Arizona official says California's electrical power grab could lead to outages

[Hoodat]

Arizona official says California's electrical power grab could lead to outages

Elizabeth Troutman   |   Jul 2, 2021

(The Center Square) - The head of the Arizona Corporate Commission worries that California power officials moving their wattage to the front of the line would export power outages to Arizona and elsewhere.

The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) recently decided to allow the California Independent System Operator (CAISO) to prioritize energy flow throughout California over Arizona. This concerns to the chairwoman of the Arizona Corporation Commission (ACC), Lea Márquez Peterson.

CAISO petitioned FERC to make changes to its tariff related to transmission priority through California in response to the extensive blackouts in August 2020. The summer readiness plan approved by California's primary grid operator deprioritized the electrical wattage sent outside the golden state when the power demand is high.

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This summer, when California utilities are short on power, due to the tariff changes, Márquez Peterson said CAISO could cancel contracts and block energy at the border, allowing CAISO to repurchase power intended for Arizona for itself. She fears this will force Arizona's utilities to struggle to make up for power they had already paid for and rely on. The tariff change, she said, benefits Californians at the expense of the health and wellbeing of Arizonans.

https://www.thecentersquare.com/arizona/arizona-official-says-californias-electrical-power-grab-could-lead-to-outages/article_51278106-db82-11eb-8cc9-2f4e9c5e60e2.html



Rigging elections has consequences, Arizona.

[Smokin Joe]

The next Holdomor will be done over energy, not food.

[Fishrrman]

Time for a simple solution:

[rustynail]

California Über Alles.

[Smokin Joe]

Time for a simple solution:

Better get nonconductive handles...or you'd never have to worry about a utility bill again.

Better yet, trip the breakers, then disconnect it.

[Fishrrman]

Joe wrote:
"Better get nonconductive handles...or you'd never have to worry about a utility bill again.
Better yet, trip the breakers, then disconnect it."

Heh, the pic was intended to be allegorical (I think that's the right word).
I don't think they make one with a long-enough handle for 750,000 volts...!

[Smokin Joe]

Joe wrote:
"Better get nonconductive handles...or you'd never have to worry about a utility bill again.
Better yet, trip the breakers, then disconnect it."

Heh, the pic was intended to be allegorical (I think that's the right word).
I don't think they make one with a long-enough handle for 750,000 volts...!

There's cheap ways to make a mess of such, but I won't elaborate.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Huh. I thought there was a lot more power leaving Arizona going to California to make up for deficiencies in the California grid rather than the other way around.

@thackney - do you know?

[PeteS in CA]

AFAIK, California has been an electricity net importer for decades, especially from the Pacific Northwest.

[thackney]

Huh. I thought there was a lot more power leaving Arizona going to California to make up for deficiencies in the California grid rather than the other way around.

@thackney - do you know?

@IsailedawayfromFR

California invested heavily in solar power. Now there's so much that other states are sometimes paid to take it
https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-fi-electricity-solar/
JUNE 22, 2017

California was the largest net electricity importer of any state in 2019
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=46156
DECEMBER 7, 2020

California was the largest net electricity importer of any state in 2019. ... In 2019, California's net electricity imports were the largest in the country at 70.8 million megawatthours (MWh), or 25% of the state's total electricity supply.

[Cyber Liberty]

A couple weeks ago, we had several 122F days in a row.  Going into that spell, we got a notification from the Electric Cooperative that supplies electricity to most of the city that we may have an over-stressed grid because of California. We were warned we could have rolling blackouts at peak periods, which was a great concern when it's >120F.  It didn't happen.  I live in a tiny part of the city that doesn't get power from the Co-op, but I don't know if we were ever at risk in the Castle.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

@IsailedawayfromFR

California invested heavily in solar power. Now there's so much that other states are sometimes paid to take it
https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-fi-electricity-solar/
JUNE 22, 2017

California was the largest net electricity importer of any state in 2019
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=46156
DECEMBER 7, 2020

California was the largest net electricity importer of any state in 2019. ... In 2019, California's net electricity imports were the largest in the country at 70.8 million megawatthours (MWh), or 25% of the state's total electricity supply.

Seems then the best reciprocal course of action for Arizona would be to negate the export to California if that state does that to Arizona.

I realize that Arizona makes money off both ends, the import and export, but when it comes to servicing its citizens, that should be the higher priority.  Just like California is doing.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

A couple weeks ago, we had several 122F days in a row.  Going into that spell, we got a notification from the Electric Cooperative that supplies electricity to most of the city that we may have an over-stressed grid because of California. We were warned we could have rolling blackouts at peak periods, which was a great concern when it's >120F.  It didn't happen.  I live in a tiny part of the city that doesn't get power from the Co-op, but I don't know if we were ever at risk in the Castle.

I do hope you don't have an overly-political grid overseer like we have in Texas.

Time to contact your state reps as Arizona citizens are the priority here.

[Restored]

They are trying to get people used to limited electricity. Imagine having the power to say "If you oppose us, you could lose your electricity until you get into alignment".

[Cyber Liberty]

I do hope you don't have an overly-political grid overseer like we have in Texas.

Time to contact your state reps as Arizona citizens are the priority here.

The AZ Corporation Commission is as crooked as they come.  Rats and RINOs.

[Hoodat]

The AZ Corporation Commission is as crooked as they come.  Rats and RINOs.

In Georgia, we have the Public Service Commission made up of five elected members.  The Libertarians always run candidates in these races.  The races are rarely partisan since there is really no political benefit to these seats.  It pits the people against regulated utilities and other businesses (e.g. intrastate moving and relocation, trucking, etc.)  Several years ago, they approved construction of two new nuclear reactors at Plant Vogtle, the first to be constructed in over 30 years.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

The AZ Corporation Commission is as crooked as they come.  Rats and RINOs.

Ours were appointed by the Governor as patronage positions and all have been fired since the debacle of this past winter.

Now Abbott has appointed three new ones.

Yes, public pressure can achieve results.

[Cyber Liberty]

Ours were appointed by the Governor as patronage positions and all have been fired since the debacle of this past winter.

Now Abbott has appointed three new ones.

Yes, public pressure can achieve results.

Yeah, the only problem with AZ's Commission is all these low-information voters. 

[Smokin Joe]

They are trying to get people used to limited electricity. Imagine having the power to say "If you oppose us, you could lose your electricity until you get into alignment".

Just as Stalin's people would never admit the collective farms were a total failure, and sent troops to the Ukraine to confiscate their grain (starving millions of Ukrainians to save face and feed the Russian cities),  Unca (Dementia) Joe will never admit that the GND is a dismal failure or that 'renewables" are not sufficient for peak load--or even base load in days which will bring on heavy usage, and will do what is necessary to maintain power in the urban enclaves where his alleged vote base is. (Besides, urban blackouts mean crime waves).

Red State America is at risk, especially in the North during winter and the south in summer.

The next Holdomor will be over energy.

[roamer_1]

A couple weeks ago, we had several 122F days in a row.  Going into that spell, we got a notification from the Electric Cooperative that supplies electricity to most of the city that we may have an over-stressed grid because of California. We were warned we could have rolling blackouts at peak periods, which was a great concern when it's >120F.  It didn't happen.  I live in a tiny part of the city that doesn't get power from the Co-op, but I don't know if we were ever at risk in the Castle.

Still well worth your time to look into a fail-over jenny... Power it by NG if you have it, or propane with a big tank out back somewhere... and you will be nearly impervious to blackouts, rolling or otherwise.

A bunch of folks up here are going to diesel - A big Cummins jenny that feeds right out of the diesel storage for the farm.

[roamer_1]

Just as Stalin's people would never admit the collective farms were a total failure, and sent troops to the Ukraine to confiscate their grain (starving millions of Ukrainians to save face and feed the Russian cities),  Unca (Dementia) Joe will never admit that the GND is a dismal failure or that 'renewables" are not sufficient for peak load--or even base load in days which will bring on heavy usage, and will do what is necessary to maintain power in the urban enclaves where his alleged vote base is. (Besides, urban blackouts mean crime waves).

Red State America is at risk, especially in the North during winter and the south in summer.

The next Holdomor will be over energy.

YUP. And why it is wise to get off-grid as much as possible. Some of that is alt energy. Some of that is learning how to live without. But if you want to keep your independence, getting off the teat is imperative.

[roamer_1]

California is a good example of what is coming. The megacities have the political power, and they use it to suck the surrounding countryside dry - of both power and water. They take from agriculture to the point that agriculture cannot be sustained. Whole farms are going under for want of power or water.

The only way out is to get out. Once the land is sucked dry, the megacity will fail. It is coming, sure as God made little green apples. And nationally, the very same thing. Power and water will go to sustain population centers, with the rest left wanting. Literally starving out the ag lands that feed them.

Get out. Get independent of it. It is going to fail.

[HikerGuy83]

How will people power their electrical vehicles ?

Oh my ?

[roamer_1]

How will people power their electrical vehicles ?

Oh my ?

Here ya go!

[Hoodat]

California is a good example of what is coming. The megacities have the political power, and they use it to suck the surrounding countryside dry - of both power and water.

Ayn Rand wrote a book about it.