Two Unexpected Signs Of A Coming Conservative Ascendency

[Bigun]

That's right. And that unity will be found in Principled Conservatism - The only Conservatism there is.

I'm a constitutionalist.  Pure and simple.

[Absalom]

I agree @Absalom.  A conservatism that is only material is no Conservatism, just as I have argued on this board in the past that a conservatism that is only political is no Conservatism.  Fundamentally Conservatism is about ordered liberty built on respect for God and acknowledgement of man's weaknesses.
And the reality is, in my opinion, the American people are not conservative, they just like some of the outcomes of conservative policies, so American "conservatives" have tried to sequentially trim back and pare off the parts that are less popular.  For the most part American "conservatives" are just trying to "conserve" what liberals accomplished 25 years ago.
There might be a recoil from the latest absurdities of progressive orthodoxy, but I doubt there will be any conservative "resurgence."

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Agreed, so consider the bedrock Conservative Precept that the Family Unit is the foundation stone of culture/society.
This concept is multi-thousands of years old, was the Model for Rule by Monarchy and was not derived from any religion.
Derivative of this, is the judgement that behavior which harms the Family Unit (abortion, homosexuality ...) is condemned.
Yet we read posters, who assert they are conservatives, arguing that our rights gives us the freedom to choose our life
style and its no one else's business how we behave behind our closed doors.
Reality is these types are no more conservative than George Bush was!

[roamer_1]

I'm a constitutionalist.  Pure and simple.

Nothing wrong with that providing you watch out for your brethren in other factions.

Ain't no skin off your nose to vote for a Constitutionalist that is also a fiscal conservative, that has military service, and supports Judeo-Christian values.That is the essence of Reagan.

[Right_in_Virginia]

That's right. And that unity will be found in Principled Conservatism - The only Conservatism there is.

American politics, especially national politics, is not about liberalism or conservatism; never has been.  It is -- always -- about elite verus plebian (the average working citizen).

And thanks to their overreach and overbearing policies that have insulted every single plebian on multiple levels, the elites would be looking  at an ass-kicking  - if not for their perfected voter fraud  - which no elite truly wants to end.

Study: Democrat Party Becomes Elitist While Trump Shapes GOP into 2022 Workers Party
Breitbart, Sep 8, 2021

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/09/08/study-democrat-party-becomes-elitist-trump-shapes-gop-2022-workers-party/

[roamer_1]

American politics, especially national politics, is not about liberalism or conservatism; never has been.  It is -- always -- about elite verus plebian (the average working citizen).

While that may seem true in the saying, the doing denies it. Yes I would agree to a political sort of elitism as it exists, but if one dissects it to the principles they stand upon, most certainly the argument is intensely and exactly Conservatism vs Liberalism (actually socialist/communist)

And thanks to their overreach and overbearing policies that have insulted every single plebian on multiple levels, the elites would be looking  at an ass-kicking  - if not for their perfected voter fraud  - which no elite truly wants to end.

Big words with little behind them, as without the will for the long fight you will not even begin to remove them from power. That will comes from certain undeniable truths, principled things to stand upon. All else erodes long before it is of any real use. That is my primary argument against the sort of populism that the 'right' (notice the quotes) is so easily suckered by...

The only thing that can bring it all into check are principle things.... Integrity informed by the Judeo-Christian Ethic demands fair play and doing the right thing.... Cede that and we are where we are right now. Demand it again and things will truly begin to change. Fiscal conservatism cuts the throat of big government. Without it, there will be no gain, as the overweening power is driven by money. Cede fiscal sanity and it can do nothing but grow in power, regardless of whomever you might put faith in at the helm. These are just a couple glaringly obvious examples.

And nothing will change without returning to those root principles of successful life, and it matters not a whit however else one might define it. Reality intrudes.

And you DO know that elite party and worker party are socialist terms, right?

[HoustonSam]

American politics, especially national politics, is not about liberalism or conservatism; never has been.  It is -- always -- about elite verus plebian (the average working citizen).

And thanks to their overreach and overbearing policies that have insulted every single plebian on multiple levels, the elites would be looking  at an ass-kicking  - if not for their perfected voter fraud  - which no elite truly wants to end.

Politics defined by class interest is fundamentally a Marxist interpretation.  If you actually believe this @Right_in_Virginia then you are a Marxist.  While Trump did a fine job appealing to the working class, his "America First" theme was about basic patriotism, not the interests of one class versus another.

[Right_in_Virginia]

"It's the economy, stupid" is one of the few things BJ Clinton got right.  What makes the American economy different from socialism and marxism is ---when it works as envisioned --- citizens are free to financially advance at their leisure and will.  When the economy is effed up, the American plebian will revolt, with gusto and affect.  Our elites used to understand this.  Now, their power is reinforced by the globals and the plebs are losing, really losing, because their actual votes are no longer required.

War is the other influencer of national elections.  When, after a generation, the economy is firing on all cylinders and peace appears to be breaking out,  the majority of the American pleb will vote to protect and prolong both.  The American elite will manufacture crisis, disrupt civility, pit pleb against pleb, luxuriate in ridicule, lies and mean tweets and shrug off systemic voter fraud and the installation of an unelected government.

This is where we are in 2021.  The outline below shows how we are divided in 2021.  We need one group.  Pick our best shot and approach them without uttering the word "conservative" --- it is toxic, and conservatives have no one but themselves to blame.

The Elites

* Global wealth holders
* Global administrative support state
* Politicians of all stripes
* Media
* Useful idiots (CDC, BigTech, Educators, NTs)

The Plebians

* Military/LEO
* Union members
* Farmers
* Enrergy workers
* "Non-essential" workers as defined through the pandemic
* Religiously affiliated

[Fishrrman]

I agree with RinVa above.

And -- as to what HoustonSam posted:
"If you actually believe this @Right_in_Virginia then you are a Marxist."

This is completely wrong.
As Mr. Reagan said:
"How do you tell a Communist?
Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin.
And how do you tell an anti-Communist?
It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin"

Having said that, the remainder of this reply is off-topic.
Something is wrong with the Briefing Room's "clock".
The dates and times of posts are wrong.

I'm posting on Sept. 9, 2021 at 10.02am
Yet RinVa's post is dated:
"Reply #31 on: Today at 01:15:24 pm"

What's going on?

[Kamaji]

I agree with RinVa above.

And -- as to what HoustonSam posted:
"If you actually believe this @Right_in_Virginia then you are a Marxist."

This is completely wrong.
As Mr. Reagan said:
"How do you tell a Communist?
Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin.
And how do you tell an anti-Communist?
It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin"

Having said that, the remainder of this reply is off-topic.
Something is wrong with the Briefing Room's "clock".
The dates and times of posts are wrong.

I'm posting on Sept. 9, 2021 at 10.02am
Yet RinVa's post is dated:
"Reply #31 on: Today at 01:15:24 pm"

What's going on?

@Fishrrman

@BassWrangler posted a FAQ about how to correct the time issue, here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,447842.0.html

[catfish1957]

Not buying it.  The left wing now has Big Tech, , MSM, and election integrity in its back pocket.

In poker terms we conservatives are playing an opponent with a marked deck. The left will not let any conservative base of power "ascend".

Revolution is the only solution to this mess.

[Fishrrman]

Ah, thanks kamaji for the heads up on the time.

I "got it right" again by offsetting the time by "-4" (minus four) hours.

This needs to be noted on the home page (if it's not there already)...

[Bigun]

Nothing wrong with that providing you watch out for your brethren in other factions.

Ain't no skin off your nose to vote for a Constitutionalist that is also a fiscal conservative, that has military service, and supports Judeo-Christian values.That is the essence of Reagan.

Sure is lonely these days since even the courts have abandoned our constitution and National Archives Slaps ‘Harmful Content’ Warning On Constitution, All Other Founding Documents

[roamer_1]

Sure is lonely these days since even the courts have abandoned our constitution and National Archives Slaps ‘Harmful Content’ Warning On Constitution, All Other Founding Documents

To paraphrase Limbaugh, I think you need another 'I told you so' moment....

The problem is Republicans, and nothing else. ALL it takes is an actual defender p a party that stands and represents Conservatism. That is what gives people a real option. And I am confident that given the option, especially across several election cycles, the People will make their will known.

They need a real and lasting choice. And that is the fault and failure of Republicans... If that, I predict that you might be pleasantly surprised.

[Bigun]

To paraphrase Limbaugh, I think you need another 'I told you so' moment....

The problem is Republicans, and nothing else. ALL it takes is an actual defender p a party that stands and represents Conservatism. That is what gives people a real option. And I am confident that given the option, especially across several election cycles, the People will make their will known.

They need a real and lasting choice. And that is the fault and failure of Republicans... If that, I predict that you might be pleasantly surprised.

FAR too late for that now!

MANY people ISB Washington on multiple payrolls @roamer_1 and not all of them are Democrats!  Not by a damned site!

[EdinVA]

30 years ago, the contest was based largely on ideologies, but now we are in a fight for survival and there is no room for purity tests.
The non-marxist gets my vote.

[HoustonSam]

I agree with RinVa above.

And -- as to what HoustonSam posted:
"If you actually believe this @Right_in_Virginia then you are a Marxist."

This is completely wrong.
As Mr. Reagan said:
"How do you tell a Communist?
Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin.
And how do you tell an anti-Communist?
It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin"

Sorry, no.  You see @Fishrrman I have both read, and understood, Marx.

The fundamental premise of Marxism is class struggle - haves versus have-nots, elites versus commoners, capitalists versus proletariat.  When someone says about American politics "It is -- always -- about elite verus plebian (the average working citizen)" they are defining American politics from the starting point of Marxism.

People who build their thinking on Marxist premisses are, literally by definition, Marxists.

[skeeter]

30 years ago, the contest was based largely on ideologies, but now we are in a fight for survival and there is no room for purity tests.
The non-marxist gets my vote.

This is where I am.

[roamer_1]

FAR too late for that now!

MANY people ISB Washington on multiple payrolls @roamer_1 and not all of them are Democrats!  Not by a damned site!

Then Washington needs a comeuppance... Thankfully, because of our founders, we have options outside of the federal government... The states are no small defense @Bigun , even in the face of a federal behemoth... But that requires a party embracing Conservatism, and in that case, the oposition grows into the fed from there.... Republicans need to be turned by the nose, FOR REAL, or they need to be cast aside. One of the two, or we certainly are doomed. Because the current facade, acting as the status quo, will surely lead us ever leftward.

[Bigun]

Then Washington needs a comeuppance... Thankfully, because of our founders, we have options outside of the federal government... The states are no small defense @Bigun , even in the face of a federal behemoth... But that requires a party embracing Conservatism, and in that case, the oposition grows into the fed from there.... Republicans need to be turned by the nose, FOR REAL, or they need to be cast aside. One of the two, or we certainly are doomed. Because the current facade, acting as the status quo, will surely lead us ever leftward.

I'm a full fledged member @roamer_1

[Absalom]

American politics, especially national politics, is not about liberalism or conservatism; never has been.  It is -- always -- about elite versus plebian (the average working citizen).

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Strongly demur.
Our Founders, notably Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, radiated the values of plain people, rather than any elitist pretentions.
As they passed, we continued our national development, from rural and agricultural to more urban and industrial
as the result of our embrace of capitalism; which generated great wealth and prominence for us in the world.
But this development awakened the mortal enemy of capitalism, promoted earlier by the Radicals of the French Enlightenment,
who insisted that all men are equal and that material betterment was Man's most noble calling in life.
The consequence of this was socialism and sadly the decline of Man's Anchor since Eden; his spiritual values.
Capitalism and Socialism, with their virtues/vices are simply economic systems, not the essence of Principle.
The ongoing fight in DC for more than 100 years has absolutely nothing to do w/core Principles/Precepts and
everything to do w/who has the fattest wallet; as envy and avarice for power and wealth are the controlling impulses.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

I'm a constitutionalist.  Pure and simple.

It is that simple too.

Nothing defines conservatism as much as adherence to the original words and intent of the Constitution.

[libertybele]

It is that simple too.

Nothing defines conservatism as much as adherence to the original words and intent of the Constitution.

 

[skeeter]

It is that simple too.

Nothing defines conservatism as much as adherence to the original words and intent of the Constitution.

Amen and amen.