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Biden Administration Pushes Congress to Require Banks to Turn Account Info Over to IRS

John Carney 17 Sep 2021

The Biden administration is pressuring lawmakers to enact a controverisal plan requiring banks to turn over to the Internal Revenue Service detailed information about inflows and outflows of almost all American bank accounts.

Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen and IRS Commissioner Charles Rettig sent letters to lawmakers this week asking Congress to include in tax hike legislation a requirement that banks report annual transaction data on accounts with $600 or more or that have $600 worth of transaction over the year, the Wall Street Journal reported.

The result would be the collection of detailed data about the bank transactions of tens of millions of everyday Americans.

The aim is to help the I.R.S. collect taxes from individuals and businesses on unreported income and to create more leads for audits.

The Biden administration claims the additional information would result in the IRS collecing an additional  $460 billion over a decade. The administration wants to use this additional revenue to offset some of the new spending for expanded government social policies and green new deal schemes Congress is currently considering.

The proposal did not make it into the list of tax change proposals put together by House Democrats. The Wall Street Journal reported that absence is a sign that the proposal lacked support among Democratic lawmakers.

Financial institutions say it would impose a costly compliance burden that would be especially difficult to manage for smaller banks and credit unions. Critics have also said that the IRS lacks the ability to rationally analyze the enormous amount of data it would receive.

Critics of the proposal also warn that the proposal would create a centralized database of nearly all Americans’ bank accounts, loans, and investment accounts—a likely target for hackers and spies. The risks of such a database were highlighted last year when the leftwing investigative journalism website Pro Publica said it had “obtained a vast trove of Internal Revenue Service data on the tax returns of thousands of the nation’s wealthiest people, covering more than 15 years.”  If this proposal had been in place at the time, Pro Public might also have data on bank credits and debits.

In her letter, Yellen argues that tax compliance is much higher when people know that the IRS has data on their income. In other words, even if the IRS cannot effectively analyze the data, just the fact that it has it might persuade Americans to report income that might have gone unreported.

“Wage and salary income is reported to the IRS on W-2 reports, and tax obligations are automatically withheld, so compliance rates stand at 99 percent,” Yellen wrote. “It is clear that when taxpayers know that this information exchange exists, their voluntary compliance rises.”

Banks and other financial firms already report interest, dividend, and investment income to the IRS. Wages get reported to the IRS and the Social Security Administration.

The IRS can summon bank account information during audits but taxpayers can fight these requests by showing they are for an illegitimate purpose or irrelevant to the inquiry.

Yellen claims in her letter that although the IRS would receive bank information on Americans of all incomes, the proposal is aimed at collecting more taxes from the wealthy. Lower income Americans would benefit, according to Yellen, because they would allegedly be at lower risk of an audit.

https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2021/09/17/biden-administration-pushes-congress-to-require-banks-to-turn-account-info-over-to-irs/
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The more I think about this the more concerned I am....
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The result would be the collection of detailed data about the bank transactions of tens of millions of everyday Americans.
2A Comes to mind... who is buying, how many and location.....
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The IRS can summon bank account information during audits but taxpayers can fight these requests by showing they are for an illegitimate purpose or irrelevant to the inquiry.
To prevent a taxpayer from fighting the audit, they can sized your account and make you fight to get it back, even if you did nothing wrong...
The IRS cannot possibly responsibly process that much information accurately...

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The more I think about this the more concerned I am....2A Comes to mind... who is buying, how many and location.....To prevent a taxpayer from fighting the audit, they can sized your account and make you fight to get it back, even if you did nothing wrong...
The IRS cannot possibly responsibly process that much information accurately...

The IRS has many full-time lawyers and a never-ending supply of money! You and I have neither!
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The "conservatives" over at Bulwark are now arguing in favor of giving the IRS access to all of our bank accounts. Amazing.
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“What the Democrats want is give the IRS more knowledge about where and how money flows…In opposing this, Republicans claim they are standing up for privacy and for people who don’t yet have bank accounts…but they are really covering for tax cheats.”
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The Fight Over How to Close the ‘Tax Gap’
Giving the IRS the tools it needs to catch tax evaders.
by Jim Swift
September 17, 2021 6:11 am

Republicans and Democrats used to have very different views on taxes. It wasn’t that long ago that Republicans tended to want lower and fewer taxes while Democrats tended to want more taxes, or at least higher taxes in certain circumstances.

Democrats haven’t really changed their tune on taxes, but with the rise of the anti-Big Tech right, some in the GOP have. “Key Republicans,” reported Axios this summer, “are warming to an idea that was once anathema to the party—leveling taxes on big American companies to pay for internet subsidy programs.” Republicans at the state level have been moving even faster.

One tax issue Democrats and Republicans have never agreed upon is the so-called “tax gap”—the difference between what taxes are actually paid and what the IRS estimates it should collect.  ...
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Is this even Constitutional? Are the only people entitled to privacy DCP politicians?

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How much like Obama, Biden rules.   Get control of people records of money, then swoop in and empty all the accounts.
Just like Hitlers gun registration, get them all registered than swoop in and the populace are as helpless as a herd of sheep, ready for the final solutions!  and people really are too blind to see history repeating itself right in front of them.  Same tactics, same tyrannical mentality and contempt for the populace.
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Would this apply to credit unions, as well...?

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Why is the government entitled to any of this information? What right to they have to it?

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Would this apply to credit unions, as well...?
The 10K rule did. I had a business account at one and was warned by the folks there.
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Why is the government entitled to any of this information? What right to they have to it?
Supposedly, it is to "fight the war on drugs". As for right to it, I would think this should fall under the 4th Amendment. They claim a right to know how much we make because of the 16th Amendment, but beyond that, it should be none of their business what we do with our money.
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Supposedly, it is to "fight the war on drugs". As for right to it, I would think this should fall under the 4th Amendment. They claim a right to know how much we make because of the 16th Amendment, but beyond that, it should be none of their business what we do with our money.
That's my point. Anyone with a $15 an hour job will make $600 a week. We are completely bypassing socialism and are diving head first into complete communism and people just can't see it.

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That's my point. Anyone with a $15 an hour job will make $600 a week. We are completely bypassing socialism and are diving head first into complete communism and people just can't see it.
I know people who accumulate their tips rather than make "frequent small cash deposits" which would have been on the IRS radar (as if drug dealers keep their money in the bank at that level). The question becomes one of whether they make more smaller deposits, or or just the one big one into the account each month so they can pay their bills. Either way, they are screwed. Especially with all the people hiding behind COVID out there, paying the bill in cash is just not an option sometimes, and rents here are above the $600 limit.
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The fact that the dimocrats have had their sites on 401K's and IRAs goes back to the early days of the Obama Admiinistration.  Having eyes on every account >$600 makes that task that much easier when the confiscation begins.  It is the socilaists dream to take that $6.9T dollars, confiscate it, combine it with existing SS, and divy it out as a new and "fair" retirement annuity  for all.
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The fact that the dimocrats have had their sites on 401K's and IRAs goes back to the early days of the Obama Admiinistration.  Having eyes on every account >$600 makes that task that much easier when the confiscation begins.  It is the socilaists dream to take that $6.9T dollars, confiscate it, combine it with existing SS, and divy it out as a new and "fair" retirement annuity  for all.
No doubt their "fairness"won't include that I have been paying into SS for 50 years...
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No doubt their "fairness"won't include that I have been paying into SS for 50 years...

Fairness doesn't mean beans to these wealth redistribution monkeys. I really feels sorry for those under 59 1/2 who will be boxed into this new Ponzi scheme.  And us over 59 1/2 will have to take huge distributions at Pedo Joe et'al's "fair" tax brackets. 

All that we've paid previously?  That will be considered a minimal base and probably leveled to every annuitant.
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Has it occurred to anybody that Biden will make any substantial settlement with insurance companies null and void.  In every large case, the insurance company money will go directly to the government ? Who would waste their money on buying insurance ?  All large money matters, the government will be the victim (receiver) and the real victims will be abandoned, like in Afghanistan!  The utopian nightmare ever darkens! ever nearer.
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Has it occurred to anybody that Biden will make any substantial settlement with insurance companies null and void.  In every large case, the insurance company money will go directly to the government ? Who would waste their money on buying insurance ?  All large money matters, the government will be the victim (receiver) and the real victims will be abandoned, like in Afghanistan!  The utopian nightmare ever darkens! ever nearer.
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Critics of the proposal also warn that the proposal would create a centralized database of nearly all Americans’ bank accounts, loans, and investment accounts—a likely target for hackers and spies. The risks of such a database were highlighted last year when the leftwing investigative journalism website Pro Publica said it had “obtained a vast trove of Internal Revenue Service data on the tax returns of thousands of the nation’s wealthiest people, covering more than 15 years.”  If this proposal had been in place at the time, Pro Public might also have data on bank credits and debits.
After over two years, DOJ is charging one man with stealing and leaking thousands of tax records to NYT and ProPublica.

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The Biden administration claims the additional information would result in the IRS collecing an additional  $460 billion over a decade.

Or $46B a year, which the FedGov burns thru in about what, 3 or 4 days?

How freakin' stupid do they think we are? They want to control every dollar we spend, and everything we have ever spent it for.
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How freakin' stupid do they think we are? They want to control every dollar we spend, and everything we have ever spent it for.
Thus the push for digital currency.
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Biden Administration Pushes Congress to Require Banks to Turn Account Info Over to IRS

John Carney 17 Sep 2021

The Biden administration is pressuring lawmakers to enact a controverisal plan requiring banks to turn over to the Internal Revenue Service detailed information about inflows and outflows of almost all American bank accounts.

 

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Gee,THAT ought to work well with absolutely NO government theft/seizure of your funds due to political differences.

Not to mention no fines or back taxes declared that you have to prove you don't owe.

Politicians and their families will be exempt,of course.
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The IRS has many full-time lawyers and a never-ending supply of money! You and I have neither!

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Not to mention the FACT that you  are automatically  presumed to be guilty,and they can seize your bank accounts while the case is on-going.

Which,of course,means that if you are NOT a tax attorney  or have one on retainer,you will have no defense.

Gee,what could possibly go wrong with  a  plan like that? You don't think the professional political classes would use it in order to help create the police state of their wet dreams,do you?

After all,if you are found guilty and fined,you won't have any  money  to  hire a lawyer to appeal the ruling,so everything you  own will be seized and sold  by the government to  government employees to pay off the fines. Which,of course will NEVER get paid in full,so you will for all intents and purposes be a slave of the IRS/Government.

Funny how that works out,huh? Ifn ya didn't no no betta,ya mite think dat was de plan al aolongue,huh?
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Would this apply to credit unions, as well...?

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Why wouldn't it?

Credit Unions are nothing but banks  with  a different name. The goal  is ABSOLUTE control over cash flow and who it flows to. You don't REALLY think they would let them slide,do you?
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That's my point. Anyone with a $15 an hour job will make $600 a week. We are completely bypassing socialism and are diving head first into complete communism and people just can't see it.

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Oh,we see it,alright.

The problem is in this Brave New World of Total Government Control,we are powerless to do anything  about it because it is the VERY SAME PEOPLE WE ELECT TO PROTECT US FROM THINGS LIKE THIS THAT ARE DOING IT TO US.
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