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Pence faces fierce resistance from GOP's pro-Trump base

Former Vice President Mike Pence is facing strong resistance from members of his party's pro-Trump base over his role in certifying the Electoral College results in the 2020 election.

Pence has stepped up his public appearances recently and is set to appear at the Family Leadership Summit in Iowa next month alongside other high-profile Republicans. But his political future is complicated by his refusal in January to bow to pressure from then-President Trump to help deliver him a victory in the race against Joe Biden.

While garnering praise from Democrats and Republicans, that decision has led to howls from members of the party's right flank — a swath of voters Pence will need should he launch a presidential campaign in three years.

“He is, unfortunately, for having done the right thing by following the constitutional duties of his office, committed an unforgivable sin to Trump, and therefore to his most loyal supporters,” said Doug Heye, a GOP strategist and former communications director for the Republican National Committee.

Pence’s struggles with the Trump wing of the GOP were put into stark relief earlier this month when attendees at the Faith and Freedom Coalition summit booed and heckled him as a “traitor.”

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Wrong, right or indifferent, Pence's career is over!  happy77
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Pence faces fierce resistance from GOP's pro-Trump base

Former Vice President Mike Pence is facing strong resistance from members of his party's pro-Trump base over his role in certifying the Electoral College results in the 2020 election.

Regardless of the rights and wrongs of it, Pence will never get past this issue.  He needs to recognize reality and decline speaking opportunities; he just perpetuates conflict when he steps into the spotlight.
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Wrong, right or indifferent, Pence's career is over!  happy77

I would have said it "Right, wrong or indifferent"  :beer:.  I think you are correct.  He is done as an elected politician. 
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Regardless of the rights and wrongs of it, Pence will never get past this issue.  He needs to recognize reality and decline speaking opportunities; he just perpetuates conflict when he steps into the spotlight.

I agree with you, however, Pence recognizing reality I don't think is going to happen.  He's a career politician and I believe in his mind, as the former VP he deserves a shot at the WH.  What he doesn't understand is that he is now strongly considered part of the establishment and that won't win him any votes.  IF he thinks that Trump's base is going to go quietly into the night, or vote for him because he has an 'R' next to his name on the ballot, he's then delusional. 

Gee, I'll go out on a limb here and say that voters will be given the choice of the usual establishment politicians; Mittens, Pence, and Rubio.  No thank you.
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Hard to believe the rat party, media and a good chunk of the GOP would react so hysterically to a few tens of 000s in a few states. I think you’re wrong.

Fine. Liberal cities still voted liberal. Jussayin.

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I don't think that's right... Without considering equally the white-hot anger against him too. Doesn't matter how many votes he gained if he also caused many to be hardened against him.

Considering the low turnout on both sides in '16... If he also galvanized the left to turn out. and maybe more so against him... That would have to be part of the consideration.
The white hot anger was manufactured by the MSM over years of lies and bullshit. Even opposing viewpoints were derided, and in my experience was held by only a couple of types of people: Youngsters who got their news from social media where it was every bit as fashionable to bash Trump as it was to spew vitriol about Nixon back in the day (in fact, the whole 5 years of hate week reminded me of the jihad against RMH, only without any basis in law or fact). The rest were Hillary fans who are a lost cause anyway.

But what I did see were blacks and Latinos/Hispanics who seriously supported Trump,because they Came out here during an oil boom, made good money in good jobs and proved it could be done. Now, I know this is just one small corner of flyover country, but Trump got 82% of the votes in this county. Unheard of, but real, and this wasn't the highest percentage in the state. The liberal areas in the East we are saddled with, the same people who demand "their share" of oil impact grants for towns which are 350 or more miles from any oil wells over those in the thick of things trying to keep infrastructure together and hire enough sheriff's deputies to take care of things, well those areas went more for Biden than the West (which is typical, we produce, they put their hand out over there), but even then, Trump got 65% of the vote overall in the State and only failed to carry two counties with Indian Reservations, which, for some reason$ I don't under$stand, $eem to vote for Democrat$ pretty con$i$tently.

In other words, in a State with a Republican Legislature and Governor, where people generally work for a living and hold their work ethic dear, even in all but the most Liberal two Counties (out of 53), Trump won handily.

But the white hot hatred you see was an artifact, a product of an Orwellian Hate Week that didn't stop in the media, and the BIG LIE applied over and over to an age group that knows no better.

Fashion follows folly, almost essentially, and is a poor reason for making choices, as I suspect another generation is waking up to as they realize they've been had.
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Wrong, right or indifferent, Pence's career is over!  happy77


So is Trump.
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Regardless of the rights and wrongs of it, Pence will never get past this issue.  He needs to recognize reality and decline speaking opportunities; he just perpetuates conflict when he steps into the spotlight.


For doing the right thing?
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So is Trump.

Sometimes there are those (not many) in this forum who purposefully try to incite and antagonize others. You are successfully trying to do so in liberal fashion.
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Trump put Pence in a lose/lose situation by agitating for Pence to assert authority that does not exist.  Pence did the only thing he could, but yes it effectively ends his career in elective politics; that should be clear just from reading this board.  Pence is also incredibly stupid to talk about being proud of it, that just inflames controversy even more.
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People don't vote based on records. You don't know "normies" very well. It's often just a likability contest, period.

I completely agree with this statement @Weird Tolkienish Figure . Most people can tell you who won American Idol...but not much about politics or civics.
They vote on likability, looks and party identification. And of course (if they listen that closely) what goodies a candidate says he will provide.

It makes me very sad that these folks don't look at the country's welfare.

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Sometimes there are those (not many) in this forum who purposefully try to incite and antagonize others. You are successfully trying to do so in liberal fashion.
Oh he's trying, but not so successfully.

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Sometimes there are those (not many) in this forum who purposefully try to incite and antagonize others. You are successfully trying to do so in liberal fashion.

Hard to believe that have a few here on this thread alone who are card carrying members of the Liz Cheney Fan Club.
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Sometimes there are those (not many) in this forum who purposefully try to incite and antagonize others. You are successfully trying to do so in liberal fashion.


It seems that you are a snowflake and can't handle the truth. 
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Hard to believe that have a few here on this thread alone who are card carrying members of the Liz Cheney Fan Club.


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I completely agree with this statement @Weird Tolkienish Figure . Most people can tell you who won American Idol...but not much about politics or civics.
They vote on likability, looks and party identification. And of course (if they listen that closely) what goodies a candidate says he will provide.

It makes me very sad that these folks don't look at the country's welfare.
The largest segment of the voting public will vote their pocketbook, and I think most did in 2020. That is what Trump promised and indeed provided.

That the election was close enough to steal was entirely because of the Covid shutdown.

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It seems that you are a snowflake and can't handle the truth.
It seems you are twelve and require supervision when on line.

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Go Liz...


Gee I'm so glad that you could weigh in on this issue.  It gives me some insight as to what to expect from you in the future.  Thank you!
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For doing the right thing?

How are you doing the right thing when you ignore parliamentary procedure to achieve the desired result?
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I completely agree with this statement @Weird Tolkienish Figure . Most people can tell you who won American Idol...but not much about politics or civics.
They vote on likability, looks and party identification. And of course (if they listen that closely) what goodies a candidate says he will provide.

It makes me very sad that these folks don't look at the country's welfare.
Unfortunately, that 'likability' is often molded by the hatefests in social media or the MSM, and whether those make any rational sense or not, that religious fervor is contagious among those not innoculated against the lunacy of the MSM and pop culture.
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How are you doing the right thing when you ignore procedure to achieve the desired result?

Pence followed to the letter the only procedure that exists in law.  You can prove me wrong by citing the specific provisions of the law that authorize the President of the Senate to return certified, state-sealed EVs upon the request of legislators.  Just quote in any legal document - The Constitution, the Electoral Count Act of 1887, or Chapter 3 of the Code of Federal Regulations - the written details of the procedure for state legislators recalling EVs from the Joint Session.

I have made that offer to three people on this thread, and the record for proving me wrong is 0 for 3; in fact none of the three batters even took a swing.  Maybe you'll do better.
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I would have said it "Right, wrong or indifferent"  :beer:.  I think you are correct.  He is done as an elected politician.

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I think you put your finger on what is going on.

He KNOWS he is history,so while he still has a little time left in the spot light,he is whoring himself out for cash and book deals while his name is still valuable to the left.
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Pence followed to the letter the only procedure that exists in law.  You can prove me wrong by citing the specific provisions of the law that authorize the President of the Senate to return certified, state-sealed EVs upon the request of legislators.  Just quote in any legal document - The Constitution, the Electoral Count Act of 1887, or Chapter 3 of the Code of Federal Regulations - the written details of the procedure for state legislators recalling EVs from the Joint Session.

I have made that offer to three people on this thread, and the record for proving me wrong is 0 for 3; in fact none of the three batters even took a swing.  Maybe you'll do better.

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So what? Your record,as well as everyone else's "record" on this issue is meaningless. Everybody is either starting out wrong and staying wrong,or starting out right TECHNICALLY,but still wrong because no one in the DNC or the alleged RNC give a damn about right and wrong.

This is a political world of reality being defined as "what you can get away with."

All they care about is getting away with it,and the left flat out got away with stealing the last election.

The Right understands this perfectly,and some are willing to just bend over and grab their ankles while pretending it is ok,and others are outraged MUCH more than usual because they understand there is not one single damn thing they can do about it at this point.

Right and wrong don't even really enter into the conversation.
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