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libertybele:
Trump: America's Greatness Happened Because of 'Jesus Christ and His Followers and His Church'

Speaking at First Baptist Dallas church on Sunday, former President Donald Trump stressed that the great achievements in America are due precisely to the Judeo-Christian beliefs and practices of its citizens.

"[N]one of this could’ve ever happened without Jesus Christ and His followers and His church. None of it," said Trump.

First Baptist Dallas, founded in 1868, has an estimated 14,000 members and is headed by Pastor Robert Jeffress, 66.  Jeffress served on Trump's Evangelical Advisory Board and White House Faith Initiative............

https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/trump-americas-greatness-happened-because-jesus-christ-and-his-followers-and

The_Reader_David:
In this, Trump is absolutely correct.  The American conception of natural rights and of the inherent dignity of the human person (which are the basis for American greatness), and indeed the modern conception of persons itself, are all Christian in origin.  I would even argue that the modern conception of person was first worked out to say who and what, a particular person, Our Lord Jesus Christ is, by the seven Ecumenical Councils of the ancient and undivided Church.

libertybele:
Our country was founded upon Christian principles.

Absalom:

--- Quote from: The_Reader_David on December 24, 2021, 01:10:30 am ---In this, Trump is absolutely correct.  The American conception of natural rights and of the inherent dignity of the human person (which are the basis for American greatness), and indeed the modern conception of persons itself, are all Christian in origin.  I would even argue that the modern conception of person was first worked out to say who and what, a particular person, Our Lord Jesus Christ is, by the seven Ecumenical Councils of the ancient and undivided Church.

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Hmm...........Trumpet, desperate for attention, calls on Jesus??? How sanctimonious!
Suggest one of his Disciples alert Trump that Jesus Christ did not found the United States.
Ancient Greece & Rome were the founders of Western Civilization, culture and society,
as it now exists, over some 3.000 years past.
In the 3rd Century AD, Emperor Constantine transitioned Rome from it's Pagan heritage
to Roman Catholicism, the religious heritage/legacy that birthed the Europe of today.
Our Founder was Britannia, created by Rome as well as the Anglo Saxons, Normans,
Celts and Scots over many centuries.
Concepts and precepts, such as the Natural Law and Human Nature are eternal.

The_Reader_David:

--- Quote from: Absalom on December 24, 2021, 03:05:18 am ---.
Concepts and precepts, such as the Natural Law and Human Nature are eternal.

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No, natural law and human nature are not eternal, but are created, with a beginning.  Only the One God, the All-Holy Trinity is eternal.  Nor does your account explain as mine does how the understanding of the human person on which the American (or more generally Anglo-Saxon) concept of human rights is based arise only in the context of Christian civilization (cf. the lack of understanding of any individual human rights in Chinese civilization or the Kingdom of Benin).

(BTW, The Isapostolos Constantine the Great did not found "Roman Catholicism".  He got the ancient and undivided Church to settle a controversy over whether Our Lord Jesus Christ is, in fact, God, or whether the Son was created.  You might notice the title I gave the sainted Emperor. I am an Orthodox Christian, and we, unlike Roman Catholics, have him in our calendar of saints.  Christianity only later became the state religion of the Empire during the reign of St. Theodosius the Emperor.  However, Roman Catholicism was founded in the 11th century when the Latin Papacy separated itself from the Church, which until that point included the five Patriarchates based within the bounds of the Roman Empire at its largest extent, the Church of Cyprus, and an autocephalous Bulgarian Church -- the Russian Church was still part of the Patriarchate of Constantinple at that point -- and set up on its own, claiming authority for the Pope of Rome that was denied by earlier Popes (St. Gregory the Dialogist explicitly rejected the notion of a patriarch with universal jurisdiction) and which would make nonsense of some of the canons of the ancient church had it been held when they were promulgated.)

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