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Project Veritas on Monday dropped another bombshell.

Three Pfizer scientists told Project Veritas undercover journalists that natural antibodies are a better protection against Covid than the vaccine.

Nick Karl, a Pfizer scientist said natural Covid antibodies are probably better than the Covid vaccine in Project Veritas’ part 4 of their ExposeCovidVax series.

“When somebody is naturally immune — like they got COVID — they probably have more antibodies against the virus…When you actually get the virus, you’re going to start producing antibodies against multiple pieces of the virus…So, your antibodies are probably better at that point than the [COVID] vaccination,” Nick Karl said.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/10/breaking-project-veritas-pfizer-scientists-covid-antibodies-probably-better-pfizer-vaccination-video/
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Discrete Immune Response Signature to SARS-CoV-2 mRNA Vaccination Versus Infection

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3838993

and

Differential effects of the second SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccine dose on T cell immunity in naïve and COVID-19 recovered individuals

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3838993

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Undercover Video: Pfizer Scientists Say Natural Immunity Is Superior and Big Pharma Is Suppressing Info for Money
By Megan Fox Oct 05, 2021 12:09 PM ET

James O’Keefe and Project Veritas has struck again and this time, it looks like undercover honey pots took some Pfizer nerds out for dinner and got them talking about stuff The Man doesn’t want you to know—specifically, that natural immunity is better than the COVID vaccine. Duh. We all know this. But the Ministry of Truth is trying to bury knowledge we’ve all had since birth and pretend that none of our grandparents knew how to treat a respiratory virus.

Project Veritas’s new undercover video exposes Pfizer scientists admitting what we all already know. Get ready for this one. It’s illuminating. (I can’t be the only one who feels a little bad for these lab geeks who think they’re out on a date with a pretty girl. They’re never going to trust women again. And I hope they don’t get fired. They seem like decent dudes.)

Nick Karl, a biochemist at Pfizer, said, “When somebody is naturally immune— like they got COVID— they probably have…more antibodies against the virus because what the vaccine is…that protein is just on the outside.” He continued explaining, “It’s just one antibody against one specific part of the virus. When you actually get the virus you’ll start producing antibodies against multiple pieces of virus, not only the outside portion but the inside portion, the actual virus so your antibodies are probably better at that point than the vaccination.”

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Undercover Video: Pfizer Scientists Say Natural Immunity Is Superior and Big Pharma Is Suppressing Info for Money
By Megan Fox Oct 05, 2021 12:09 PM ET

James O’Keefe and Project Veritas has struck again and this time, it looks like undercover honey pots took some Pfizer nerds out for dinner and got them talking about stuff The Man doesn’t want you to know—specifically, that natural immunity is better than the COVID vaccine. Duh. We all know this. But the Ministry of Truth is trying to bury knowledge we’ve all had since birth and pretend that none of our grandparents knew how to treat a respiratory virus.

Project Veritas’s new undercover video exposes Pfizer scientists admitting what we all already know. Get ready for this one. It’s illuminating. (I can’t be the only one who feels a little bad for these lab geeks who think they’re out on a date with a pretty girl. They’re never going to trust women again. And I hope they don’t get fired. They seem like decent dudes.)

Nick Karl, a biochemist at Pfizer, said, “When somebody is naturally immune— like they got COVID— they probably have…more antibodies against the virus because what the vaccine is…that protein is just on the outside.” He continued explaining, “It’s just one antibody against one specific part of the virus. When you actually get the virus you’ll start producing antibodies against multiple pieces of virus, not only the outside portion but the inside portion, the actual virus so your antibodies are probably better at that point than the vaccination.”

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https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/megan-fox/2021/10/05/undercover-video-pfizer-scientists-say-natural-immunity-is-superior-and-big-pharma-is-suppressing-info-for-money-n1521768

The antibodies from the vaccines used in the US attack the spike that is necessary to invading cells in order to reproduce. Spike ineffective, individual viruses can't reproduce, and the spike proteins have been relatively stable parts of the virus.

OTOH, there are two vaccines used in much of the world outside the US, those from Sinovac and Sinopharm. Those have performed horribly against variants that were not in circulation when the vaccines were designed. So reality is that the traditional inactivated/dead virus vaccines are inferior to the vaccines that target the spike protein.

From another thread in which this PV "revelation" was brought up:

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BREAKING: @Pfizer Scientists: ‘Your [COVID] Antibodies are Probably Better than the [Pfizer] Vaccination’ 1.

"We’re Like Bred And Taught to be Like “Vaccine is Safer Than Actually Getting Covid.” 2.

“Our Organization is Run on Covid Money Now” 3.

1. That's possible, but: we don't know enough to claim that confidently; unpleasant, hospitalized, and cases ending in death are far more common than the .00#% of serious complications that may be due to one of the vaccines plus side effects lasting multiple days.

2. The hospitalization rate for Covid, prior to vaccines, was in the neighborhood of 4%. The rate of serious complications that may be due to one of the vaccines is > or >>.01%. So phrase that statement as luridly as you like, it is true, by 2-3 orders of magnitude.

3. Pfizer's 2020 revenue, i.e. pre-Covid-vaccine, was almost $42 billion. Vaccine revenue is not insignificant in 2021, but that comment clearly is hyperbole. But why demonize revenue from the sale of a product? Isn't that what capitalism is?
If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"? Is reality a Big Pharma Shill?

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Nick Karl is correct.  The mRNA vaccines target the spike protein, and it is against this specific protein that vaccinated people develop antibodies.  It just so happens that the spike protein has been the Achilles Heel of Covid-19/SARS2.  The mRNA vaccine response is akin to a cruise missile.

I'm sure the body's response to an actual infection is far different that the response from the vaccine.  The body probably produces a greater variety of anti-bodies (aka more antibodies), but not all of them will hold up nor offer protection against variants.  The infection response is akin to V-2 rocket.

That's the genius of the mRNA vaccines - they target specific proteins, which is why they don't contain live nor dead virus.

The mRNA vaccine immune response blunts the mechanism the virus uses to cleave open cells with the ACE2 receptor and to infect them.  The mRNA vaccines block the key used by the virus to open our cells and insert itself.

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Nick Karl is correct.  The mRNA vaccines target the spike protein, and it is against this specific protein that vaccinated people develop antibodies.  It just so happens that the spike protein has been the Achilles Heel of Covid-19/SARS2.  The mRNA vaccine response is akin to a cruise missile.

I'm sure the body's response to an actual infection is far different that the response from the vaccine.  The body probably produces a greater variety of anti-bodies (aka more antibodies), but not all of them will hold up nor offer protection against variants.  The infection response is akin to V-2 rocket.

That's the genius of the mRNA vaccines - they target specific proteins, which is why they don't contain live nor dead virus.

The mRNA vaccine immune response blunts the mechanism the virus uses to cleave open cells with the ACE2 receptor and to infect them.  The mRNA vaccines block the key used by the virus to open our cells and insert itself.

The only problem with that is that mutations of that spike protein have already produced a host of variants.

Natural antibodies target different parts of the virus also, ones which are less prone to variation. For this reason, the papers linked in response 1 on this thread found that the broader based natural immunity was superior to the vaccines. The immune system has more points to attack, rather than just the spike protein.

As far the virus goes, this genie is out of the bottle. It mutates rapidly and effectively against targeting the spike protein. I firmly believe this bug will be with humanity for a long time, but the focus should be on treatment, not an endless series of vaccines and boosters that are narrow in their ability to target variants.
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