Thousands Of Ships, Millions Of Troops: China Is Assembling a Huge Fleet For War With Taiwan

[Hoodat]

Thousands Of Ships, Millions Of Troops: China Is Assembling a Huge Fleet For War With Taiwan

David Axe   |   Jul 27, 2021,08:00am EDT

To have any chance of conquering Taiwan, China might need to transport as many as two million troops across the rough 100 miles of the Taiwan Strait and land them under fire at the island’s 14 potential invasion beaches or 10 major ports.

That’s a lot of people—far, far more than the People’s Liberation Army Navy can haul in its 11 new amphibious ships. To transport the bulk of the invasion force, Beijing almost certainly would take up into naval service thousands of civilian ships.

To that end, the Chinese Communist Party has created a legal and bureaucratic framework for taking over control of commercial shipping. Meanwhile, naval engineers have begun modifying key vessels to make them better assault ships.

All that is to say, the vast flotilla that would be both the vehicle for China’s assault on Taiwan—and the biggest target of Taiwanese forces and their allies—is taking shape.  .  .  .

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2021/07/27/thousands-of-ships-millions-of-troops-china-is-assembling-a-huge-assault-flotilla-for-a-possible-attack-on-taiwan/


So which side would the Biden coup ally itself with?

[Wingnut]

 This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.
-Admiral Josh Painter:

[ironhorsedriver]

Meanwhile, our troops are learning CRT. China and Russia are building huge new Nuclear arsenals, and our Congress is discussing reducing ours.

[mountaineer]

Taiwan's just an appetizer. The USA is the main course.

[Absalom]

Taiwan's land mass of 12 thousand sq. m, is 0.3% of China's at 4.4 million sq. m.
Yet the latter need millions to win eh???
Some 2,500 years past another Asian doofus decided to teach those uppity Greeks a lesson.
So Darius of Persia confronted the Prince of Macedon at Gaugamela (Iraq) outnumbering him by some 5  to 1.
In less than a day, Alexander annihilated the Persian Horde, destroying their Empire while leaving Darius
and his Court hanging from trees. Do much for size!!!
Pass it on the the Ruling clown in Beijing.
 

[libertybele]

This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.
-Admiral Josh Painter:

Amen. God help us all!

[libertybele]

Taiwan's just an appetizer. The USA is the main course.

No worries, China Joe has everything under control.

[jafo2010]

The idea that it would take millions of Chinese military forces to seize Taiwan is simple minded and void of any history knowledge.  A surprise attack by airborne forces, followed by a decent landing force would take Taiwan in days if not hours.  Does anyone remember the tactics of the Germans during WWII?  A student of airborne surprise attack against key facilities and individuals would know that it is definitely possible.

And the USA like ALWAYS would be caught with its pants down or soundly asleep to do a damn thing about it.  It would be like the Crimea and Russia.  The USA would mumble and go on with life as usual.  Meanwhile the lines on a map once again get redrawn.  Feckless Democommies would not lift a finger against these fellow communists.

[mountaineer]

https://twitter.com/FishingOnFaith2/status/1420195571625775109

[Hoodat]

Does anyone remember the tactics of the Germans during WWII?  A student of airborne surprise attack against key facilities and individuals would know that it is definitely possible.

The Germans abandoned this after suffering huge losses at Crete.  Taiwan is four times larger than Crete, much denser populated, and better defended.

[Absalom]

The notion that China is a military threat, to the world, is both laughable and ignorant.
The Asian power, since Commodore Perry's visit, has been Japan which kicked China's
butt regularly since 1850, notwithstanding WW2.
Further, Taiwan is culturally/ethnically Chinese; being the home of Chiang Kai-shek who
ruled the Mainland from 1928 till his defeat by Mao in 1949, when he fled to Taiwan
which he and his Nationalist Party ruled till his death in 1975.
Taiwan, along w/Hong Kong, are Chinese foremost rather than bastions of Capitalism.
The assertion that they will fight to the death of preserve their economic system is hysteria. 

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Taiwan's just an appetizer. The USA is the main course.

no it isn't as US will fight back. That is the final solution for China.

Like the Japanese in WWII, resources will be the second course as China will require considerably more before it engages in that type of war.  Perhaps  conquest in the ME or energy-rich African country.  Australia beckons as well, but the US would mist certainly step-in as an ally to prevent.

In Taiwan, the Chicons finally have a US president in power that will not come to Taiwan's aid.  They have been awaiting this for generations.

[Smokin Joe]

Taiwan's just an appetizer. The USA is the main course.

During the Clinton Administration, iirc, Hutchinson Whampoa secured the rights to the ports Cristobal and Balboa, at the ends of the Panama Canal. More about the company, owned by a Hong Kong Billionaire who is in tight with Bejing, herre: https://centerforsecuritypolicy.org/chinas-panamanian-canal-2/

Here is the State Dept statement before the Armed Services Committee by Clinton's Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Lino Guiterrez: https://1997-2001.state.gov/policy_remarks/1999/991022_gutierrez_panama.html

Many groups, among them the folks who publish The New American, expressed grave concern over what appeared at the time to be Chinese control over the Canal zone at the time.

Those facilities have been expanded to handle more shipping containers, but that capability could have a dual use for bringing in troops or materiel to effectively control Canal traffic. Needless to say, that alone would be a debilitating blow to US Naval asset movement.

[Hoodat]

During the Clinton Administration, iirc, Hutchinson Whampoa secured the rights to the ports Cristobal and Balboa, at the ends of the Panama Canal.

They also took ownership of Global Crossing's entire assets (see:  Terry McAuliffe), and essentially drove Lucent Technologies out of business by stealing their product and mass producing it.

[Smokin Joe]

They also took ownership of Global Crossing's entire assets (see:  Terry McAuliffe), and essentially drove Lucent Technologies out of business by stealing their product and mass producing it.

We have to keep in mind they have been playing the long game. Under Clinton they acquired/achieved LEO (Low Earth Orbit) insertion capability (LORAL and Hughes Aerospace deals), which means they can hit anywhere on the globe. They have also demonstrated killer satellite capability. They have built their "commercial" fleet, engaging in economic warfare, and it is being adapted for dual use. They hold over a trillion in US debt, second only to Japan. They have "opened their markets" to us companies' manufacturing, importing the technology of those companies while manufacturing the goods (and stealing every concept).
Chinese good have driven us goods out of the markets on a price basis, (it's hard to beat slave labor and no environmental restrictions, not to mention all the 'sensitivity' issues we've seen pop up over the last two decades, and now wokeness and COVID {I'm not sure which will prove most lethal} are being used to destroy the foundations of the American economy.)

America needs to quit messing around and get its head on straight. It's time to shut all the Marxists down.

[Hoodat]

We have to keep in mind they have been playing the long game. Under Clinton they acquired/achieved LEO (Low Earth Orbit) insertion capability (LORAL and Hughes Aerospace deals), which means they can hit anywhere on the globe.

Loral and Hughes also gave China MIRV technology, allowing them to place multiple warheads in the same ICBM.  That technological advance took them from 80 warheads to 800 overnight.

[Smokin Joe]

Loral and Hughes also gave China MIRV technology, allowing them to place multiple warheads in the same ICBM.  That technological advance took them from 80 warheads to 800 overnight.

At the same time, the 10 package buses were removed from ours, and they were limited to three, and the MX was canceled, leaving the US with only two of the top ten ballistic missiles in service.

https://www.military-today.com/missiles/top_10_icbms.htm

[Restored]

China has nothing to gain by invading Taiwan and everything to gain by convincing Taiwan to surrender without a shot being fired. All China needs is compliant politicians to take Taiwan. It will be a death by a thousand cuts.

China also doesn't need to invade to bring Taiwan to the table. They can send thousands of drones at Taiwan to soak off their AA and then eliminate the Air Force. Then the island is at their mercy. But I think that would just cause an arms race in Asia and China wants to avoid that at all costs. China wants everyone nice and lightly-armed.

[Absalom]

The notion that China is a world power is driven by the subconscious absurdity
that size determines power; a notion beyond ridiculous, as history attests.
Compare the size of Ancient Greece to the entities it crushed; such as Alexander at Gaugamela.
Then do likewise for Rome versus the Tribes of Europe.
In 1901, Victoria reigned over some 55% of the Globe!
Reflect a moment on the land mass of England, Scotland and Wales versus that 55%!
 

[mountaineer]

Queen Victoria, if she were alive today, would say, "What the hell are you talking about?"

[GtHawk]

If this doesn't belong here please move.

Sorry for the thread hijack...sort of. Perhaps China could put those troops to better use assisting the populace with the flooding and the death and destruction resulting from it. I watched videos showing busses that had all their windows blacked out that people said were used to haul corpses, but in true communist falsification the people were told not to believe their eyes but believe the government when it tells them there were only around a hundred dead. Watch in the videos how many flower bundles are place for the dead or missing........dead.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yn-3Pmlwu8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhgdgvyzk7A


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKagRy7VapU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6rNJzoSGjk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXK9DC3Y2MU&t=97s

[jafo2010]

Crete was a disaster first day, true enough.  But the Germans had a number of great successes before that.  And in fact, the Germans seized the island.  They accomplished what they were after, in a short period of time.  And the German losses I believe were less than those of our airborne at Normandy. 

It was the first time Allies had a heads up on German plans as a result of captured Enigma capability.  And the Allies were so impressed with the German paratrooper operation, they launched their own paratrooper organizations.

Surprise is key, and crack troops with covert forces sent in one by one secretly with a plan to seize key leaders, key communications, etc, and Taiwan falls.  And what will the USA do if it falls?  Not a damn thing!!!!!!!!  Not with the communist controlled Biden as POTUS.

With 23.8 million in population, it would be easy to get a couple thousand operators to blend in on the island.  They would not stand out like in a small population area with folks culturally different.  There would be no telling the CCP operators from the native population.

The key would be surprise.  It can be done.

[AARguy]

China is an economic giant. It is a a military giant. It is about to reorder the world. The outcome is anyone's guess. There are too many "known unknowns" to make any reliable predictions. UxV (drone) technology will completely change battlefield dynamics. So will CHAMP (nonuclear EMP) technology. So will the advanced biological weapons of China, so effectively demonstrated by COVID-19.

For the first time in history, military technology is rendering the lessons of the past almost irrelevant.

[Absalom]

Queen Victoria, if she were alive today, would say, "What the hell are you talking about?"

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Just ask any school kid.

[mountaineer]

I know my library inside and out (it's not stone, by the way). You still make no sense.