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Democrats quietly explore barring Trump from office over Jan. 6
« on: January 06, 2022, 02:53:15 pm »
Democrats quietly explore barring Trump from office over Jan. 6
By John Kruzel - 01/06/22 06:01 AM EST

In the year since the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, a handful of Democrats, constitutional scholars and pro-democracy advocates have been quietly exploring how a post-Civil War amendment to the Constitution might be used to disqualify former President Trump from holding office again.

Calls for Congress to take steps to strip Trump of his eligibility, which reached a crescendo in the aftermath of the Jan. 6 riot, have since decreased. But those who remain engaged on the issue say discussions about applying Section 3 of the 14th Amendment have been ongoing.

“If anything, the idea has waxed and waned,” said Laurence Tribe, a constitutional expert at Harvard Law School. “I hear it being raised with considerable frequency these days both by media commentators and by members of Congress and their staffs, some of whom have sought my advice on how to implement Section 3.”

An analysis by The Hill found that around a dozen Democratic lawmakers have spoken either publicly or privately over the last year about how Section 3 of the 14th Amendment might apply to those who engaged in insurrection on Jan. 6.

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Re: Democrats quietly explore barring Trump from office over Jan. 6
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2022, 02:54:34 pm »
It won't stop with Trump.  If they are successful on this with him, it will expand to everyone who was associated with Trump, and then to everyone who is on the same side of the political spectrum as Trump.

They intend to permanently disenfranchise anyone who is not a leftist.
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Re: Democrats quietly explore barring Trump from office over Jan. 6
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2022, 05:16:21 pm »
What insurrection? You have to have an insurrection first.
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Re: Democrats quietly explore barring Trump from office over Jan. 6
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2022, 05:17:54 pm »
Quote from: Killer Clouds on January 06, 2022, 05:16:21 pm
What insurrection? You have to have an insurrection first.


What do you think the democrats are trying to fashion out of whole cloth right now?
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Re: Democrats quietly explore barring Trump from office over Jan. 6
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2022, 05:21:27 pm »
Quote from: Kamaji on January 06, 2022, 02:54:34 pm
It won't stop with Trump.  If they are successful on this with him, it will expand to everyone who was associated with Trump, and then to everyone who is on the same side of the political spectrum as Trump.

They intend to permanently disenfranchise anyone who is not a leftist.

And then anyone who isn't their kind of leftist.
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Re: Democrats quietly explore barring Trump from office over Jan. 6
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2022, 05:28:22 pm »
There was a time, long ago. Where the Lord would demand what he call ,taxes,
Eventually as is always happens, the rabble the uncouth the untouchables, rose and killed them.
America is  NOTHING, is simply another road sign ..
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Re: Democrats quietly explore barring Trump from office over Jan. 6
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2022, 05:32:37 pm »
Quote from: Kamaji on January 06, 2022, 05:17:54 pm

What do you think the democrats are trying to fashion out of whole cloth right now?

Exactly...

This is the real insurrection.
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Re: Democrats quietly explore barring Trump from office over Jan. 6
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2022, 06:10:19 pm »
2 failed impeachments ... no convictions ... on what legal grounds?  The Orange One has not been convicted of a crime.
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Re: Democrats quietly explore barring Trump from office over Jan. 6
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2022, 06:41:52 pm »
"Quietly"??   :silly:
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Re: Democrats quietly explore barring Trump from office over Jan. 6
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2022, 06:59:05 pm »
Quote from: Kamaji on January 06, 2022, 02:54:34 pm
It won't stop with Trump.  If they are successful on this with him, it will expand to everyone who was associated with Trump, and then to everyone who is on the same side of the political spectrum as Trump.

They intend to permanently disenfranchise anyone who is not a leftist.
Lefty uber-troll Scott Dworkin is already calling to arrest anyone who was at any protest that day.
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Re: Democrats quietly explore barring Trump from office over Jan. 6
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2022, 07:32:06 pm »
Quote from: DefiantMassRINO on January 06, 2022, 06:10:19 pm
2 failed impeachments ... no convictions ... on what legal grounds?  The Orange One has not been convicted of a crime.

On the ground that he participated in an insurrection.  Section 3 of the 14th Amendment prohibits anyone who took an oath to uphold the Constitution, and who then engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the U.S. from holding federal office.
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Re: Democrats quietly explore barring Trump from office over Jan. 6
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2022, 07:32:15 pm »
Quote from: jmyrlefuller on January 06, 2022, 06:59:05 pm
Lefty uber-troll Scott Dworkin is already calling to arrest anyone who was at any protest that day.

Bingo.
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Re: Democrats quietly explore barring Trump from office over Jan. 6
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2022, 08:29:24 pm »
Who determines if The Orange One "engaged in insurrection or rebellion", and how do they do that?
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Re: Democrats quietly explore barring Trump from office over Jan. 6
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2022, 09:08:17 pm »
Quote from: DefiantMassRINO on January 06, 2022, 08:29:24 pm
Who determines if The Orange One "engaged in insurrection or rebellion", and how do they do that?

Interesting question, and my guess is, nobody really knows (unless there is some legislative history to the drafting of the 14 Amendment that explains it - I haven't gone looking for that).

The operative provision of the 14th Amendment states as follows:

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No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Obviously, if a person did engage in insurrection, Congress clearly has the power to remove the taint, but it doesn't answer the case for who decides whether a certain person did, or did not, engage in insurrection in the first place.
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Re: Democrats quietly explore barring Trump from office over Jan. 6
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2022, 11:30:45 pm »
Quote from: Kamaji on January 06, 2022, 09:08:17 pm
Interesting question, and my guess is, nobody really knows (unless there is some legislative history to the drafting of the 14 Amendment that explains it - I haven't gone looking for that).

The operative provision of the 14th Amendment states as follows:

Obviously, if a person did engage in insurrection, Congress clearly has the power to remove the taint, but it doesn't answer the case for who decides whether a certain person did, or did not, engage in insurrection in the first place.
A better question is WHAT INSURRECTION? What happened at the Capitol on jan 6 is far from insurrection.
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Re: Democrats quietly explore barring Trump from office over Jan. 6
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2022, 12:39:31 am »
Comrade Briefers, you're looking at things from the wrong perspective.

If The Party is successful in this endeavor, might it then become time for a REAL "insurrection"...?
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Re: Democrats quietly explore barring Trump from office over Jan. 6
« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2022, 01:18:48 am »
Quote from: Fishrrman on January 07, 2022, 12:39:31 am
Comrade Briefers, you're looking at things from the wrong perspective.

If The Party is successful in this endeavor, might it then become time for a REAL "insurrection"...?
So very true.
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Re: Democrats quietly explore barring Trump from office over Jan. 6
« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2022, 01:19:30 am »
Quote from: Killer Clouds on January 06, 2022, 11:30:45 pm
A better question is WHAT INSURRECTION? What happened at the Capitol on jan 6 is far from insurrection.

You're putting the cart before the horse.
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Re: Democrats quietly explore barring Trump from office over Jan. 6
« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2022, 01:31:26 am »
POLITICS      PUBLISHED: 2:03 PM 6 JAN 2021  UPDATED: 10:20 PM 6 JAN 2021

President Trump Says Go Home: Antifa Infiltrators Storm Capitol, “These Aren’t Patriots”

God help us… it looks like evil will win and the revival of the United States has been successfully snuffed.
 by Georgette

Well, we knew it was going to happen… antifa agitators disguised as ‘maga’ supporters stormed the capitol building and caused the shooting of at least one woman.


Update: Police let them in:
Now, the president (in the most defeated video I’ve ever seen) has told supporters to go home.

Earlier, he called in the national guard. Just The News reported:
At President @realDonaldTrump’s direction, the National Guard is on the way along with other federal protective services.


We reiterate President Trump’s call against violence and to remain peaceful.— Kayleigh McEnany (@PressSec) January 6, 2021

I am asking for everyone at the U.S. Capitol to remain peaceful. No violence! Remember, WE are the Party of Law & Order – respect the Law and our great men and women in Blue. Thank you!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 6, 2021


Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement. They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 6, 2021

House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) also urged protestors to remain peaceful, tweeting out “Thank you to the Capitol Police for protecting the People’s House. Protestors have a Constitutionally-protected right to be heard, but I urge them to remain peaceful.”

Earlier, Congress halted the electoral college vote certification as lawmakers in both chambers were evacuated from the House and Senate floors to their offices. Some have been given gas masks to shield them from the tear gas being deployed by the Capitol police.


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— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 6, 2021
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Re: Democrats quietly explore barring Trump from office over Jan. 6
« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2022, 04:01:27 am »
Quote from: jmyrlefuller on January 06, 2022, 06:59:05 pm
Lefty uber-troll Scott Dworkin is already calling to arrest anyone who was at any protest that day.

Hitler did something similar after the Reichstag fire.
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Re: Democrats quietly explore barring Trump from office over Jan. 6
« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2022, 08:58:48 am »
Quote from: Kamaji on January 06, 2022, 09:08:17 pm
.  .  .  or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.

That applies to 90% of the Democrats in office today.
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Re: Democrats quietly explore barring Trump from office over Jan. 6
« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2022, 02:16:20 pm »
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It’s not legal hair splitting. Democrats are intentionally perpetuating the “insurrection” lie because that term is in Section 3 of the 14th Amendment.

They want to disqualify their political opponents. THAT is an attempt to thwart democracy.


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« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2022, 08:49:38 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on January 07, 2022, 02:16:20 pm
They want to disqualify their political opponents. THAT is an attempt to thwart democracy.

As a general rule, any time Democrats accuse others of wrongdoing, it is because they are already doing it themselves.
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