaria attractive.  If he can also get effective control over Ukraine, then he effectively locks in control of the entire Western coast of the Black Sea.

That might actually be more attractive than trying to get control of the Baltic states and access to the Baltic Sea, since access to the North Sea would still be subject to potential attack by NATO via Denmark and Sweden.

Lots of chess pieces moving around on this board.

I don't think Hiden' Biden is up to the challenge.
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Re: Russia wants NATO forces to leave Romania, Bulgaria - foreign ministry
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2022, 10:34:22 pm »
When you start demanding such unreasonable extremes it is to make your 'incursion' into the Ukraine look reasonable in comparison. I wonder if England, Germany and France are still happy that that mean tweets guy is gone? I'm pretty damn sure that Poland, Hungary and the rest of the former satellite states wish we had Trump in the White House instead of an insane mental defective and a vapid idiot sidekick.
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Re: Russia wants NATO forces to leave Romania, Bulgaria - foreign ministry
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2022, 12:28:43 am »
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