Natural Immunity More Protective Over Time Than COVID-19 Vaccination: Study

[Hoodat]

Natural Immunity More Protective Over Time Than COVID-19 Vaccination: Study

Zachary Stieber  |  December 10, 2021

Immunity people enjoy after recovering from COVID-19 is better than the protection bestowed from vaccination, according to a new study from Israel.

Researchers analyzing data from the county’s health database from August to September found both COVID-19 infections and severe disease were higher among the vaccinated than those who recovered from the illness, also known as people with natural immunity.

For instance, the naturally immune had a 10.5 per 100,000 infection rate four to six months following their recovery, versus a 69.2 per 100,000 rate among the vaccinated.

The number of severe cases was also higher among the vaccinated: 0.9 percent of all cases among that group were severe, compared with 0.5 percent of cases among the recovered.  .  .  .

https://www.theepochtimes.com/natural-immunity-more-protective-over-time-than-covid-19-vaccination-study_4149953.html


This study affirms the results of the previous study done in August.  It is scientifically proven that naturally-generated immunity provides better protection than the jabs.  Yet our governments continue to ignore the science.

[DB]

And young healthy people could achieve natural immunity with little risk and be done with it if the government "experts" would get the hell out of the way.

[jmyrlefuller]

And young healthy people could achieve natural immunity with little risk and be done with it if the government "experts" would get the hell out of the way.

Yet you go to any public health department in this country and the penalty for a positive PCR test is still an automatic two weeks of house arrest for you and everyone in your household—as if that's going to do squat to stop the spread at this point.

[libertybele]

Plain and simple.  The vaccines lower immunity. Building up your natural immunity is the sensible way to go. 

Wearing a mask is senseless. Washing your hands or using hand sanitizer is logical.  Probiotics, prebiotics, extra zinc, Vitamin D, and Vitamin C. help to build immunity. Peppermint, ginger, and chamomile are anti virals, curcumin, turmeric, aloe vera, and quercetin are anti inflammatories, and anti oxidants.

[libertybele]

And young healthy people could achieve natural immunity with little risk and be done with it if the government "experts" would get the hell out of the way.

Amen, but I believe that those who are older and at risk can also build up their immunity and achieve natural immunity instead of getting the jab.

[LegalAmerican]

Amen, but I believe that those who are older and at risk can also build up their immunity and achieve natural immunity instead of getting the jab.

TRUE.   

[Cyber Liberty]

I don't know if I can say "DUH!" loudly enough.

[Kamaji]

This is all very true, but it does require that one get COVID-19 in the first place in order to develop that natural immunity, and that is where the problems come in.

For young people without any comorbidities, it is probably better, on average, to get COVID-19 (particularly the more recent variants) and use a therapeutic to minimize the risks of a serious/lethal case.

For those with serious comorbidities, or for the elderly, it becomes a harder case to make, and, in my view, really becomes one of personal preference.

[Hoodat]

For young people without any comorbidities, it is probably better, on average, to get COVID-19 (particularly the more recent variants) and use a therapeutic to minimize the risks of a serious/lethal case.

As I said in the beginning, we should have intentionally infected everyone under 18 in order to create an immune buffer for everyone else.

[Kamaji]

As I said in the beginning, we should have intentionally infected everyone under 18 in order to create an immune buffer for everyone else.

At the very least, we should have looked the other way when twenty-somethings were having covid parties.

[LegalAmerican]

This is all very true, but it does require that one get COVID-19 in the first place in order to develop that natural immunity, and that is where the problems come in.

For young people without any comorbidities, it is probably better, on average, to get COVID-19 (particularly the more recent variants) and use a therapeutic to minimize the risks of a serious/lethal case.

For those with serious comorbidities, or for the elderly, it becomes a harder case to make, and, in my view, really becomes one of personal preference.

Yup. Had it twice, about 2 months apart in early 2020.   Very mild, both times.  Low fever, that was it. Elderly, already HAD most of the virus out there. Their immune systems got a lot of practice.

[Kamaji]

Yup. Had it twice, about 2 months apart in early 2020.   Very mild, both times.  Low fever, that was it. Elderly, already HAD most of the virus out there. Their immune systems got a lot of practice.

If that were always the case, then nursing homes would have had the lowest mortality rates from COVID-19.  They did not.

Being elderly is a risk-enhancing characteristic with COVID-19, as it is for most illnesses.

[LegalAmerican]

If that were always the case, then nursing homes would have had the lowest mortality rates from COVID-19.  They did not.

Being elderly is a risk-enhancing characteristic with COVID-19, as it is for most illnesses.

I knew you would respond!  lol. Listen, we are NOT getting all the truth about covid.  Those elderly in nursing homes, already have ONE foot out the door. 

[libertybele]

If that were always the case, then nursing homes would have had the lowest mortality rates from COVID-19.  They did not.

Being elderly is a risk-enhancing characteristic with COVID-19, as it is for most illnesses.

Yes, being elderly puts one at risk. However, think of the nursing home setting; people who are ill closed in together and who knows if 'sterile technique' is adhered to by the staff?? Most nursing homes wreak of urine or some kind of stench.  If they were kept clean you wouldn't notice that smell.

A few years ago in looking at assisted living facilities for my FIL, some were horrific and I wouldn't want to keep my dog in the facility.  Those are the types of facilities however, that are covered by Medicaid. From my understanding they are state/govt run, so how well do you really think that people who are elderly, fragile, with cognitive decline, etc., are truly being taken care of?  How many are given drugs and procedures that aren't really needed; but the facility can bill the govt.  In turn that scenario weakens an already fragile immune system.

IMO some of the responsibility of deaths lie upon the nursing home facilities and staff.
 
Wasn't it NY that allowed COVID patients to return to their same areas within the facility??  That was a recipe for COVID death.

[Cyber Liberty]

New York delivered a one-two punch to the old folks.  Not only did they force recovering (and contagious) patients into the nursing homes, they also banned any testing of these patients upon re-intake!  Didn't want the sick patients stigmatized like AIDS patients.

[Kamaji]

I knew you would respond!  lol. Listen, we are NOT getting all the truth about covid.  Those elderly in nursing homes, already have ONE foot out the door. 

Irrelevant.  You made a categorical statement that is categorically wrong.

If your statement was correct, then the elderly, having been exposed to more illnesses during their lifetimes than, say, children, would be much, much healthier than your average preteen, who has only been exposed to illnesses for 10 years or so, but that is not the case.  Not with covid, and not with almost any other disease.

Being exposed to illnesses, in and of itself, does not give one a super-duper immune system that is categorically better with age.

[LegalAmerican]

Irrelevant.  You made a categorical statement that is categorically wrong.

If your statement was correct, then the elderly, having been exposed to more illnesses during their lifetimes than, say, children, would be much, much healthier than your average preteen, who has only been exposed to illnesses for 10 years or so, but that is not the case.  Not with covid, and not with almost any other disease.

Being exposed to illnesses, in and of itself, does not give one a super-duper immune system that is categorically better with age.

You MADE the statement." If that were always the case."  Everyone knows it is NOT.  I never claimed that. One more time, we are NOT getting the whole truth about covid. Nursing home patients, already are on deaths door. 
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Quote from: Kamaji on Today at 08:12:30 pm

If that were always the case, then nursing homes would have had the lowest mortality rates from COVID-19.  They did not.

Being elderly is a risk-enhancing characteristic with COVID-19, as it is for most illnesses.

[LegalAmerican]

Yes, being elderly puts one at risk. However, think of the nursing home setting; people who are ill closed in together and who knows if 'sterile technique' is adhered to by the staff?? Most nursing homes wreak of urine or some kind of stench.  If they were kept clean you wouldn't notice that smell.

A few years ago in looking at assisted living facilities for my FIL, some were horrific and I wouldn't want to keep my dog in the facility.  Those are the types of facilities however, that are covered by Medicaid. From my understanding they are state/govt run, so how well do you really think that people who are elderly, fragile, with cognitive decline, etc., are truly being taken care of?  How many are given drugs and procedures that aren't really needed; but the facility can bill the govt.  In turn that scenario weakens an already fragile immune system.


IMO some of the responsibility of deaths lie upon the nursing home facilities and staff.
 
Wasn't it NY that allowed COVID patients to return to their same areas within the facility??  That was a recipe for COVID death.

 

[Kamaji]

You MADE the statement." If that were always the case."  Everyone knows it is NOT.  I never claimed that. One more time, we are NOT getting the whole truth about covid. Nursing home patients, already are on deaths door. 
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Quote from: Kamaji on Today at 08:12:30 pm

If that were always the case, then nursing homes would have had the lowest mortality rates from COVID-19.  They did not.

Being elderly is a risk-enhancing characteristic with COVID-19, as it is for most illnesses.

No, dearest, you did.  Go back and read your own posts.