What is the new delta plus variant?

[mystery-ak]

What is the new delta plus variant?
The delta plus variant has spike proteins that can latch onto human cells
By Dejaris Holt | Fox News

    As cases of COVID-19 surge in the United States due to the highly contagious delta variant, a new version of that mutation called the delta plus is causing concern among many health care professionals.

The delta plus variant is similar to the delta variant, but unlike delta, this sub-strain has a spike protein mutation called K417N; these spike proteins latch onto human cells with the external bumps that are found on the virus, Fox 5 in San Diego reported.

Although there is no wide consensus, many people believe that this sub-strain of COVID-19 can be even more contagious than the original delta variants due to its ability to latch onto human cells with their spike proteins, though it has the same mutation as the beta variant.

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https://www.foxnews.com/health/what-is-the-new-delta-plus-variant

[Kamaji]

Huh?

WADR, this appears to be more pro-vaxx fear porn.

[mountaineer]

Perhaps it's true that the so-called variant is just the regular ol' flu.
The husband of a FL pediatrician tweeted:

https://twitter.com/johncardillo/status/1424688927760392200

[Cyber Liberty]

Since there is no test to differentiate "Delta" from "Original,"  I'm assuming all the "breakthrough" infections must therefore be "Delta."

[rustynail]

These will be membered as the good times when:  Doomsday COVID Variant Worse Than Delta and Lambda May Be Coming

https://www.newsweek.com/2021/08/13/doomsday-covid-variant-worse-delta-lambda-may-coming-scientists-say-1615874.html

[thackney]

Since there is no test to differentiate "Delta" from "Original,"  I'm assuming all the "breakthrough" infections must therefore be "Delta."

?????

How are labs identifying the variant if there is no test?  I believe there is a test, just not an immediate result test.

How health departments determine if a positive COVID-19 case is the delta variant
https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/continuing-coverage/coronavirus/how-health-departments-determine-if-a-positive-covid-19-case-is-the-delta-variant

...When a person suspects they have COVID-19, they go to a local testing site such as a pharmacy, to get a test. The test looks for specific markers in the sampled cells—coming back with either a “positive” or “negative” result.

If the test administered was a PCR test and it was positive, Summit County Public Health said it may be randomly selected to be sent to a specialist lab, like one at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the Ohio Department of Health or a private lab, to get genetic testing to find out of it’s the delta strain....

[Cyber Liberty]

?????

How are labs identifying the variant if there is no test?  I believe there is a test, just not an immediate result test.

I don't believe there is a test, and they're making it all up as they're going along.  The fabricated Delta numbers are likely simply "everybody who gets COVID despite being vaccinated."

[thackney]

I don't believe there is a test, and they're making it all up as they're going along.  The fabricated Delta numbers are likely simply "everybody who gets COVID despite being vaccinated."

Are you claiming the genomic testing does not work?

[thackney]

Whole-Genome Sequence Analysis of DELTA Variant at Ayass BioScience, LLC
https://ayassbioscience.com/delta-variant/

[Cyber Liberty]

Are you claiming the genomic testing does not work?

I'm saying I think they don't have the parameters for Genome testing that can make a distinction between the "Delta variant" and good ol' COVID.

I am not an expert on the subject, so I could very well be wrong.  They have been misusing all sorts of statistics since day 1.

[thackney]

I'm saying I think they don't have the parameters for Genome testing that can make a distinction between the "Delta variant" and good ol' COVID.

I am not an expert on the subject, so I could very well be wrong.  They have been misusing all sorts of statistics since day 1.

Interesting.  I am not trying to insult and just trying to understand.  Do you believe all discussions from all source world wide about the many different variants (mutations) worldwide is all made up?  Do you think the same of the flu variants that have been used to tailor each years vaccines are the same way?

[Cyber Liberty]

Interesting.  I am not trying to insult and just trying to understand.  Do you believe all discussions from all source world wide about the many different variants (mutations) worldwide is all made up?  Do you think the same of the flu variants that have been used to tailor each years vaccines are the same way?

I think the Democrats are pushing "variants" so they can keep the crisis going into another election cycle.  What you've been reading is likely truth, so I value your observations.

[240B]

The 'Delta-variant' is just the Democrats in power saying, "If you thought COVID was winding down, you are a fool! We are just getting started with this COVID gift from the Chinese. We will never stop until elections are cancelled and America is a full blown totalitarian State. Just wait an see what Fauci has in his freezer from China, which he will release March next year. Fauci has the super-dooper double whammy COVID plus plus. And he is ready to release it at the specified right time to cancel the midterm elections."

Who knew Americans would be this easy to manipulate into slavery?

[rustynail]

God deliver me from argumentum ad verecundiam.

[thackney]

I think the Democrats are pushing "variants" so they can keep the crisis going into another election cycle.  What you've been reading is likely truth, so I value your observations.

I have no doubts any info, variants or other, will be manipulated to push political agendas.  But I am confident in the ability to determine variants at a lab with genomic sequencing.  But that is not done on everyone with a positive covid test, just on sampling or specific for studies.

[Cyber Liberty]

I have no doubts any info, variants or other, will be manipulated to push political agendas.  But I am confident in the ability to determine variants at a lab with genomic sequencing.  But that is not done on everyone with a positive covid test, just on sampling or specific for studies.

Thanks for that clarification!  But, the bolded part of your reply begs the question:  "So how are they collecting state-by-state, national and World stats?"

[thackney]

Thanks for that clarification!  But, the bolded part of your reply begs the question:  "So how are they collecting state-by-state, national and World stats?"

As I understand it, sampling of Covid patients sent to labs for genomic sequencing.  I do not know the percentage of sampling taken.

@Cyber Liberty

There are also new testing abilities rapidly coming out.  For example:

New test detects COVID-19 variants in your spit
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2021/08/new-at-home-test-detects-covid-19-variants-in-your-spit/

Low-cost device lets consumers check themselves for multiple strains of SARS-CoV-2 at home

[Bigun]

FWIW, I believe this entire COVID episode is a well planned and executed BIOLOGICAL attack by the CHICOMS which has been, and continues to be, greatly aided by many Americans.

[mountaineer]

If you stop by the local MedExpress (or whatever doc-in-a-box serves your community) and ask for a Covid test, you're not going to be tested for variants. You'll get whatever Covid test has been used all along.

I suspect, however, that if the result is positive, you'll be told you have the Delta variant. Is it possible that there are no more regular old-fashioned Covid cases anymore, and all of the most recent positive test results are presumed to be Delta, Epsilon, or whatever they're going with next?

You know darn well they're making this up as they go along.

[Cyber Liberty]

As I understand it, sampling of Covid patients sent to labs for genomic sequencing.  I do not know the percentage of sampling taken.

@Cyber Liberty

There are also new testing abilities rapidly coming out.  For example:

New test detects COVID-19 variants in your spit
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2021/08/new-at-home-test-detects-covid-19-variants-in-your-spit/

Low-cost device lets consumers check themselves for multiple strains of SARS-CoV-2 at home

This is good about the tests coming out, but I don't trust the "random sampling" being done with the Delta Variant tests currently.  The new ones coming out are too new for any statistical evaluation due to the small size of the sample population (I'm using the statistics definition of "population").  "Random" is in the eye of the beholder.  Are they only submitting samples because the patients' data are resisting normal diagnostic tests?

[Cyber Liberty]

If you stop by the local MedExpress (or whatever doc-in-a-box serves your community) and ask for a Covid test, you're not going to be tested for variants. You'll get whatever Covid test has been used all along.

I suspect, however, that if the result is positive, you'll be told you have the Delta variant. Is it possible that there are no more regular old-fashioned Covid cases anymore, and all of the most recent positive test results are presumed to be Delta, Epsilon, or whatever they're going with next?

You know darn well they're making this up as they go along.

I've heard it said the Lambda variant is capable of Killing Us All.  We must pay Fauci princely wages to save us.