Whoopi Goldberg: If Rioters Found Mike Pence, They Would Have ‘Hung Him’

[GtHawk]

Who was leading the way?
BLM/ANTIFAs and cops were in the forefront. The whole window breaking style reeked of Portland. Legitimate protesters pulled those guys back from the windows. THey were there to make their voices heard, not in the Left's style of breaking things and burning and looting, but to be heard. The police opened the door. If all of the footage was released, I have little doubt that some coordination between FBI plants, BLM/ANTIFA types, and the police guarding the Capitol could be found. One got video of Ashli Babbit getting shot (Sullivan) who later claimed to be a journalist, likely in hopes of keeping the money he made selling the footage to alphabet news. Yes, some people got duped and followed that vanguard in, even ran with it, but the tender attention of the Feds had extended to people who remained outside in the street, so it isn't about rioting or breaking in, it is about people who are not of the Left protesting and making their voices heard.

As for attacks, spray people, hit them with gas rounds, and they are going to advance or disperse. No better way to agitate a peaceful crowd than to attack them. But that footage won't be released by the Feds any time soon.

Meh, he's a one note samba and it's a sad little song he's trying to sell here but no one is buying.

[skeeter]

Who was leading the way?
BLM/ANTIFAs and cops were in the forefront. The whole window breaking style reeked of Portland. Legitimate protesters pulled those guys back from the windows. THey were there to make their voices heard, not in the Left's style of breaking things and burning and looting, but to be heard. The police opened the door. If all of the footage was released, I have little doubt that some coordination between FBI plants, BLM/ANTIFA types, and the police guarding the Capitol could be found. One got video of Ashli Babbit getting shot (Sullivan) who later claimed to be a journalist, likely in hopes of keeping the money he made selling the footage to alphabet news. Yes, some people got duped and followed that vanguard in, even ran with it, but the tender attention of the Feds had extended to people who remained outside in the street, so it isn't about rioting or breaking in, it is about people who are not of the Left protesting and making their voices heard.

As for attacks, spray people, hit them with gas rounds, and they are going to advance or disperse. No better way to agitate a peaceful crowd than to attack them. But that footage won't be released by the Feds any time soon.

trump supporters built a bogus gallows? Outrage!

Mall cops shoot an unarmed 115 lb woman? Yawn.

[Slide Rule]

If the "rioters" would've found Mike Pence they would've taken selfies with him.

No doubt.

[Smokin Joe]

Gotta love the way the Left projects their intent on everyone else.

[Doug1943]

I do not believe that we can yet say with certainty -- if we ever will -- that the 6 January 'riot' was instigated by agents provocateurs.

But .. whether it was or not, the sincere patriots who took part in it need to be (1) severely admonished, because what they did was a HUGE gift to the Left, and (2) defended, because they -- or most of them -- are our own, regardless of the bonehead stunt they let themselves be suckered into.

Most importantly, we need to learn a lesson from these events: all of our future demonstrations, rallies, marches, need to be marshalled by trained stewards ... something like the service d'ordre groups in France.  If we had had ten or twenty thousand men in Washington last year, organized into such a force, surrounding the demonstrators ... we could have dealt with any provocateurs or hotheads. 

The nuclei of these groups need to be started now, at the local level, as community defense teams. There are already people doing this.  This is what the ThreePercenters and Oathkeepers should have been doing, but the national leaderships of these groups were not equal to the tasks before them.

It's being done in some places, such as in Arizona, where former Oathkeepers have formed Community Defense Teams.  We need to emulate them everywhere.

[skeeter]

I do not believe that we can yet say with certainty -- if we ever will -- that the 6 January 'riot' was instigated by agents provocateurs.

But .. whether it was or not, the sincere patriots who took part in it need to be (1) severely admonished, because what they did was a HUGE gift to the Left, and (2) defended, because they -- or most of them -- are our own, regardless of the bonehead stunt they let themselves be suckered into.

Most importantly, we need to learn a lesson from these events: all of our future demonstrations, rallies, marches, need to be marshalled by trained stewards ... something like the service d'ordre groups in France.  If we had had ten or twenty thousand men in Washington last year, organized into such a force, surrounding the demonstrators ... we could have dealt with any provocateurs or hotheads. 

The nuclei of these groups need to be started now, at the local level, as community defense teams. There are already people doing this.  This is what the ThreePercenters and Oathkeepers should have been doing, but the national leaderships of these groups were not equal to the tasks before them.

It's being done in some places, such as in Arizona, where former Oathkeepers have formed Community Defense Teams.  We need to emulate them everywhere.

This is the first time I've heard of something like this suggested, which on its face is an excellent idea. Demonstrations are a critical aspect of self government and we cannot allow ourselves to be intimidated to the point we avoid them. Which is the state's goal here - THEY want to control public demonstrations and do not intend to allow any political opponent the same right.

Welcome to TBR.

[dfwgator]

I do not believe that we can yet say with certainty -- if we ever will -- that the 6 January 'riot' was instigated by agents provocateurs.

But .. whether it was or not, the sincere patriots who took part in it need to be (1) severely admonished, because what they did was a HUGE gift to the Left, and (2) defended, because they -- or most of them -- are our own, regardless of the bonehead stunt they let themselves be suckered into.

Most importantly, we need to learn a lesson from these events: all of our future demonstrations, rallies, marches, need to be marshalled by trained stewards ... something like the service d'ordre groups in France.  If we had had ten or twenty thousand men in Washington last year, organized into such a force, surrounding the demonstrators ... we could have dealt with any provocateurs or hotheads. 

The nuclei of these groups need to be started now, at the local level, as community defense teams. There are already people doing this.  This is what the ThreePercenters and Oathkeepers should have been doing, but the national leaderships of these groups were not equal to the tasks before them.

It's being done in some places, such as in Arizona, where former Oathkeepers have formed Community Defense Teams.  We need to emulate them everywhere.

I believe there were several agent provocateurs strategically planted amongst that crowd.

[Doug1943]

Yes, I think it's likely that there were. Maybe from more than one source. I've seen the Revolver articles featuring Stuart Rhodes of the OK's, and a fellow from Arizona, proposing that they were acting for the FBI. For those interested, they are here: [   https://warroom.org/2021/11/13/special-report-darren-beattie-exposes-role-of-ray-epps-and-fbi-in-jan-6/
https://warroom.org/2021/10/25/meet-ray-epps-the-fed-protected-provocateur-who-appears-to-have-led-the-very-first-1-6-attack-on-the-u-s-capitol/
https://warroom.org/2021/10/25/fed-protected-ray-epps-is-key-figure-in-jan-6/
https://www.revolver.news/2021/06/stewart-rhodes-oath-keepers-missing-link-fbi-unindicted-co-conspirator/
https://www.revolver.news/2021/09/january-6th-commission-oath-keeper-stewart-rhodes-bennie-thompson/ ]

But it's also quite possible that some of the more sophisticated people among the hard Left (AntiFa and others) sought an opportunity to discredit us, and found it.  We have to keep reminding ourselves that we are effectively at war, with people who do NOT think of us as fellow Americans with whom they have serious disagreements -- but rather with people who despise real Americans -- those that love their country -- and seek to destroy us.

And having your own people inside the enemy's groups would be one of the first things you would do, if you were serious.  We know that they have penetrated local militia groups in various parts of the country in the past.  So I think that from now on, we should take for granted that any effective patriotic group  that has an open recruitment policy, will get targetted.

The only defense against this -- besides discrete vetting -- is NOT TO SAY OR WRITE ANYTHING THAT CAN BE TWISTED BY THE MSM AND/OR A PROSECUTING ATTORNEY INTO A PORTRAYAL OF US AS PEOPLE SEEKING TO USE VIOLENCE AGAINST OUR OPPONENTS. 

I have seen far too many angry patriots write things about how our enemies must be "eradicated" or "exterminated", how "traitors must be hung", etc.  A bad idea.

We are at war.  We have to act like soldiers, and think tactically.

If your platoon is set-in in an ambush position, and you see the enemy point man coming down the trail, you don't just unload on him.  You wait for the command to fire (or the event, like triggering the Claymores or firing the machine gun). That will be decided by the person in command, when he thinks the maximum number of the enemy are in the kill zone.

That's how we have to think (in the political, not military, sense).  We saw how the lice of the mainstream media slandered Kyle Rittenhouse ... the most naive, Boy Scout-like young patriot you will ever find.  Imagine if he had, in a moment of anger, written something on Facebook or Twitter or in a forum like this one, about how "traitors must be wiped out" -- we would have heard it repeated fifty thousand times. A day.

So ... we must expect  infiltrators in local patriot groups. Some commonsense low-key security measures can make it difficult for them to accumulate personal information about others in the group. (Everything on a first-name basis, no records kept on digital media.)  But we must also watch what we say. Some of these people are trained in how to walk right up to the legal definition of 'entrapment', but not go over.  (Sometimes they do go over it, as they did with some eccentrics a decade ago: [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutaree ] ... but even there, you are gambling that you will get an honest judge.)

Wary as serpents, gentle as doves.  Legal and peaceful. But nobody's fools.

[skeeter]

I believe there were several agent provocateurs strategically planted amongst that crowd.

There are several videos out there with Trump folks there on the spot calling the ones breaking windows and doors "Antifa" etc. In some cases attempting to stop them.

[Hoodat]

@Doug1943

Where the hell have you been for the past 14 months?

[Doug1943]

To Hoodat, asking "Where the hell have you been for the past 14 months?"

Spending a lot of time online ... mainly on militia or quasi-militia websites, then involved with a quasi-militia organization that lasted about a year and then collapsed, because its leader had taken on too much.

Trying  to argue that, yes, we need to prepare for possible terrible, dramatic developments in our country; that Mao was right when he noted that poltical power  (all power really) comes from the barrel of a gun; that we are not yet at the point where peaceful and legal options have been exhausted, not by a long shot; and that we have to be very careful about how we use language -- things said, in half-anger, half-jest may, when read out to an unsmiling jury, get us into big trouble.  And that there are a fair number of grifters out there taking advantage of the patriot 'market' -- starting junk news websites and buying legitimate ones, with the sole aim of making money.

Anyway, for my troubles I got banned from a couple of militia sites, tried to help build a quasi-militia group which then crashed (as mentioned). 

So now I'm back on various patriotic forums, preaching the same message: 'Prep', for sure, but also organize your community.  Don't say stupid things. Choose cool-headed people for your local group leaders, preferably pessimistic and  cynical old combat veterans, advised by someone with good legal knowledge. Above all, no 'leaders' who need to demonstrate their manhood. (Which is why having women in the leadership is a good idea. Although, of course, they are the deadlier of the two sexes and may need to be restrained from being too cruel in real warfare. See Kipling's The Female of the Species.  [  https://www.poetry.com/poem/33429/the-female-of-the-species  ])

Don't go down the  'ethnic nationalist' road -- stay with 'civic nationalism', and -- in the spirit of the Salvation Army ('Why should the Devil have all the best tunes?'), work to be ... inclusive.  If your group, after a year, is still all white Anglo males, you're doing something wrong.

 (How I hate what the Left has done to our language.  [Old Russian joke: a few years after the Bolshevik seizure of power, two elderly peasants from a very isolated region visit Moscow ...the first time they have been out of their village. They go to the zoo.  They stop in front of the cage with the giraffes, and stare in wonder at these animals, whose existence they had never known about. Finally one shakes his head sadly, and says, "Just look, Pavel ... what the Bolsheviks have done to our horses!"] The Left has done that to our language. I can't see the phrase 'diversity and inclusion' now without wanting to vomit.)

Be prepared to wage 'sub-lethal warfare' if the riots start up again. That is, defend our marches and rallies and communities, but keep firearms hidden away as a last resort, to be used only if the enemy fires first, and law enforcement is overwhelmed or -- under Democrat control -- withdrawn. And every group must have one member who knows upside down and backwards the  law, including the actual enforcement of it in practice, governing 'deadly force. Many patriots are under serious illusions about things like "citizens' arrests". Three good men in Georgia are going to prison for a long time because they didn't understand this.

Before then, be equipped with helmets, shields, soft body armor, visors against bear spray, signs which can double as shields, and come to where the action is in well-organized groups, which have trained beforehand for these situations ... and know how to absorb bear spray and thrown objects, and how to reply in kind. With a chain of command, discipline, and auxiliary support teams: legal, PR, comms, medical, transport, logistics and intel.   

The French know how to do this: their unions and mass political parties have groups called the service d'ordre, which provide security at their marches and rallies.

This means there are one or more people sitting at telephones somewhere else, with your people having their phone numbers to report injuries or arrests. All your people also have the phone number of a lawyer on retainer, and know what to do if they are arrested, or injured.

Have an intel team posted at good observation spots. Maybe even mixing with the enemy, although this is tricky. 

Lots more to say here about how to attend a demonstration and act in a professional way, so that you avoid getting ambushed, getting your cars sabotaged or even photographed, so that you can relieve yourself during a long demonstration, and also have something to eat.  Arrival and exit are co ordinated.

Knowing the weather forecast so that you aren't caught out if it rains. So that late arrivals can find your command team (a tall pole with an American flag and distinct top ornament so that it can be seen from a long way away). Maps with non-standard grid-coordinates so that your intel people can report events at locations, without eavesdroppers knowing where they're talking about. Telephones, but also Baofengs so that you're not dependent on the phone network.

Plans B and C ... 'if this happens, we will do that'. Regroupment points if people get scattered due to a riot, a bomb, whatever. 

But 'first, do no harm'. And the 'harm' will come if you get an infiltrator who will try to sucker you into conspiring to commit a felony, or appearing to. Or a hothead who will do that work for free.

Anyway, that's me and what I've been doing.

We live in interesting times. How I wish we didn't.