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White House weighing steps to address gas shortages
« on: October 13, 2021, 11:48:58 pm »
White House weighing steps to address gas shortages
By Morgan Chalfant - 10/13/21 03:15 PM EDT

The White House is discussing options to address fuel and natural gas shortages that have driven prices higher, White House press secretary Jen Psaki told reporters Wednesday.

“The president has asked his economic team, as they do on any range of issues impacting the public, to continue to discuss what the options are that we can take to address these shortages,” Psaki said at an afternoon briefing.

Psaki noted that there is a natural gas shortage worldwide and said there are a “range” of options for the Biden administration to explore to help address the issue, but she declined to specify what options are currently being discussed.


“I’m not in a position yet to outline additional steps we can take,” she said.

Bloomberg News reported that Biden administration officials including Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm, Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack met Tuesday night to discuss rising fuel and natural gas prices.

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Re: White House weighing steps to address gas shortages
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2021, 11:54:24 pm »
History has proven that they can't do shit to lower gas prices.  Release the strategic reserves... Fail.    Lower the gas tax (like Biden would ever do that lol) Fail.
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Re: White House weighing steps to address gas shortages
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2021, 12:06:32 am »
Is one of those options put back in place the Trump administration policies the Biden administration cancelled? 'Cause gas supplies & prices were fine a year ago.


Of course such questions do not interest The Hill.
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Re: White House weighing steps to address gas shortages
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2021, 01:47:19 am »
Is one of those options put back in place the Trump administration policies the Biden administration cancelled? 'Cause gas supplies & prices were fine a year ago.


Of course such questions do not interest The Hill.
That would make sense so no that isn't even an option for the DCP.

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Re: White House weighing steps to address gas shortages
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2021, 02:24:50 am »
Another huge spending bill to subsidize the gas and oil industry to keep prices down no doubt..

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Re: White House weighing steps to address gas shortages
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2021, 07:47:03 am »
Just remember who pushed to ban fraccing, shut down pipelines, and stop drilling on BLM* land, offshore, and in ANWR. (*That's Bureau of Land Management, not that other bunch).
After the War on Coal, (even clean coal fired power plants) during the Obama administration shifted power generation to using Natural Gas, demand was up, fed by plentiful supplies from the horizontal drilling/hydraulic fracturing revolution that made previously non economic oil and gas in unconventional reservoirs into major producers. That was the driving force behind turning the US into an energy exporter, and something the Democrats and Green New Deal people have been waging war against for decades.

Because the Federal Government owns over half of the land west of the Mississippi, some of that oil drilling takes place on Federal Land, and because the Federal Government has claimed the ocean bottom and the resources on under and above it, inevitably a lot of that drilling takes place on Federal Land or on Federally owned tracts offshore. Those leases (the lease for the rights to drill and produce oil and or natural gas) are auctioned off by the government, for which the government gets paid by the oil companies. and part of that lease agreement is that the Federal Government gets paid a royalty on any oil or gas produced, just as private mineral rights owners get paid (and the various government entities get a cut of that, too).

So I am curious, what are these subsidies of which you speak?

And unfortunately, people get all muddled up discussing "Gas" prices.

Natural Gas is mostly Methane, the stuff that lights stoves, fuels furnaces, and has replaced Coal as the fuel that fires electrical generation plants because it burns more cleanly (so the government declared carbon dioxide a pollutant). It is usually a byproduct of oil production, although there are wells which have been drilled in areas which target Natural Gas production, where thermal maturity in the reservoir is high enough that Natural Gas is the dominant fluid, or in areas more conducive to producing Natural Gas for other reasons. An awful lot of people rely on Natural Gas as their primary home heating fuel, and that is especially common in the Northern Plains, where winters are often worse than parts of Alaska.
Gasoline (the other "Gas") is a motor fuel, refined from crude oil, and the price of it is up, too.

Despite a few folks using an unusually large amount of fuel delivering everything from soup to nuts to others during COVID last year, people working from home, not going out, and generally living like hermits behind masks reduced the demand for motor fuels considerably, not just in the US but worldwide. Demand for oil and distilled/refined products dropped, so severely that oil prices went negative over contracts maturing and there being no place for the oil to go. Trump stopped the unprecedented price slide (where if you had room to put 10,000 barrels of oil people would pay you $50/barrel to take the oil off their hands) by opening the Strategic Petroleum Reserve for storage of oil, for an in-kind fee for storage, effectively putting American oil in the SPR for free (something no other president has done).
The effect crashed oil prices, which in turn brought drilling operations nearly to a halt, which affects sectors of the economy like a huge ripple effect.
Ninety percent of the oil drilling industry shut down overnight. It's just getting going again, a year and a half later.
When an oil well goes into production, there is an initial production period which is generally fairly high, and as the oil and natural gas are produced, production declines. For some wells, that curve is a fairly steady slope, a straight line. For most horizontal wells, after the well is hydraulically fractured, the the initial production begins high and tapers off fairly rapidly during the first couple years to a more stable production level, usually about 20% of the initial production. If new wells aren't brought on line, the production capacity lost to that initial depletion period isn't replaced. That makes for a decline in overall production.

Oil companies don't set the prices for the oil produced, that is set by bid in the commodities markets. Those bids depend on the availability of crude oil, the demand for refined products, and speculation. Supply is down, demand is up (with COVID restrictions easing) as people use more oil in the refined forms of gasoline and diesel fuel. That dynamic is not back to normal, any more than everyday life is for most. But this administration has done all it can to stop normal oil and gas drilling and exploration, and you can see the effects of that and the COVID lockdowns at the gas pump, in the price of natural gas (the home heating/cooking and electrical power generation fuel, not gasoline), and in the economies of areas where the oil and gas industry is a significant driver.

Do everything in your power to create a problem, and then claim to have the solution. It's how Democrats roll.

Look for them to follow Venezuela and try to "Nationalize" the Oil and Gas industry now.
 It has been a Democrat wet dream for a long time.


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Re: White House weighing steps to address gas shortages
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2021, 04:56:58 pm »
Just remember who pushed to ban fraccing, shut down pipelines, and stop drilling on BLM* land, offshore, and in ANWR. (*That's Bureau of Land Management, not that other bunch).
After the War on Coal, (even clean coal fired power plants) during the Obama administration shifted power generation to using Natural Gas, demand was up, fed by plentiful supplies from the horizontal drilling/hydraulic fracturing revolution that made previously non economic oil and gas in unconventional reservoirs into major producers. That was the driving force behind turning the US into an energy exporter, and something the Democrats and Green New Deal people have been waging war against for decades.

Because the Federal Government owns over half of the land west of the Mississippi, some of that oil drilling takes place on Federal Land, and because the Federal Government has claimed the ocean bottom and the resources on under and above it, inevitably a lot of that drilling takes place on Federal Land or on Federally owned tracts offshore. Those leases (the lease for the rights to drill and produce oil and or natural gas) are auctioned off by the government, for which the government gets paid by the oil companies. and part of that lease agreement is that the Federal Government gets paid a royalty on any oil or gas produced, just as private mineral rights owners get paid (and the various government entities get a cut of that, too).

So I am curious, what are these subsidies of which you speak?

And unfortunately, people get all muddled up discussing "Gas" prices.

Natural Gas is mostly Methane, the stuff that lights stoves, fuels furnaces, and has replaced Coal as the fuel that fires electrical generation plants because it burns more cleanly (so the government declared carbon dioxide a pollutant). It is usually a byproduct of oil production, although there are wells which have been drilled in areas which target Natural Gas production, where thermal maturity in the reservoir is high enough that Natural Gas is the dominant fluid, or in areas more conducive to producing Natural Gas for other reasons. An awful lot of people rely on Natural Gas as their primary home heating fuel, and that is especially common in the Northern Plains, where winters are often worse than parts of Alaska.
Gasoline (the other "Gas") is a motor fuel, refined from crude oil, and the price of it is up, too.

Despite a few folks using an unusually large amount of fuel delivering everything from soup to nuts to others during COVID last year, people working from home, not going out, and generally living like hermits behind masks reduced the demand for motor fuels considerably, not just in the US but worldwide. Demand for oil and distilled/refined products dropped, so severely that oil prices went negative over contracts maturing and there being no place for the oil to go. Trump stopped the unprecedented price slide (where if you had room to put 10,000 barrels of oil people would pay you $50/barrel to take the oil off their hands) by opening the Strategic Petroleum Reserve for storage of oil, for an in-kind fee for storage, effectively putting American oil in the SPR for free (something no other president has done).
The effect crashed oil prices, which in turn brought drilling operations nearly to a halt, which affects sectors of the economy like a huge ripple effect.
Ninety percent of the oil drilling industry shut down overnight. It's just getting going again, a year and a half later.
When an oil well goes into production, there is an initial production period which is generally fairly high, and as the oil and natural gas are produced, production declines. For some wells, that curve is a fairly steady slope, a straight line. For most horizontal wells, after the well is hydraulically fractured, the the initial production begins high and tapers off fairly rapidly during the first couple years to a more stable production level, usually about 20% of the initial production. If new wells aren't brought on line, the production capacity lost to that initial depletion period isn't replaced. That makes for a decline in overall production.

Oil companies don't set the prices for the oil produced, that is set by bid in the commodities markets. Those bids depend on the availability of crude oil, the demand for refined products, and speculation. Supply is down, demand is up (with COVID restrictions easing) as people use more oil in the refined forms of gasoline and diesel fuel. That dynamic is not back to normal, any more than everyday life is for most. But this administration has done all it can to stop normal oil and gas drilling and exploration, and you can see the effects of that and the COVID lockdowns at the gas pump, in the price of natural gas (the home heating/cooking and electrical power generation fuel, not gasoline), and in the economies of areas where the oil and gas industry is a significant driver.

Do everything in your power to create a problem, and then claim to have the solution. It's how Democrats roll.

Look for them to follow Venezuela and try to "Nationalize" the Oil and Gas industry now.
 It has been a Democrat wet dream for a long time.
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« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2021, 05:00:12 pm »
I guarantee one law we will see to 'alleviate' the shortages, but in actually does nothing.

To bring back the subsidy on fuel oil for the Northeast, which relies heavily on fuel oil to heat homes.

The Dems must protect those who support them, eh?
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« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2021, 05:22:45 pm »

You gotta be fracking kidding me.

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« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2021, 05:25:14 pm »
How do you lower gas prices?
Ramp up domestic production to the point that OPEC decides to undercut us and drive our domestic producers out of business.
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« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2021, 07:18:35 pm »
Another huge spending bill to subsidize the gas and oil industry to keep prices down no doubt..

Which would also fail.  It's like "solving" the labor problem by increasing Unemployment checks and making them last years instead of weeks.
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« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2021, 08:29:41 pm »
History has shown, AND NOT VERY LONG AGO, that Trump opened by drilling and started an oil pipeline that had energy prices dropping like a rock.  Socialist fascist Biden slammed the brakes on Trumps successes in lowering energy prices and started the climb back up. and we all know it!  Shut down oil fields and pipe lines.
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« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2021, 11:26:04 pm »
10 months ago the US was energy independent and was exporting energy. Thanks to Traitor Joe we are energy dependent on foreign countries again.

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« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2021, 11:44:02 pm »
Maybe if we used plate numbers and set up something were you could buy gas on odd or even days?

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« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2021, 12:23:25 pm »
I suspect gas shortages are precisely the intention of this administration. Otherwise, people might actually drive their cars and - the horror! - contribute to global warming climate change.

Mission accomplished, in other words.
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« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2021, 12:33:18 pm »
I suspect gas shortages are precisely the intention of this administration. Otherwise, people might actually drive their cars and - the horror! - contribute to global warming climate change.

Mission accomplished, in other words.
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« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2021, 02:20:11 pm »
I suspect gas shortages are precisely the intention of this administration. Otherwise, people might actually drive their cars and - the horror! - contribute to global warming climate change.

Mission accomplished, in other words.
This is Natural Gas, not Gasoline. Natural Gas is one of the fractions of wellhead gas from oil and gas wells and is mostly Methane, used primarily for electrical generation and as a heating/cooking fuel.  What this means is that most everyone living in the Nrothern Plains will be paying more for heat this winter.
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Re: White House weighing steps to address gas shortages
« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2021, 03:43:10 pm »
This is Natural Gas, not Gasoline. Natural Gas is one of the fractions of wellhead gas from oil and gas wells and is mostly Methane, used primarily for electrical generation and as a heating/cooking fuel.  What this means is that most everyone living in the Nrothern Plains will be paying more for heat this winter.
I'm sitting on a vast natural gas source, here in the Marcellus region. With only a small fraction of natural gas, coal or oil resources being extracted these days, thanks to Biden restrictions, I suspect a lot of people will either pay more this winter or freeze to death.
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« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2021, 09:04:58 pm »
I'm sitting on a vast natural gas source, here in the Marcellus region. With only a small fraction of natural gas, coal or oil resources being extracted these days, thanks to Biden restrictions, I suspect a lot of people will either pay more this winter or freeze to death.
We produce quite a bit here, too, as a byproduct of oil production in the Bakken and Three Forks Formations.

It isn't as if America doesn't have the demonstrated know-how and proven resources, if the Government would get out of the way.
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« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2021, 09:11:48 pm »
We produce quite a bit here, too, as a byproduct of oil production in the Bakken and Three Forks Formations.

It isn't as if America doesn't have the demonstrated know-how and proven resources, if the Government would get out of the way.

Permian basin is still viable.

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« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2021, 08:35:28 pm »
Permian basin is still viable.
New Mexico is busy, too.

It isn't that we can't do this, if we can just get the jerks in DC out of our way.
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Re: White House weighing steps to address gas shortages
« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2021, 09:10:11 pm »
New Mexico is busy, too.

It isn't that we can't do this, if we can just get the jerks in DC out of our way.

It's amazing what happens when Crude hits $80/bbl.
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« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2021, 10:46:55 pm »
Coming soon:
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« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2021, 10:55:52 pm »
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« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2021, 11:01:56 pm »
How can energy prices be lowered?  Trump showed how, abundantly and easily.  How do you raise energy prices?  Biden has shown how to quicly hike energy prices like Madura did in Venezuela.  Remember democrats considered Venezuelas fall into great poverty a great indicator of how great Madura is!  The White house is studying how to rape the nation like Venezuela did to their own people, and yet escape the consequences of doing such to an entire Country.  As massively as Biden is raping America, he doesn't want credit for it!  Can't anybody help Biden get away with raping 330 million people without consequences?
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