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An Anti-Gun Group Concocts a Massive Hoax to Embarrass Their Pro-Gun Nemesis. Here's How That Went.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2021/07/20/an-anti-gun-group-concocts-a-massive-hoax-to-embarrass-their-pro-gun-nemesis-heres-how-that-went-n1462095

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Economist and gun rights advocate John Lott wrote the successful and breakthrough book More Guns, Less Crime in 1998, and the anti-gun Left has never forgiven him for it.

Anti-gunners refuse to appear with the author, speaker, numbers cruncher, and president of the Crime Prevention Research Center on TV, radio, or any other medium. According to Lott, who most recently wrote the book Gun Control Myths, whenever anti-gun groups like Everytown for Gun Safety, Bloomberg, and Moms Demand Action find out that they’ll be going toe-to-toe with him, they cancel.

They want to appear alone and unchallenged, or not at all. Hand-wringing mothers in pearls are visually more interesting than Lott.
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Change the Ref, whose stated objective is to “raise awareness about mass shootings through strategic interventions that will reduce the influence of the NRA on the Federal level [emphasis added]… worked around the clock for months” plotting a way to get Lott to appear in one of their videos in order to undermine him.
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The group concocted a fake online high school, James Madison Academy, based in Las Vegas. And they asked Lott and a former president of the NRA to speak at the school’s graduation.

They created a website, which Lott says contained information, such as endorsements and stories about successful students, that gave the school the air of legitimacy. The website has since been disappeared.

So "Change the Ref" committed a (non-criminal) fraud to advance the "truth" of their position. It wasn't criminal AFAIK, but I wonder if it was tortious, giving Lott a chance to sue their collective @$$.
If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"? Is reality a Big Pharma Shill?

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More Guns, Less Crime

Could be the success story of Sweden, where they insist the populace be armed, and crime near non-existent!
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Actually, Iceland has the loosest gun laws, and no murders by firearm since 2007.
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Could be the success story of Sweden, where they insist the populace be armed, and crime near non-existent!
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@christian, that sounds like Switzerland. Is Sweden doing it too?
If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"? Is reality a Big Pharma Shill?

Millions now living should have died. Anti-Covid-Vaxxer ghouls hardest hit.

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@christian, that sounds like Switzerland. Is Sweden doing it too?
Nah. Sweden limits their folks to a mere six guns, requires a year long safety program and a bunch of other stuff. You can own a gun there, but there are a bunch of hoops to jump through first.
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Nah. Sweden limits their folks to a mere six guns, requires a year long safety program and a bunch of other stuff. You can own a gun there, but there are a bunch of hoops to jump through first.

A year long safety program? I think the Hunter's Safety course I took from an NRA instructor back in the 60s to get my hunting license at an early age was 2 weeks or a month. As brief as it was, the closest anyone came to being hurt by or around me was when shotgun pellets from some morons across the field from me were falling about 20 feet away.
If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"? Is reality a Big Pharma Shill?

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A year long safety program? I think the Hunter's Safety course I took from an NRA instructor back in the 60s to get my hunting license at an early age was 2 weeks or a month. As brief as it was, the closest anyone came to being hurt by or around me was when shotgun pellets from some morons across the field from me were falling about 20 feet away.
I never had a formal hunter safety program, just had it drilled into my head from a very early age. I was hunting ducks and deer at 9, took my first whitetail at 11. But we hunted deer with shotguns there, and the mere sight of a rifled slug was to recognize how brutal that would be if it hit anything you did not intend to hit. All guns were treated the same (as loaded) and any poor trigger or muzzle discipline would result in being grounded from hunting. We were a really safety concious crew who suffered no accidents, and even the two lifetime NDs (in 55 years of handling firearms) I had were pointed downrange in a safe direction.
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A year long safety program? I think the Hunter's Safety course I took from an NRA instructor back in the 60s to get my hunting license at an early age was 2 weeks or a month. As brief as it was, the closest anyone came to being hurt by or around me was when shotgun pellets from some morons across the field from me were falling about 20 feet away.
I got my safety certification in junior high while a member of of the California Cadet Corps., we did rifle qualification with .22's on the tennis courts shooting into bullet traps that I think were only about 16 in square, that was okay though since we were about thirty yards off the main street. happy77
Always a good idea with 13 and 14 year olds that almost all had never fired a gun bigger than BB or pellet, if even that.

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Actually, Iceland has the loosest gun laws, and no murders by firearm since 2007.
Iceland's a very weird place.

I had a (very liberal) teacher who went there about 30 years ago. Icelanders have no sense of adventure, no desire to do rebellious things. By and large, they don't drink alcohol. It's like a real-life Stepford: everyone behaves.
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Icelanders don't feel a need to rebel from a government that doesn't treat the population with contempt and spend recklessly corrupt.  No hate division socialists to encourage rebellion either.  That could be a real definition of a Utopian society!
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Could be the success story of Sweden, where they insist the populace be armed, and crime near non-existent!
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@christian

Not true. There are whole sections of some cities in Sweden that are entirely controlled by the Muslim immigrants the Swedes paid to move to Sweden in order for Sweden to be "more diverse". Hell,they even have Sharia Law,not Swedish Law,and often attack while people trying to drive through the neighborhood.

London even has a Muslim Mayor now,and will soon become populated by more Muslims than Englishmen.

Seems like these fools would have known better,doesn't it?

That's what they get for putting more faith in wishes and good will than historical facts.
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@christian

Not true. There are whole sections of some cities in Sweden that are entirely controlled by the Muslim immigrants the Swedes paid to move to Sweden in order for Sweden to be "more diverse". Hell,they even have Sharia Law,not Swedish Law,and often attack while people trying to drive through the neighborhood.

London even has a Muslim Mayor now,and will soon become populated by more Muslims than Englishmen.

Seems like these fools would have known better,doesn't it?

That's what they get for putting more faith in wishes and good will than historical facts.
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