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'Sickening Betrayal': Youngkin's Position on Vaccine Mandates in Virginia Enrages Conservatives
Leah Barkoukis

Posted: Nov 18, 2021 8:15 AM


Virginia Governor-elect Glenn Youngkin is setting himself apart from other Republican governors who have taken a hardline stance against vaccine mandates in their states. Instead, Youngkin, who is against vaccine mandates at the state level, said he will not block local governments from pushing their own Covid-19 health precautions, including vaccine mandates.

“Localities are going to have to make decisions the way the law works and that is going to be up to individual decisions but, again, from the governor’s office, you won’t see mandates from me,” Youngkin said in a recent interview, according to local media.

While it’s a reversal of outgoing Gov. Ralph Northam's position, who implemented a vaccine-or-test mandate for state employees, it does not go as far as Texas Gov. Greg Abbott or Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, both of whom have issued executive orders barring local governments from being able to issue vaccine requirements.

Youngkin has been supportive of Covid-19 vaccines, noting during a September debate that he is vaccinated and his family is as well.

“It’s the best way for people to keep themselves safe,” he argued. “And I, in fact, have asked everyone in Virginia to please get the vaccine. But I don't think we should mandate it.”

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What did you expect?  He's just another RINO.

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Respecting the authority of local government is not a betrayal of conservative principle.
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Respecting the authority of local government is not a betrayal of conservative principle.

I was sort of thinking along those lines myself.  Letting each individual community decide what they want to do for themselves is generally a step in the correct direction.

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Respecting the authority of local government is not a betrayal of conservative principle.
While part of me prefers a reversal from the top down because I believe the vaccine mandates are unconstitutional, I cant argue with sending decisions to the localities. At least each will be under more pressure to be more receptive to their citizens and those of nearby districts.

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While part of me prefers a reversal from the top down because I believe the vaccine mandates are unconstitutional, I cant argue with sending decisions to the localities. At least each will be under more pressure to be more receptive to their citizens and those of nearby districts.

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Respecting the authority of local government is not a betrayal of conservative principle.

Even when the local government is run by Communists?
Let it burn.

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Even when the local government is run by Communists?

So long as a local government is legitimately elected and operating with respect to the US and state constitutions, it answers only to the local voters; what that local government does is no one else's business, not ours and not their governor's.
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Respecting the authority of local government is not a betrayal of conservative principle.
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Intuitive and correct assertion.
The Wise Ancients identified the Family Unit of Father, Mother and Children
as the creators of Culture and Society; the bedrock core of Civilization.
As such Authority @ Responsibility within governance is derived from the
bottom up and EMPHATICALLY NOT from the top down!!!
The essence of Conservatism is Principle, as advocates such as Burke, Hume,
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Ghost sighed:
"Even when the local government is run by Communists?"

And HoustonSam retorted:
"So long as a local government is legitimately elected and operating with respect to the US and state constitutions, it answers only to the local voters; what that local government does is no one else's business, not ours and not their governor's."

OK, Sam, I'm gonna hit you on that one and hit you hard.
How about if the local population voted and elected National Socialists to run the government?
Would that be ok with you, too?

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Respecting the authority of local government is not a betrayal of conservative principle.

Where in the constitution or the bill of rights does it state that the serfs must obey?
Then you must be ok with LGBQxyz shutting down businesses because the business does not offer their requested services?
Those that did NOT vote for socialism have rights also...
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Ghost sighed:
"Even when the local government is run by Communists?"

And HoustonSam retorted:
"So long as a local government is legitimately elected and operating with respect to the US and state constitutions, it answers only to the local voters; what that local government does is no one else's business, not ours and not their governor's."

OK, Sam, I'm gonna hit you on that one and hit you hard.
How about if the local population voted and elected National Socialists to run the government?
Would that be ok with you, too?

Of course not.  But my option is simply to not go there.  The residents of Smalltown USA are under no obligation to vote for people I approve, any more than I am under obligation to vote for people in my local government that Californians or New Yorkers might approve.  Those residents are obligated to conduct fair elections and to operate their local government within the constraints of the US and State constitutions and whatever local charters also apply.  So long as they do those things they don't owe me one instant of concern for how they choose to govern their own localities or for who they elect to act in their name.

Kshama Sawant is an elected member of the Seattle city council.  She is a member of a party called Socialist Alternative, which bills itself as a Trotskyist party and argues that capitalism is incapable of meeting the needs of the majority of people.  I'm pretty sure we both reject that ideology; it's about as close to communism as one can get short of openly identifying as a communist.  Is it "OK" with you that she was elected?  Do you think you have some authority to constrain her representation of her constituents or remove her from office because she is a communist in all but name?

David Duke was elected to the Louisiana House of Representatives and ran for US Senate from Louisiana and for Governor of Louisiana in the early 1990s.  Did anyone other than the voters of his State House district and his state have the authority to remove him from office because of his KKK and American Nazi party associations?

I don't respect or approve of the electoral choices of millions of people throughout the US; I want nothing to do with people who continually return Ds to office and I seriously doubt the country can hold together so long as millions continue to do so.  But those people don't need my approval to govern themselves as they wish.  It might ultimately lead to a national break up, but they still don't require my approval, any more than I require theirs.

And unless their state constitutions and local charters say otherwise, they don't require the approval of their governors to decide for themselves on their own local health policies.

Is there some part of "consent of the governed" that you don't understand?
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Of course not.  But my option is simply to not go there.  The residents of Smalltown USA are under no obligation to vote for people I approve, any more than I am under obligation to vote for people in my local government that Californians or New Yorkers might approve.  Those residents are obligated to conduct fair elections and to operate their local government within the constraints of the US and State constitutions and whatever local charters also apply.  So long as they do those things they don't owe me one instant of concern for how they choose to govern their own localities or for who they elect to act in their name.

Kshama Sawant is an elected member of the Seattle city council.  She is a member of a party called Socialist Alternative, which bills itself as a Trotskyist party and argues that capitalism is incapable of meeting the needs of the majority of people.  I'm pretty sure we both reject that ideology; it's about as close to communism as one can get short of openly identifying as a communist.  Is it "OK" with you that she was elected?  Do you think you have some authority to constrain her representation of her constituents or remove her from office because she is a communist in all but name?

David Duke was elected to the Louisiana House of Representatives and ran for US Senate from Louisiana and for Governor of Louisiana in the early 1990s.  Did anyone other than the voters of his State House district and his state have the authority to remove him from office because of his KKK and American Nazi party associations?

I don't respect or approve of the electoral choices of millions of people throughout the US; I want nothing to do with people who continually return Ds to office and I seriously doubt the country can hold together so long as millions continue to do so.  But those people don't need my approval to govern themselves as they wish.  It might ultimately lead to a national break up, but they still don't require my approval, any more than I require theirs.

And unless their state constitutions and local charters say otherwise, they don't require the approval of their governors to decide for themselves on their own local health policies.

Is there some part of "consent of the governed" that you don't understand?


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Even when the local government is run by Communists?

 :thumbsup:   He was wanted to COUNTER this....not support it! 


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Where in the constitution or the bill of rights does it state that the serfs must obey?
Then you must be ok with LGBQxyz shutting down businesses because the business does not offer their requested services?
Those that did NOT vote for socialism have rights also...

Thank you.  Some just love to hear themselves talk!   (Not talking about you.). OVER EDUCATED IDIOTS. 

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And unless their state constitutions and local charters say otherwise, they don't require the approval of their governors to decide for themselves on their own local health policies.

Local govts yes, but I balk a little at schools. I question their right to independently set health policies that don't match or with or go beyond the city or county in which they reside.

Not sure they should have that kind of autonomy beyond educating kids.
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Local govts yes, but I balk a little at schools. I question their right to independently set health policies that don't match or with or go beyond the city or county in which they reside.

Not sure they should have that kind of autonomy beyond educating kids.

Whatever degree of autonomy schools and school boards have must be determined by state constitutions and local charters.  I agree with you that health policies they might set ought to agree with other administrations of local government.
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Where in the constitution or the bill of rights does it state that the serfs must obey?
Then you must be ok with LGBQxyz shutting down businesses because the business does not offer their requested services?
Those that did NOT vote for socialism have rights also...

Your response is incoherent.  This has nothing to do with Christian-owned businesses being sued by homosexuals.

The question is whether the governor of a state should issue mandates about public health, or should defer to local authority.  It is not unconservative or socialism or serfdom for the governor to defer to local authority.
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Your response is incoherent.  This has nothing to do with Christian-owned businesses being sued by homosexuals.

The question is whether the governor of a state should issue mandates about public health, or should defer to local authority.  It is not unconservative or socialism or serfdom for the governor to defer to local authority.

No the question is, does the constitution supersede mob rule....
The phrase "support and defend the constitution of the United States and the State of Virginia" is supposed to mean something no matter the president, congressrat, governor....

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No the question is, does the constitution supersede mob rule....
The phrase "support and defend the constitution of the United States and the State of Virginia" is supposed to mean something no matter the president, congressrat, governor....

The Governor-elect of VA simply said that he would leave local decisions up to local officials; those local officials can be replaced through local elections if the local people don't like the local decisions.  But somehow you think that is mob rule?

So help me understand your position here - elected local government is mob rule?  Do I have that correct? Did any of the county sheriffs up there ever resist anything done by McAuliffe?  Was that mob rule?
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The Governor-elect of VA simply said that he would leave local decisions up to local officials; those local officials can be replaced through local elections if the local people don't like the local decisions.  But somehow you think that is mob rule?

So help me understand your position here - elected local government is mob rule?  Do I have that correct? Did any of the county sheriffs up there ever resist anything done by McAuliffe?  Was that mob rule?
I never bought into this whole "mandate" thing the media pushed for decades.  Elected officials have no more authority to violate the constitution than the police or you and I, no matter whether they win by 1 vote or get 100% of the vote.  Simply abdicating the governors responsibility and tossing it over the fence with a "you voted for it" is not the answer.  Now if you are talking about things like which road to repair first, then yes, majority rules, but the "majority/mob" cannot force you to buy insurance you don't want.... force you to buy electric vehicles and cannot take away your possessions (firearms) when you have violated no law. 

I am obviously in the minority in NOVA but my rights to give my kids a safe and viable education are at risk and if it is legal for those that are responsible to comply/enforce/defend the laws/rule/constitution of the united states then why vote?

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I never bought into this whole "mandate" thing the media pushed for decades.  Elected officials have no more authority to violate the constitution than the police or you and I, no matter whether they win by 1 vote or get 100% of the vote.  Simply abdicating the governors responsibility and tossing it over the fence with a "you voted for it" is not the answer.  Now if you are talking about things like which road to repair first, then yes, majority rules, but the "majority/mob" cannot force you to buy insurance you don't want.... force you to buy electric vehicles and cannot take away your possessions (firearms) when you have violated no law. 

I am obviously in the minority in NOVA but my rights to give my kids a safe and viable education are at risk and if it is legal for those that are responsible to comply/enforce/defend the laws/rule/constitution of the united states then why vote?

So I think your argument is about government authority at any level to order wearing masks, not about whether it's state or local authority.

OK that's a different issue and I did not fully understand where you were coming from.  Apologies.

I don't know what the state constitution of Virginia says about public health regulations so can't speak to the real legality of "mandates" to wear masks in Virginia.  Generally I'm opposed to government orders that people should wear masks, but in government buildings (including school buildings) I think a case can be made for government having that authority.  Not on any private premises however IMO, although the owner of the premises can require it, again IMO.

To the extent that there is government authority to require wearing masks, I think that authority should be strictly local.

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So I think your argument is about government authority at any level to order wearing masks, not about whether it's state or local authority.

OK that's a different issue and I did not fully understand where you were coming from.  Apologies.

I don't know what the state constitution of Virginia says about public health regulations so can't speak to the real legality of "mandates" to wear masks in Virginia.  Generally I'm opposed to government orders that people should wear masks, but in government buildings (including school buildings) I think a case can be made for government having that authority.  Not on any private premises however IMO, although the owner of the premises can require it, again IMO.

To the extent that there is government authority to require wearing masks, I think that authority should be strictly local.

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The mask thing is annoying but am very concerned about the vaccine...
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