Attempts to rescue Christians being thwarted by State Dept...

[AllThatJazzZ]

@AllThatJazzZ

Bible Thumper.

@sneakypete

That explains nothing, but don't respond. Just put me on ignore because I'm also a "Bible thumper," and anything I'd have to say would be propaganda to you.

[libertybele]

@AllThatJazzZ

Bible Thumper.

Beck is saving Christians from being slaughtered. I don't understand the negativity here.

[libertybele]

 I looked and Beck hasn't posted anything in nearly 2 days. Not a good sign. I thought he was supposed to be making it back to the States and back to broadcasting on his show Monday.

[sneakypete]

Beck is saving Christians from being slaughtered. I don't understand the negativity here.

@libertybele

Speaking for myself only,MY negativity is all the focus on CHRISTIAN Americans,just like "regular,unleaded Americans don't count.

And make no mistake about it,there are a LOT of Americans who are not Christians,never mind "devout". Most of the people I know put an arrow in the "Christian box" on any form that asks about religious preferences,but it's more of  a kneejerk thing that a statement on how devout they are.

Hell,I can claim to be an airplane if I want,but that doesn't mean I can flap my arms and fly.

[Bigun]

@libertybele

Speaking for myself only,MY negativity is all the focus on CHRISTIAN Americans,just like "regular,unleaded Americans don't count.

And make no mistake about it,there are a LOT of Americans who are not Christians,never mind "devout". Most of the people I know put an arrow in the "Christian box" on any form that asks about religious preferences,but it's more of  a kneejerk thing that a statement on how devout they are.

Hell,I can claim to be an airplane if I want,but that doesn't mean I can flap my arms and fly.

You are free to believe anything you like @sneakypete but I don't get the incessant need to denigrate the beliefs of others. I find that completely unnecessary and unbecoming.

[sneakypete]

You are free to believe anything you like @sneakypete but I don't get the incessant need to denigrate the beliefs of others. I find that completely unnecessary and unbecoming.

@Bigun

Writing I don't agree or follow Christianity is denigrating it? I know at some times in our history you could be put in jail for not being a Christian,but I thought those days were long past.

[Bigun]

@Bigun

Writing I don't agree or follow Christianity is denigrating it? I know at some times in our history you could be put in jail for not being a Christian,but I thought those days were long past.

@sneakypete

This is not my forum and I'm not a mod so I'll just leave it as it is.

[libertybele]

@libertybele

Speaking for myself only,MY negativity is all the focus on CHRISTIAN Americans,just like "regular,unleaded Americans don't count.

And make no mistake about it,there are a LOT of Americans who are not Christians,never mind "devout". Most of the people I know put an arrow in the "Christian box" on any form that asks about religious preferences,but it's more of  a kneejerk thing that a statement on how devout they are.

Hell,I can claim to be an airplane if I want,but that doesn't mean I can flap my arms and fly.

@sneakypete these Christians aren't just Americans. Christians are beings slaughtered because of their beliefs; some have converted to Christianity.

Bottom line is he is over there himself trying to save lives and our State Dept. is blocking his efforts. He's not sitting back collecting money, but using the $$ to save lives.  He spent his own money to get over there. He is putting his life in peril to save lives; something tells me he's not exactly popular with our gov't. 

I commend his efforts and I pray that he makes it back and is successful in saving some lives who would have otherwise been slaughtered.

BTW as far as I know he has vetted these people -- this isn't the first time he has gone in an moved people to a safer country; but it is the first time that our own State Dept. is standing in his way.  I fear for his life.  They obviously don't want him to succeed.

[PeteS in CA]

1. It’s Glenn Beck’s and his donors’ $$.

2. Clearly, the State Department would or does discriminate against those Beck’s efforts would rescue.

3. As for the fate of those Christians were they not rescued, remember the fate of the Yazidi.

[AllThatJazzZ]

@sneakypete these Christians aren't just Americans. Christians are beings slaughtered because of their beliefs; some have converted to Christianity.

Bottom line is he is over there himself trying to save lives and our State Dept. is blocking his efforts. He's not sitting back collecting money, but using the $$ to save lives.  He spent his own money to get over there. He is putting his life in peril to save lives; something tells me he's not exactly popular with our gov't. 

I commend his efforts and I pray that he makes it back and is successful in saving some lives who would have otherwise been slaughtered.

BTW as far as I know he has vetted these people -- this isn't the first time he has gone in an moved people to a safer country; but it is the first time that our own State Dept. is standing in his way.  I fear for his life.  They obviously don't want him to succeed.

@libertybele

Like you, I'm concerned for Glenn, but I think he's probably alright. I'll be listening first thing in the morning for an update.

A word of advice re our fellow Briefer who is antagonistic toward believers: I think it's time we all shake the dust from our feet. He doesn't have ears to hear.

[Hoodat]

For the record, are we bashing all Christians or only the fundamentalist ones?   I seem to recall the original slur was against "fundies".  As a present truth Christian (i.e. non-fundamentalist), I would like some clarity on which side of the aisle I fall here.  Thanks in advance.

[Smokin Joe]

I’ve been watching Beck this morning. Heart wrenching.

May Almighty God Bless his efforts with further success. At least he is doing something.

[Smokin Joe]

Jazz said:
"And one has nukes"

That one will be taken out by India when the time comes.
(it almost came already, several years' back...)

Yep. I recall that pissing contest over Kashmir...in 1974

[jafo2010]

Bottomline:  Anyone not muslim in Afghanistan will be executed in as painful a way as known by mankind.  And no one will come to their aid, report on their brutal murders, etc., etc.

What Beck is doing is heroic.  Putting his life on the line, contending with a government that is openly hostile to his efforts, and I am referencing the USA, to save the lives of non muslims.  I believe the last Jew was driven out of Afghanistan decades ago.  So, what is the mission of the USA?  I suspect they are doing a better job of bringing terrorists to the USA with blank visas being handed out in what sounds like unlimited quantities.  You think we have had attacks in the USA to date, just wait.

These communist b*st*rds in charge of our government do not like being made to look bad, so Beck best get in and out ASAP, otherwise our government will take him out.

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete these Christians aren't just Americans. Christians are beings slaughtered because of their beliefs; some have converted to Christianity.

Bottom line is he is over there himself trying to save lives and our State Dept. is blocking his efforts. He's not sitting back collecting money, but using the $$ to save lives.  He spent his own money to get over there. He is putting his life in peril to save lives; something tells me he's not exactly popular with our gov't. 

I commend his efforts and I pray that he makes it back and is successful in saving some lives who would have otherwise been slaughtered.

BTW as far as I know he has vetted these people -- this isn't the first time he has gone in an moved people to a safer country; but it is the first time that our own State Dept. is standing in his way.  I fear for his life.  They obviously don't want him to succeed.

@libertybele


Sadly,I don't think there is any question that we now have an anti-American/anti-freedom government that is composed of globalists.

Christianity is just one of their enemies. The NRA,as ineffective as it is these days,is another. They hate anyone who doesn't wear red and march in a globalist straight line.

[sneakypete]

@libertybele

Like you, I'm concerned for Glenn, but I think he's probably alright. I'll be listening first thing in the morning for an update.

A word of advice re our fellow Briefer who is antagonistic toward believers: I think it's time we all shake the dust from our feet. He doesn't have ears to hear.

@AllThatJazzZ

In other words my opinions don't matter because I am not a member of your religious cult.

And the difference between you and the Taliban when it comes to individual beliefs are.........?

[sneakypete]

For the record, are we bashing all Christians or only the fundamentalist ones?   I seem to recall the original slur was against "fundies".  As a present truth Christian (i.e. non-fundamentalist), I would like some clarity on which side of the aisle I fall here.  Thanks in advance.

@Hoodat

I can't speak for anyone else,but I thought I was clear about my focus on fundies.

BTW,fundies come in all flavors. I used to mark the religious preferences on my records in the army as being "non-denominational",and when I went to check into the 7th SFG after leaving VN,the Chaplin's Office was one place you had to check into before your paperwork was complete. The Chaplin was a devout Catholic,and just wouldn't accept I had NO religious preferences. He pushed to the point where I told him to put down Protestant because my family were Protestants,and he said "Oh,you mean Heathen"?.

So I said "Yes,I am a Heathen. Put it down." This led to a big argument. The Army flat would NOT accept "Heathen" as a religious preference,despite me being tagged as a Heathen by that Chaplin/Colonel.

So I had some custom dog tags made that identified my religious preferences as "Heathen",although I was  on record against my will as being a Protestant.

I think my telling him I wanted neekid dancing girls at my funeral service was a step too far for him. At any rate,by the time the dust was settled,I never had to deal with him again.

I DO remember our Catholic Chaplin on Okinawa was bounced out of the army for humping the wives and widows of our guys going TDY to VN. All done while providing "spiritual counseling" to them,of course.

[sneakypete]

Bottomline:  Anyone not muslim in Afghanistan will be executed in as painful a way as known by mankind.  And no one will come to their aid, report on their brutal murders, etc., etc.

What Beck is doing is heroic.  Putting his life on the line, contending with a government that is openly hostile to his efforts, and I am referencing the USA, to save the lives of non muslims. I believe the last Jew was driven out of Afghanistan decades ago.  So, what is the mission of the USA?  I suspect they are doing a better job of bringing terrorists to the USA with blank visas being handed out in what sounds like unlimited quantities.  You think we have had attacks in the USA to date, just wait.


@jafo2010

I think "fled for their lives and the lives of their families" is a better description,if you are talking about local Jews. I am positive there were some GI Jews serving there over the years,though.

Not that Christian or any other religious denomination were treated any differently by Muslim governments.

Islam is a danger to all people everywhere,not just Christians or Jews.

These communist b*st*rds in charge of our government do not like being made to look bad, so Beck best get in and out ASAP, otherwise our government will take him out.

I dunno about that,but I do suspect if he is arrested by an Islamic government he will be lucky if he is not executed for his religious beliefs.

And I fully expect the Biden administration to do not one single REAL thing to get him released. Oh,they might pose as being concerned,and play that "we are in talks with the Afghan government about securing his release" game,but it won't be real.

[deb]

FYI, Beck is back in studio this morning.

[Hoodat]

@Hoodat

I can't speak for anyone else,but I thought I was clear about my focus on fundies.

BTW,fundies come in all flavors. I used to mark the religious preferences on my records in the army as being "non-denominational",and when I went to check into the 7th SFG after leaving VN,the Chaplin's Office was one place you had to check into before your paperwork was complete. The Chaplin was a devout Catholic,and just wouldn't accept I had NO religious preferences. He pushed to the point where I told him to put down Protestant because my family were Protestants,and he said "Oh,you mean Heathen"?.

@sneakypete , I am sorry for your experience.  As Christians, we are all witnesses for Christ.  Some are good witnesses.  Some are bad witnesses.  This encounter certainly was not a demonstration of the love Christ has for you regardless of your feeling towards Him.

I realize that your usage of the term 'fundie' is purely derogatory.  But the term 'fundamentalist' holds a specific meaning as it relates to scripture.  There was nothing at all 'scriptural' in your encounter.  Thus, fundamentalism played no role.

Hope that helps.

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete , I am sorry for your experience.  As Christians, we are all witnesses for Christ.  Some are good witnesses.  Some are bad witnesses.  This encounter certainly was not a demonstration of the love Christ has for you regardless of your feeling towards Him.

I realize that your usage of the term 'fundie' is purely derogatory.  But the term 'fundamentalist' holds a specific meaning as it relates to scripture.  There was nothing at all 'scriptural' in your encounter.  Thus, fundamentalism played no role.

Hope that helps.

@Hoodat

I have no personal problems with anything that passes for a religion,with the exception of Islam,which is more of a political group than a religion.

I do have huge problems with many people that pass themselves off as being religious,or religious leaders,though.

I despise hypocrits.

[libertybele]

FYI, Beck is back in studio this morning.

I was relieved to hear him on the air.   

[libertybele]

@sneakypete I was baptized Roman Catholic and confirmed in the Catholic church.  I was not allowed to be married in the Catholic Church as my husband was divorced and it would cause him to denounce his child from that marriage. We married in a cathedral that consisted of several denominations.

I went through classes and was confirmed in the Episcopal Catholic Church and my children were baptized Episcopal.  My children studied the Episcopal religion, attended Lutheran and Roman Catholic schools, so they are pretty well versed in several different religions.

My husband and I have attended non-denominational churches (evangelical) and I was not impressed.

I judge no one for their beliefs.  I believe in one God, I believe he was crucified for the forgiveness of our sins and I believe he will come again to judge both the living and the dead.  I believe in the Catholic church and the apostolic succession.  Though I don't attend Church; church is a building, my faith/Christianity is derived from studying religion and the Holy Bible. My Catholic upbringing is my core belief for the most part, but there are various different issues that I don't agree with especially because of so many changes that have been made over the years.

So when someone tries to rescue Christians (regardless of type, that I haven't truly paid attention to) I commend them.  When I hear that those rescues have been circumvented by our own State Dept., it is deeply concerning.   Fundies, evangelicals, Jews,  Protestants, Catholics, Mormons, First Day Adventists, Baptists, etc., to me are Christian  - they have a religious belief and those left behind will be slaughtered by Islamic terrorists.

I'm not trying to turn this into a religious thread, but the point is that OUR State Dept. intervened and not in a good way! Peace.

[Hoodat]

A church by definition is a congregation of sinners.

[libertybele]

A church by definition is a congregation of sinners.

I view the church itself as a building and those within the building as the congregation.  I unfortunately have found that the congregations have become too politicized in one way or another and I prefer to keep my distance.