Manchin clashes with fellow Democrats over fossil-fuel demands

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Manchin clashes with fellow Democrats over fossil-fuel demands
By Alexander Bolton - 10/03/21 07:56 PM EDT

Centrist Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) is insisting that natural gas be allowed to have a central role in President Biden’s clean energy agenda, which puts him on a collision course with Democratic lawmakers who worry he will have the power to water down what they see as a once-in-a-generation opportunity to address climate change.

Manchin, the chairman of the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee, is pushing to have sole jurisdiction in the Senate over the $150 billion Clean Electricity Performance Program, which would provide grants to utilities that increase their share of clean energy sources.

He is flexing his muscle by calling for natural gas to be part of Biden’s clean energy solution even though the House Energy and Commerce Committee specifically excluded natural gas from the clean energy program by defining clean electricity as having a carbon intensity of less than 0.10 metric tons of carbon dioxide per megawatt-hour.

Asked by The Hill on Thursday whether he would insist on natural gas being part of Biden’s clean energy standard, Manchin said “it has to be.”

“I’m all for all of the above, I’m all for clean energy but I’m also for producing the amount of energy that we need to make sure that we have reliability and I’m concerned about that,” he said.

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https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/574977-manchin-clashes-with-fellow-democrats-over-fossil-fuel-demands

[Hoodat]

One would think that a Senator representing West Virginia would be pushing for coal.

[bilo]

One would think that a Senator representing West Virginia would be pushing for coal.

My thoughts exactly.

I'm still waiting for someone to stand up and tell these fear mongers that they are idiots. Mankind does better when the climate is warming and we suffer terribly when the climate is cooling. Carbon dioxide is our friend, it's plant food. When carbon dioxide is higher the growing season is more abundant and drought is reduced.

As far as coal is concerned, we should be thankful that at least China is burning as much of it as they can get because all the carbon dioxide buried in the coal is being released into the atmosphere.

[ironhorsedriver]

There is quit a bit of natural gas coming out of WV also. I have a well on my property. They are all over the place here in SW WV.

[mountaineer]

One would think that a Senator representing West Virginia would be pushing for coal.

He should, but natural gas is huge in the state, as well.

[Hoodat]

@mountaineer  @ironhorsedriver

Do either of you live near Matewan?

[mountaineer]

Do either of you live near Matewan?

@Hoodat  Nope. That's way south of me. Not too far from where my parents were from, though.

[Hoodat]

@Hoodat  Nope. That's way south of me. Not too far from where my parents were from, though.

@mountaineer

Have you ever seen the movie?  Matewan?  John Sayles wrote and directed.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093509/

[mountaineer]

No, I haven't.

[Hoodat]

No, I haven't.

Here ya go.

[mountaineer]

I have to admit, I get so tired of the pro-union people in WV glorifying the union struggles of the past that left innocent people dead. One such event happened in my northern WV county in 1922, where a mob of coal miners ambushed and slaughtered the county sheriff. Folks around here still act like the miners were such heroes. I beg to differ.

[Hoodat]

When the police chief's last name is 'Hatfield', expect a lot of people to get killed.

[christian]

As China, deeply favored by democrats, rapes the environment building dams the enviro-nazis won't allow America to have, using massive amounts of petro-chemicals that are evil for AMERICA TO US. Environmentally Raping the land mercilessly like Tibet, and without any criticism from the enviro-nazis that chased those polluting jobs and prosperity to China where raping the Earth is well accepted and loved  to be violated and yet praised by the enviro-nazis.  How shameful America even has nukes, how wonderful China proliferates them!  The blinder wearing of manipulated fools is all over this.
 

[Fishrrman]

If you watch Matewan, listen for the singing of the great Hazel Dickens.

As Ron Thomason of the Dry Branch Fire Squad once said:
..."the world's greatest woman and the most feminist broad I know..."

[Hoodat]

If you watch Matewan, listen for the singing of the great Hazel Dickens.

As Ron Thomason of the Dry Branch Fire Squad once said:
..."the world's greatest woman and the most feminist broad I know..."

The total budget for the movie was $4 million.  Very frugal considering the cast.  John Sayles played one of the characters, just as he did in Brother From Another Planet.  Sayles is a leftist, but I enjoy his movies.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

One would think that a Senator representing West Virginia would be pushing for coal.

West Virginia has a tremendous amount of natural gas, with the Marcellus Shale, the largest gas province ever discovered in this country, being within its boundaries.


Note the amount underlying New York state, which bans all fraccing so has no development or production.

[mountaineer]

I live within the Marcellus region. Gas production has been a godsend to people who couldn't otherwise keep their family farms going. Extraction is not without drawbacks, but NY is shooting itself in the foot.

[Hoodat]

Note the amount underlying New York state, which bans all fraccing so has no development or production.

Pennsylvania is drinking New York's milk shake.

[christian]

Democrats decide by politics who can have and who cannot.  Democrat socialists love our enemies and hate Americans, esp white Americans and Christians.  It makes it all so much easier to understand, eh?  Oil dams nuclear and Coal for them, cheap energy, wind electricity for us, and its high undependability.  The people of Texas got a good lesson in wind generation last winter.

[DefiantMassRINO]

What are the Dems' plans to deal with all the economic dislocation caused by the Green New Deal?

Will we be allowed to cut down trees for firewood when Natural Gas and Home Heating Oil are banned or too expensive to afford?

... I'm sure their answer is a government heat subsidy.  Their answer is always more government.

America could have a global energy competitive advantage if the Greenies would just get out of the way.  This would make America more economically competitive globally.  Instead of PPE being stuck in shipping containers off Long Beach, it could be made in America by Americans.

[ironhorsedriver]

@mountaineer  @ironhorsedriver

Do either of you live near Matewan?

I'm about an hour away. I live in Wayne County, about 50 minutes south of Huntington.

[ironhorsedriver]

@mountaineer

Have you ever seen the movie?  Matewan?  John Sayles wrote and directed.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093509/

The movie was actually filmed in Thurmond, WV. Matewan itself had grown up to much to look the part.

[Smokin Joe]

There is quit a bit of natural gas coming out of WV also. I have a well on my property. They are all over the place here in SW WV.

The Marcellus and Utica Shales are major Natural Gas Sources. There are quite a few oil wells in the State also.



http://wvstatemuseumed.wv.gov/images/Oil_and_Gas_Wells_in_WV.png

[mountaineer]

The Marcellus and Utica Shales are major Natural Gas Sources. There are quite a few oil wells in the State also.

I can attest to the Marcellus sites. The operation about a mile and a half from our house keeps me awake some nights!

[Fishrrman]

ironhorsedriver wrote:
"I live in Wayne County, about 50 minutes south of Huntington."

Are your horses "thoroughbreds", or just old gray [and blue] mares...?