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Re: 12 story condo collapses in Miami. Many feared dead
« Reply #75 on: June 27, 2021, 11:54:01 am »
I read that over 20 (of the missing) were Jewish.


Seems like more than that according to this article

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The area is more than a third Jewish, with a large Orthodox population.


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The area is more than a third Jewish. In total, North Beach has more than 14,000 residents and more than 5,000 Jews, according to Ira Sheskin, who authored a 2014 Jewish population study on the greater Miami area.

Jews began arriving in significant numbers in the 1950s after widespread antisemitic discrimination from local establishments started to fade. Now an area where a hotel once advertised itself with the slogan “Always a view, never a Jew” is home to vibrant, observant Jewish life.

Miami Beach is freckled with synagogues and kosher restaurants. The Jews of North Beach, in particular, are more observant than American Jews as a whole, according to Sheskin. They’re 34% Orthodox, 24% Conservative, 18% Reform and 24% “just Jewish.” By contrast, American Jews more generally are about 10% Orthodox.



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Re: 12 story condo collapses in Miami. Many feared dead
« Reply #76 on: June 27, 2021, 12:47:37 pm »
Inspection reports for collapsed Miami-area condo detail 'major structural damage' over garage

USA TODAY by Elizabeth Weise and Kyle Bagenstose 6/26/2021

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/06/26/miami-condo-collapse-inspection-reports-concrete-deterioration-surfside/5355975001/

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Engineers noted design flaws and failing waterproofing that would lead to "exponential damage" about 990 days before much of the Champlain Towers South condominium complex collapsed, documents released late Friday night show. The town of Surfside, Florida, released the documents including an "unverified" 40-year inspection report that had been received 16 hours after the building's catastrophic failure.

A letter to the condominium association's treasurer on Oct. 8, 2018, included pages of recommended repairs. One warned of failed waterproofing causing "major structural damage" on a concrete slab over a garage and said "Failure to replace the waterproofing in the near future will cause the extent of the concrete damage to expand exponentially."

The author warned that the design was faulty, replacement would be complicated, and called it a "systemic issue." Areas underneath planters and pools were specifically mentioned in the report. The pool remained largely intact after the collapse.

The inspection report from Oct. 8, 2018, found "abundant" cracking and spalling of the columns, beams and walls in the garage under the tower that fell to the ground early Thursday, killing at least four people and leaving 159 others unaccounted for. Spalling refers to the deterioration of concrete, sometime causing flaking and the exposure of reinforcing steel bars known as rebar.

"Abundant cracking and spalling of varying degrees were observed in the concrete columns, beams and walls" of the ground floor parking garage, according to a structural field survey report by Morabito Consultants.

It appears plans to correct these problems were not solidified until April of this year, despite the original report having been issued in October 2018.

“Though some of this damage is minor, most of the concrete deterioration needs to be repaired in a timely fashion,” the report noted.

What caused the cracking isn't known, said John Wallace, a professor of structural engineering at the University of California, Los Angeles.

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Re: 12 story condo collapses in Miami. Many feared dead
« Reply #77 on: June 27, 2021, 01:46:00 pm »
"Engineers noted design flaws and failing waterproofing that would lead to "exponential damage" about 990 days before much of the Champlain Towers South condominium complex collapsed, documents released late Friday night show. The town of Surfside, Florida, released the documents including an "unverified" 40-year inspection report that had been received 16 hours after the building's catastrophic failure."

Has anyone looked over "Champlain Towers North" (looks to be a clone of the building that collapsed) and "Champlain Towers East" (a "sister building", probably built at the same time with similar construction techniques and materials) just a short distance north of the collapse?

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Re: 12 story condo collapses in Miami. Many feared dead
« Reply #78 on: June 27, 2021, 03:15:42 pm »


Has anyone looked over "Champlain Towers North" (looks to be a clone of the building that collapsed) and "Champlain Towers East" (a "sister building", probably built at the same time with similar construction techniques and materials) just a short distance north of the collapse?

I can’t recall which news outlet it was, but the report said the sister buildings were being inspected and are ~12 years younger than the collapsed building.
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Re: 12 story condo collapses in Miami. Many feared dead
« Reply #79 on: June 27, 2021, 04:31:24 pm »
Florida family gets 16 calls from grandparents who remain unaccounted for in condo collapse
'We are trying to rationalize what is happening here, we are trying to get answers,' grandson of missing Surfside couple says


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Re: 12 story condo collapses in Miami. Many feared dead
« Reply #80 on: June 27, 2021, 05:32:46 pm »
Building Inspector Was On Roof Of Florida Condo Just Hours Before It Collapsed


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June 26, 2021 12:11 PM ET


Surfside’s building official was on the roof of the collapsed condominium mere 14 hours before the accident, the official said at the town’s Friday emergency meeting.

Jim McGuinness was inspecting the replacement of roof anchors, which are used to secure window cleaners when attached to their equipment. McGuiness claimed that he had seen “no inordinate amount of equipment or materials” that could have resulted in the collapse, The Palm Beach Post reported.


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Re: 12 story condo collapses in Miami. Many feared dead
« Reply #81 on: June 27, 2021, 05:36:13 pm »
Has anyone looked over "Champlain Towers North" ...

Mayor eyes relocation plan for condo near collapsed building
https://apnews.com/article/fl-state-wire-business-038431368e29b1d3c2729e11e7e536ab
The mayor of Surfside, Florida, said Saturday he is working on a plan to temporarily relocate residents of a condominium tower built by the same developer of the nearby building that collapsed earlier in the week.

But Mayor Charles Burkett said he was not yet prepared to order everyone in the building to evacuate.

Burkett had sought an emergency inspection of Champlain Towers North, which was constructed the same year and by the same developer as the crumbled 12-story Champlain Towers South. It sits about 100 yards (about 91 meters) away, along Collins Avenue, which runs parallel to the Atlantic Ocean north of downtown Miami.

Until then, Burkett had said, he couldn’t tell residents whether they’re safe in their homes.

“I know that the identical building collapsed for an inexplicable reason,” Burkett said. “Buildings in the United States do not just fall down... Something very, very wrong was going on at that building and we need to find out.”

Asked what he would do if he lived in the collapsed building’s twin, Burkett said: “I’d be gone.”

The mayor stopped short of saying he would order residents to evacuate....
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Re: 12 story condo collapses in Miami. Many feared dead
« Reply #82 on: June 28, 2021, 01:32:28 pm »
Developer Of Collapsed Miami Condo Once Allegedly Paid Off Officials
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« Reply #83 on: June 28, 2021, 05:39:26 pm »
Specialist Rescue Team of Israeli Reservists Work Around the Clock at Collapsed Florida Condo
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Re: 12 story condo collapses in Miami. Many feared dead
« Reply #84 on: June 28, 2021, 06:48:41 pm »
 UConn pitcher Justin Willis: How I escaped from terrifying Florida condo collapse
By Jared Greenspan
June 28, 2021 | 2:21pm
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A college baseball standout from New Jersey was among the survivors of last week’s disastrous building collapse in South Florida.

UConn pitcher Justin Willis was staying at the Champlain Towers condominium complex in Surfside, Florida, with his family on a vacation. Willis described being up late playing video games with his sister, Athena Aguero, when they felt their apartment shake. Shortly after 1 a.m. on Thursday, a wing of the high-rise building collapsed, leaving at least 10 dead and more than 150 missing. ...

Willis and his family said their harrowing escape from the building took 15 minutes and they were able to help several other residents on the way downstairs. When Willis’ family reached the sixth floor, they heard a group of people frantically banging on a jammed fire door. Willis’ mom, Janette Aguero, managed to pry the door loose.

Minutes later, on the third floor, the family encountered an elderly woman praying in Spanish by herself. They helped lead the woman to safety, assisting her through the flooded garage and over a parade of broken tiles. The family at last escaped the building at 1:38 a.m., according to a photo Willis took on his phone. ...
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« Reply #85 on: June 28, 2021, 07:41:10 pm »
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It ‘Started From The Bottom’: New Details Emerge As Miami Building Collapse Death Toll Climbs, Attention Turns To Developer
By  Emily Zanotti
Jun 28, 2021   DailyWire.com

A condominium building that collapsed near Miami, Florida, last week may have had longstanding structural issues leading to a disaster that “started from the bottom” of the building according to officials who still remain hopeful despite the incident’s climbing death count.

Attention has also turned toward the building’s developer amid reports that the developer was once accused of “paying off officials,” according to Fox News. ...

As officials clear the rubble and speak to both survivors and those connected to the missing, they are beginning to piece precisely how a quarter of the Champlain Towers “pancaked” in on itself with nearly no warning.

“It does appear to start either at or very near the bottom of the structure,” a consulting engineer who is not affiliated with the search and rescue operation told the New York Times. “It’s not like there’s a failure high and it pancaked down.”

Engineers, though, told the New York Times, that such a collapse could not have occurred without a triggering failure.  ...
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Re: 12 story condo collapses in Miami. Many feared dead
« Reply #86 on: June 28, 2021, 08:07:55 pm »
Possible Failure Point Emerges in Miami-Area Building Collapse
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/27/us/miami-building-investigation-clues.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

The investigation into what may be the deadliest accidental building collapse in American history has just begun, but experts who have examined video footage of the disaster outside Miami are focusing on a spot in the lowest part of the condominium complex — possibly in or below the underground parking garage — where an initial failure could have set off a structural avalanche.

Called “progressive collapse,” the gradual spread of failures could have occurred for a variety of reasons, including design flaws or the less robust construction allowed under the building codes of four decades ago, when the complex was built. But that progression could not have occurred without some critical first failure, and close inspections of a grainy surveillance video that emerged in the initial hours after the disaster have given the first hints of where that might have been.

“It does appear to start either at or very near the bottom of the structure,” said Donald O. Dusenberry, a consulting engineer who has investigated many structural collapses. “It’s not like there’s a failure high and it pancaked down.”...

...But three years before the deadly collapse, a consultant found alarming evidence of “major structural damage” to the concrete slab below the pool deck and “abundant” cracking and crumbling of the columns, beams and walls of the parking garage under the building.

While no definitive conclusions could be drawn from the surveillance video, which was shot from a distance and reveals only one perspective of the disaster, some of the engineers reviewing it last week said it seemed to suggest that the failure began at a specific point near the bottom of the structure — perhaps as far down as the parking garage beneath the building, or on the first few floors....
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Re: 12 story condo collapses in Miami. Many feared dead
« Reply #87 on: June 28, 2021, 08:49:31 pm »
It appears the building collapsed into a void.
Solution voids at depth could be breached by percolation of groundwater, similar to any ordinary Karst collapse and sinkhole development.
 If such voids exist under other buildings in the area, they are at risk.

Shallow seismic or GPR surveys may indicate the presence of any such voids, in time to fill them with grout to support the buildings before any failure occurs. 

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Re: 12 story condo collapses in Miami. Many feared dead
« Reply #89 on: June 28, 2021, 09:11:47 pm »

https://twitter.com/MiamiDadeFire/status/1408177688515428353
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« Reply #90 on: June 28, 2021, 09:18:32 pm »
It takes a lot of balls to willingly put yourself in such a dangerous situation to help people you have never met. Our Firemen, Police and other First Responders deserve so much more respect and yet all the left wants to denigrate them, and in the case of Police................kill them.
Yep. I was looking at the number of guys standing under those spindly looking shoring pillars and thinking "Those guys clank when they walk".
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Re: 12 story condo collapses in Miami. Many feared dead
« Reply #91 on: June 28, 2021, 11:52:51 pm »
Leaky pool caused ‘major structural damage’ at collapsed Florida building
By Jack Hobbs
June 26, 2021 | 7:45am


The partially collapsed Florida condo building, which has left at least four dead and 159 people missing, was flagged as having “major structural damage” in 2018 caused by a leaky pool, according to reports.

A lack of proper drainage on the pool deck of Champlain Towers South condo, which sits above the building’s parking garage, was the source of the “main issue,” wrote engineer Frank Morabito, according to the Miami Herald.

Years of standing water had seriously damaged the concrete structural slabs below the deck, a problem Morabito warned would be “extremely expensive” to fix. ... More at NY Post
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Re: 12 story condo collapses in Miami. Many feared dead
« Reply #92 on: June 29, 2021, 12:13:08 am »
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Two days before condo collapse, a pool contractor photographed this damage in garage
By Sarah Blaskey andAaron Leibowitz
June 28, 2021 04:28 PM, Updated 1 hour 42 minutes ago
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There was nothing unusual about the lobby and pool area at Champlain Towers South condo, which looked clean and well maintained to a commercial pool contractor who visited the building last Tuesday, just 36 hours before half of the building unexpectedly collapsed. Then, he saw the basement-level garage.

“There was standing water all over the parking garage,” the contractor, who asked not to be named, told the Miami Herald. He noted cracking concrete and severely corroded rebar under the pool.

He also took photos, which he shared with the Herald.  ...
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« Reply #93 on: June 29, 2021, 12:29:33 am »
Death toll hits 11 in Champlain condo collapse on fifth day of search for 150 missing

The fifth day of an unprecedented international rescue effort brought only grim news: two more bodies were pulled from the twisted metal-and-concrete ruins of Champlain Towers South, raising the death toll on Monday to 11 and dimming prospects of finding survivors.

The announcement Monday night of the latest body to be discovered means that 150 people remain unaccounted for in what could become one of the nation’s deadliest mass-casualty events.

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« Reply #94 on: June 29, 2021, 12:30:11 am »
I had a nightmare about this last night.
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Re: 12 story condo collapses in Miami. Many feared dead
« Reply #95 on: June 29, 2021, 12:44:39 am »
Israel Defense Force Deployed to Help with Florida Condo Collapse Choose Tents over Free Hotel Rooms
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/06/28/israel-defense-force-deployed-to-help-with-florida-condo-collapse-choose-tents-over-free-hotel-rooms/
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Re: 12 story condo collapses in Miami. Many feared dead
« Reply #96 on: June 29, 2021, 12:46:05 am »
Death toll hits 11 in Champlain condo collapse on fifth day of search for 150 missing

The fifth day of an unprecedented international rescue effort brought only grim news: two more bodies were pulled from the twisted metal-and-concrete ruins of Champlain Towers South, raising the death toll on Monday to 11 and dimming prospects of finding survivors.

The announcement Monday night of the latest body to be discovered means that 150 people remain unaccounted for in what could become one of the nation’s deadliest mass-casualty events.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/miami-beach/article252414358.html

So sad especially since this could have and should have been avoided.  Failure to make the necessary repairs and bring the building up to code appears to be them not wanting to spend the money.  It's been a couple of years since the integrity of the condo was assessed --- I see many lawsuits coming.

I haven't been able to confirm if the sister condo has been evacuated???
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Re: 12 story condo collapses in Miami. Many feared dead
« Reply #97 on: June 29, 2021, 12:48:20 am »
Israel Defense Force Deployed to Help with Florida Condo Collapse Choose Tents over Free Hotel Rooms
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/06/28/israel-defense-force-deployed-to-help-with-florida-condo-collapse-choose-tents-over-free-hotel-rooms/

Simply amazing! 'Incredible' to see IDF delegation arrive, those from the Jewish community begged for Israelis to come,' Bal Harbour's Mayor Groisman says.
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Re: 12 story condo collapses in Miami. Many feared dead
« Reply #98 on: June 29, 2021, 01:25:30 am »
Israel Defense Force Deployed to Help with Florida Condo Collapse Choose Tents over Free Hotel Rooms
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/06/28/israel-defense-force-deployed-to-help-with-florida-condo-collapse-choose-tents-over-free-hotel-rooms/

Hamas must have some experience with digging out from collapsed buildings.  I'm sure they will show up any minute now.

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Re: 12 story condo collapses in Miami. Many feared dead
« Reply #99 on: June 29, 2021, 09:50:10 am »
"Engineers noted design flaws and failing waterproofing that would lead to "exponential damage" about 990 days before much of the Champlain Towers South condominium complex collapsed, documents released late Friday night show. The town of Surfside, Florida, released the documents including an "unverified" 40-year inspection report that had been received 16 hours after the building's catastrophic failure."

Has anyone looked over "Champlain Towers North" (looks to be a clone of the building that collapsed) and "Champlain Towers East" (a "sister building", probably built at the same time with similar construction techniques and materials) just a short distance north of the collapse?

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In collapsed building's twin, most residents are staying put
AP, Jun 29, 2021

SURFSIDE, Fla. (AP) — About a block from the Miami-area beachfront condominium tower that collapsed sits its sister building, erected a year later by the same company, using the same materials and a similar design. It has faced the same tides and salty air.

This has made some residents of Champlain Towers North worried enough to leave, though most have remained, saying they are confident their almost 40-year-old, 12-story building is better maintained. They say their building doesn't have the same problems with cracking in support beams and in the pool area that 2018 engineering reports show the south tower had.

More:  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/in-collapsed-buildings-twin-most-residents-are-staying-put/ar-AALzlGR?li=BBnb7Kz