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Re: 12 story condo collapses in Miami. Many feared dead
« Reply #50 on: June 24, 2021, 09:37:41 pm »
Collapsed Miami condo had been sinking into Earth as early as the 1990s, researchers say

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A Florida high-rise that collapsed early Thursday was determined to be unstable a year ago, according to a researcher at Florida International University.

The building, which was constructed in 1981, has been sinking at an alarming rate since the 1990s, according to a study in 2020 by Shimon Wdowinski, a professor in the Department of Earth and Environment.

When Wdowinski saw the news that the Champlain Towers South condominium in Surfside collapsed, he instantly remembered it from the study, he said.

“I looked at it this morning and said, ‘Oh my god.’ We did detect that,” he said.

Wdowinski said his research is not meant to suggest certainty about what caused the collapse. The building was sinking at a rate of about 2 millimeters a year in the 1990s and could have slowed or accelerated in the time since, he said.

In his experience, even the level of sinking observed in the 1990s typically results in impacts to buildings and their structures, Wdowinski said. He said that very well could have been the case for the Champlain building in the 1990s, based on his findings.

“It was a byproduct of analyzing the data. We saw this building had some kind of unusual movement,” Wdowinski said. 

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Re: 12 story condo collapses in Miami. Many feared dead
« Reply #51 on: June 24, 2021, 09:53:53 pm »
Nearby construction may have been a factor?

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Re: 12 story condo collapses in Miami. Many feared dead
« Reply #52 on: June 25, 2021, 12:32:16 am »
Seems unlikely.  Do sinkholes occur on barrier islands?
If they are underlain by carbonate layers (limestone, especially porous limestone), it is a definite possibility.
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Re: 12 story condo collapses in Miami. Many feared dead
« Reply #53 on: June 25, 2021, 02:06:36 am »
If they are underlain by carbonate layers (limestone, especially porous limestone), it is a definite possibility.

Apparently it has been sinking at about 2 mm per year, at least parts of it.

And... The land it is built on is "reclaimed land"...

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Re: 12 story condo collapses in Miami. Many feared dead
« Reply #54 on: June 25, 2021, 02:27:03 am »
Sinkholes in FL are not uncommon in certain areas especially in Central and northern portions of FL.  The bldg and land have had sinking issues for awhile.  Why wouldn't they fix it?  They were bringing the bldg up to code perhaps a little too late.  Very sad
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Re: 12 story condo collapses in Miami. Many feared dead
« Reply #55 on: June 25, 2021, 02:58:16 am »
Sinkholes in FL are not uncommon in certain areas especially in Central and northern portions of FL.  The bldg and land have had sinking issues for awhile.  Why wouldn't they fix it?  They were bringing the bldg up to code perhaps a little too late.  Very sad
I'm not a civil engineer (not even an un-civil one), but I don't know what could be done to stabilize the foundations under a 12 story building. Something smaller like a single family home, perhaps, but 12 stories is a lot of weight.
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Re: 12 story condo collapses in Miami. Many feared dead
« Reply #56 on: June 25, 2021, 07:25:34 am »
The building collapsed as if it were imploded.

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Re: 12 story condo collapses in Miami. Many feared dead
« Reply #57 on: June 25, 2021, 08:42:24 am »
The building collapsed as if it were imploded.
Implosion only removes critical structural support on command.

Failure of the substrate beneath the building could have a similar effect, especially if a sinkhole opened under the foundation.
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Re: 12 story condo collapses in Miami. Many feared dead
« Reply #58 on: June 25, 2021, 11:52:48 am »
Desperate search for Surfside building collapse survivors continues as death toll rises



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As the investigation into the residential building that collapsed in Surfside, Florida, continues, Miami-Dade County Mayor Daniella Levine Cava told ABC News Friday that three more bodies have been pulled from the rubble, bringing the death toll to four.

The three people were found Thursday night and have not yet been identified, the mayor said.

As of Friday morning, 99 people remain unaccounted for, but Cava said there is still hope.

"I do want to emphasize that 102 people have been accounted for and that number is way up from the original count and so we're very, very grateful for the hard work of our firefighters on the scene working throughout the night day and night from above and from below."



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Re: 12 story condo collapses in Miami. Many feared dead
« Reply #59 on: June 25, 2021, 11:55:12 am »
Collapsed Miami condo had been sinking into Earth as early as the 1990s, researchers say


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A Florida high-rise that collapsed early Thursday was determined to be unstable a year ago, according to a researcher at Florida International University.


The building, which was constructed in 1981, has been sinking at an alarming rate since the 1990s, according to a study in 2020 by Shimon Wdowinski, a professor in the Department of Earth and Environment.

When Wdowinski saw the news that the Champlain Towers South condominium in Surfside collapsed, he instantly remembered it from the study, he said.

“I looked at it this morning and said, ‘Oh my god.’ We did detect that,” he said.


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Re: 12 story condo collapses in Miami. Many feared dead
« Reply #60 on: June 25, 2021, 12:11:48 pm »
Death toll in Florida building collapse rises to 4

CNN By Aya Elamroussi and Rosa Flores 6/25/2021

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/25/us/building-collapse-miami-friday/index.html

The death toll from Thursday's collapse of a 12-story residential building in South Florida has risen to four, according to Rachel Johnson, spokesperson for Miami-Dade County mayor's office.

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Re: 12 story condo collapses in Miami. Many feared dead
« Reply #61 on: June 25, 2021, 12:25:24 pm »
Heartbreaking. And yet, countless heroes are willing to put themselves in harms way to rescue that one person who may still be alive. These are the types of people impugned by large swaths of our society.
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Re: 12 story condo collapses in Miami. Many feared dead
« Reply #62 on: June 25, 2021, 02:53:53 pm »
Mom With Broken Pelvis Miraculously Pulls Herself And Daughter Out Of Rubble In Condo Collapse: Report


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A mother with a broken pelvis managed to free herself and her teen daughter from the rubble of the Miami condo collapse, according to a local report.

Angela Gonzalez broke her pelvis after she and her 16-year-old daughter Devon fell from their ninth-floor condo down to the fifth floor, CBS Miami reported. Gonzalez somehow managed to free herself from the debris before pulling Devon out of the rubble as well. The pair were then treated at Jackson Memorial Hospital, according to the report.

Gonzalez’s husband, Edgar, is among the 159 people still unaccounted for, however.

“Hope for the best. Everybody just gives prayers,” family friend Lisa Melencial told CBS Miami. “Everybody else’s families or any colleagues or friends that were in the incidents, I wish you prayers, thoughts … And I hope everybody gets well.”

A 10-year-old boy was also rescued at the scene Thursday after a passerby saw his hand sticking through the rubble.

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Re: 12 story condo collapses in Miami. Many feared dead
« Reply #63 on: June 25, 2021, 09:24:23 pm »
I read today that there is "a clone" of this building that was built several blocks away.

I wonder how the folks in that one feel right now...?

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Re: 12 story condo collapses in Miami. Many feared dead
« Reply #64 on: June 26, 2021, 07:06:27 am »
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Re: 12 story condo collapses in Miami. Many feared dead
« Reply #65 on: June 26, 2021, 10:26:10 am »
I read today that there is "a clone" of this building that was built several blocks away.

I wonder how the folks in that one feel right now...?

Hell, @Fishrrman ... imagine owning a Penthouse in the complex adjacent.  You couldn't give it away.
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Re: 12 story condo collapses in Miami. Many feared dead
« Reply #66 on: June 26, 2021, 04:13:11 pm »
https://nypost.com/2021/06/26/collapsed-florida-building-was-flagged-for-major-structural-damage/

Collapsed Florida building flagged for ‘major structural damage’ in 2018
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June 26, 2021



The partially collapsed Florida condo building, which has left at least four dead and 159 people missing, was flagged as having “major structural damage” in 2018, according to reports.

A lack of proper drainage on the pool deck of Champlain Towers South condo, which sits above the building’s parking garage, was the source of the “main issue,” wrote engineer Frank Morabito, according to the Miami Herald.

Years of standing water had seriously damaged the concrete structural slabs below the deck, a problem Morabito warned would be “extremely expensive” to fix.

“Failure to replace waterproofing in the near future will cause the extent of the concrete deterioration to expand exponentially,” Morabito said in his “Structural Field Survey Report,” which was produced for the Condominium Association.

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Re: 12 story condo collapses in Miami. Many feared dead
« Reply #67 on: June 26, 2021, 09:09:26 pm »
Apparently it did have an underground parking garage. I'm guessing the pool was on the roof and the damaged caused by that was near the top of the building. From the video it looked like the failure started at the bottom and not the top.

Edit - apparently the pool was around/over part of the parking garage.
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Re: 12 story condo collapses in Miami. Many feared dead
« Reply #68 on: June 26, 2021, 11:41:07 pm »
I saw on tonight's news there's a fire burning somewhere in the rubble, cause unknown. So they're trying to put that out while they continue searching for survivors and victims.  **nononono*
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Re: 12 story condo collapses in Miami. Many feared dead
« Reply #69 on: June 26, 2021, 11:57:05 pm »
Death toll from Florida condo collapse rises to 5


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The death toll from the Surfside, Florida, building collapse has risen to five after rescue workers pulled another body from the rubble, Miami-Dade Mayor Daniella Levine Cava (D) said Saturday.

The latest: Miami-Dade Fire Rescue Chief Alan Cominsky said Saturday afternoon that shifting winds spread smoke, which made it hard for first responders to breathe and to see, per the Miami Herald.





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Residents had also been complaining of water that was coming through their windows and balcony doors. Morabito noted that balcony concrete was deteriorating due to water infiltration, and because of this he said balcony slab edges needed to be "further investigated and repaired."



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Re: 12 story condo collapses in Miami. Many feared dead
« Reply #71 on: June 27, 2021, 12:22:20 am »
Miami building collapse: Engineer warned of ‘major structural damage’ three years ago
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/miami-building-collapse-surfside-latest-b1873268.html

Report detailed ‘abundant cracking’ at base of the building and urged action

An engineer’s report found evidence of “major structural damage” at a residential condominium complex near Miami three years before its fatal collapse earlier this week.

Rescue teams are working around the clock to search for survivors at the site of the Champlain Towers South condominium complex in Surfside, Florida. At least 159 people are missing...
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Re: 12 story condo collapses in Miami. Many feared dead
« Reply #72 on: June 27, 2021, 12:50:52 am »
List of names of people missing


https://news.yahoo.com/search-continues-people-missing-surfside-191558226.html
The building seemed to cater to a particular ethnicity. Not sure what kinds of names those are but they are unusual to me.

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« Reply #73 on: June 27, 2021, 12:56:02 am »
The building seemed to cater to a particular ethnicity. Not sure what kinds of names those are but they are unusual to me.

I read that over 20 (of the missing) were Jewish.
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Re: 12 story condo collapses in Miami. Many feared dead
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