New study claims electric vehicles pollute less than fossil fuel cars, but their batteries are anot

[rangerrebew]

New study claims electric vehicles pollute less than fossil fuel cars, but their batteries are another story

07/30/2021 / By Ramon Tomey

Many countries worldwide have promoted electric vehicles (EVs) as less-polluting versions of gasoline-powered cars. Alongside this, many studies have also emerged that said EVs actually produce more pollution. However, a new paper defending EVs said they emit far less emissions than traditional vehicles.

The July 2021 paper from the International Council on Clean Transportation (ICCT) claimed that battery-powered EVs “have by far the lowest life-cycle greenhouse gas emissions.” It arrived at this claim by looking at the four most relevant powertrain types. These included internal-combustion engine vehicles, including hybrid electric ones; plug-in hybrid electric vehicles; battery electric vehicles and fuel cell electric vehicles.

The ICCT report also looked a number of fuel types and power sources such as gasoline, diesel, natural gas, biofuels, e-fuels, hydrogen and electricity. Alongside its earlier finding, the report discovered that only electric vehicles powered by batteries and hydrogen fuel cells “have the potential to achieve the magnitude of lifecycle [greenhouse gas] emissions reductions needed to meet Paris Agreement goals.”

https://www.environ.news/2021-07-30-study-electric-vehicles-pollute-less-conventional-cars.html

[Potluck]

Many are stuck on thinking only of pollutants emitted while driving EVs, while some may go one step further to include emissions produced to charge the EV and even less include manufacture and mining of the materials needed.
In other words few actually get the complete picture.
Ignoring the inconvenient facts involved is part of the incomplete narrative blared so often to the general public.
To use a currently familiar phrase, they are not “following the science”.
On top of that is the problem of supplying the lithium needed to produce the batteries needed to follow the proposed timeline so often published in so-called studies meant to support the environmentalists’ arguments.
All too often these days half-truths are reported/published and it really irks me. When pointing out the details I’ll get the dodge, “Why do you want to live on a dirty planet?”.

Try to debate a fool and they will take you down to their level then beat you with experience.

[GtHawk]

Many are stuck on thinking only of pollutants emitted while driving EVs, while some may go one step further to include emissions produced to charge the EV and even less include manufacture and mining of the materials needed.
In other words few actually get the complete picture.
Ignoring the inconvenient facts involved is part of the incomplete narrative blared so often to the general public.
To use a currently familiar phrase, they are not “following the science”.
On top of that is the problem of supplying the lithium needed to produce the batteries needed to follow the proposed timeline so often published in so-called studies meant to support the environmentalists’ arguments.
All too often these days half-truths are reported/published and it really irks me. When pointing out the details I’ll get the dodge, “Why do you want to live on a dirty planet?”.

Try to debate a fool and they will take you down to their level then beat you with experience.

I know I once saw a study that showed the total impact of an EV from mining, production and life was greater than a IC vehicle through its lifetime, believed it then and still believe it now. I might change my mind when the goes on the market.

[The_Reader_David]

The enthusiasm for electric vehicles is at least as much a product of urban provincialism as it is of environmentalism.  Certainly in densely populated places where tailpipe emissions are actually a health hazard and the infrastructure to readily build charging stations in sufficient density already exists, i.e. in cities, shifting to EVs would be a good thing.  Out here in the Great Plains, it seems daft.

[rangerrebew]

Lithium for batteries ain't so wonderful either.