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Trump: America's Greatness Happened Because of 'Jesus Christ and His Followers and His Church'
Absalom:
--- Quote from: The_Reader_David on December 24, 2021, 01:48:29 pm ---No, natural law and human nature are not eternal, but are created, with a beginning. Only the One God, the All-Holy Trinity is eternal. Nor does your account explain as mine does how the understanding of the human person on which the American (or more generally Anglo-Saxon) concept of human rights is based arise only in the context of Christian civilization (cf. the lack of understanding of any individual human rights in Chinese civilization or the Kingdom of Benin).
(BTW, The Isapostolos Constantine the Great did not found "Roman Catholicism". He got the ancient and undivided Church to settle a controversy over whether Our Lord Jesus Christ is, in fact, God, or whether the Son was created. You might notice the title I gave the sainted Emperor. I am an Orthodox Christian, and we, unlike Roman Catholics, have him in our calendar of saints. Christianity only later became the state religion of the Empire during the reign of St. Theodosius the Emperor. However, Roman Catholicism was founded in the 11th century when the Latin Papacy separated itself from the Church, which until that point included the five Patriarchates based within the bounds of the Roman Empire at its largest extent, the Church of Cyprus, and an autocephalous Bulgarian Church -- the Russian Church was still part of the Patriarchate of Constantinple at that point -- and set up on its own, claiming authority for the Pope of Rome that was denied by earlier Popes (St. Gregory the Dialogist explicitly rejected the notion of a patriarch with universal jurisdiction) and which would make nonsense of some of the canons of the ancient church had it been held when they were promulgated.)
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Suggest you listen up, perhaps learn something, get off your high horse while parking your comedy routine.
Natural Law and Human Nature are eternal Essences, emphatically NOT "stuff created" over time, the measure
of material matters.
They were uncovered thru logic & reason by the wisest who ever walked the earth, among them Plato & Aristotle,
then much later by Scholastics such as Duns Scotus, Aquinas, Abelard, Ockham and Albertus, among dozens.
As for Roman Catholicism, it was founded by a Galilean, Jesus Christ of Judea.
Three centuries later, Emperor Constantine transitioned it to replace Paganism within the Roman Empire and it
evolved into the dominant religion across Europe up to the present.
LegalAmerican:
--- Quote from: Absalom on December 24, 2021, 03:05:18 am -------------------------------
Hmm...........Trumpet, desperate for attention, calls on Jesus??? How sanctimonious!
Suggest one of his Disciples alert Trump that Jesus Christ did not found the United States.
Ancient Greece & Rome were the founders of Western Civilization, culture and society,
as it now exists, over some 3.000 years past.
In the 3rd Century AD, Emperor Constantine transitioned Rome from it's Pagan heritage
to Roman Catholicism, the religious heritage/legacy that birthed the Europe of today.
Our Founder was Britannia, created by Rome as well as the Anglo Saxons, Normans,
Celts and Scots over many centuries.
Concepts and precepts, such as the Natural Law and Human Nature are eternal.
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NO. You just can't stop your jealousy and envy of TRUMP. Education does not mean you are smart. You just memorized well.
Absalom:
--- Quote from: LegalAmerican on December 25, 2021, 02:08:36 am ---NO. You just can't stop your jealousy and envy of Trump. Education does not mean you are smart. You just memorized well.
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No normal person is envious/jealous of Trumpet.
No matter, as his time is fading quickly, despite the delusions of his Disciples
roamer_1:
--- Quote from: Absalom on December 24, 2021, 03:05:18 am -------------------------------
Hmm...........Trumpet, desperate for attention, calls on Jesus??? How sanctimonious!
Suggest one of his Disciples alert Trump that Jesus Christ did not found the United States.
Ancient Greece & Rome were the founders of Western Civilization, culture and society,
as it now exists, over some 3.000 years past.
In the 3rd Century AD, Emperor Constantine transitioned Rome from it's Pagan heritage
to Roman Catholicism, the religious heritage/legacy that birthed the Europe of today.
Our Founder was Britannia, created by Rome as well as the Anglo Saxons, Normans,
Celts and Scots over many centuries.
Concepts and precepts, such as the Natural Law and Human Nature are eternal.
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While we tend to agree generally @Absalom, I will rise to draw a direct line within the scope you describe... That line embraces Natural law and Human nature, but rises specifically out of Christendom. And more than that, the brightest line toward liberty within Christendom's philosophy rises forth from very specifically Protestant Christian mores.
Without a single doubt, Great Britain would not be Great without that Protestantism, and the United States would not have risen as we know it. In that there can be no argument.
The argument would be in Tumpy having the historical wherewithal to declare it. :laugh:
Absalom:
--- Quote from: roamer_1 on December 25, 2021, 03:42:37 am ---While we tend to agree generally @Absalom, I will rise to draw a direct line within the scope you describe... That line embraces Natural law and Human nature, but rises specifically out of Christendom. And more than that, the brightest line toward liberty within Christendom's philosophy rises forth from very specifically Protestant Christian mores.
Without a single doubt, Great Britain would not be Great without that Protestantism, and the United States would not have risen as we know it. In that there can be no argument.
The argument would be in Tumpy having the historical wherewithal to declare it. :laugh:
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Roamer, provocative and powerful; so permit reflection before a response.
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