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Mike Pence Heckled at Summit With Chants of ‘Traitor!’ (VIDEO)
June 18, 2021
Written by Martin Walsh



Mike Pence had no problem betraying Trump and the millions of Americans who voted for him by certifying the 2020 election.

And he’s still paying the price for it.

While speaking on Friday at the Conservative Faith & Freedom Conference, Pence was drowned out by hecklers chanting “traitor!”

Pence ignored the protesters and continued to speak over them, “I’m a Christian, a conservative, and a Republican, in that order.”

One woman who yelled “traitor!” was escorted out of the conference.

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Re: Mike Pence Heckled at Summit With Chants of ‘Traitor!’ (VIDEO)
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2021, 07:35:35 pm »
For what? I swear, "conservatives" are the dumbest people sometimes. Really, really stupid.

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Re: Mike Pence Heckled at Summit With Chants of ‘Traitor!’ (VIDEO)
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2021, 07:53:20 pm »
Every one of those chanting, heckling idiots needs to receive a copy of the American Spectator article posted on this board a few days ago.

https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,439921.msg2445574.html#msg2445574

The continued assertion that Pence had any authority to de-certify EVs which the states had certified is Constitutionally ignorant and politically foolish; he would have given every D VP one more mechanism to cheat an election.  In fact Harris can now try that in 2025 to reject R EVs and point to R voters' own support for the idea.

Apparently it's not only the elected R leadership that make it "the stupid party."
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Re: Mike Pence Heckled at Summit With Chants of ‘Traitor!’ (VIDEO)
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2021, 08:34:04 pm »
Every one of those chanting, heckling idiots needs to receive a copy of the American Spectator article posted on this board a few days ago.

https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,439921.msg2445574.html#msg2445574

The continued assertion that Pence had any authority to de-certify EVs ..

Ah, no one asserted Pence had the authority to decerty electors.  No one.

Pence did, however, have the authority to challenge the electors.  Instead, he shut down debate and ignored detailed letters from five (5) state legislators asking him for time to review election results.

All Pence had to do was honor these requests and send their certified electors back to the legislators for review, as requested by the ones solely responsible for chosing the electors --- as per the US Constitution.

This action alone (and we'll ignore his pattern through four years) illustrates that Pence is a coward, rooted in the deep state, and is unfit to claim the mantle of MAGA. 

Rather than try and split the Republican Party further, and experience a humiliating defeat, he should return to his new muli-million dollar home in Indiana and get the hell off the stage.


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Re: Mike Pence Heckled at Summit With Chants of ‘Traitor!’ (VIDEO)
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2021, 08:42:14 pm »
Go home, Pence. 

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State lawmakers ask Pence for more time to address election results
PR Newswire, Jan 5, 2021

Lawmakers from key battleground states wish to review irregularities and legal violations

Election integrity watchdog Got Freedom? releases new summary of election irregularities and lawlessness

AMHERST, Va., Jan. 5, 2021 /PRNewswire/ -- Scores of state lawmakers from the pivotal presidential battleground states of Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin have signed a letter asking Vice President Mike Pence to delay the congressional acceptance of Electoral College votes for at least 10 days after January 6.

The legislators assert that they need the extra time to review "an unprecedented and admitted defiance of state law and procedural irregularities raising questions about the validity of hundreds of thousands of ballots," which could necessitate that they decertify their states' current slates of presidential electors.

A new summary of election irregularities, titled "Bought and Sold for Big Tech Gold: How an Unprecedented Private-Public Partnership Subverted the 2020 Election," is being sent separately to Members of Congress by Phill Kline, director of Got Freedom?, a 501(c)4 nonprofit focused on election integrity. Further information about the evidence contained in that document can be found at: https://got-freedom.org/evidence/.

"These elected officials are not asking Mike Pence to overturn the election results, and they're certainly not trying to subvert our democracy," said Kline. "Rather, they're simply requesting that they be allowed to perform the role required of them by the Constitution — an opportunity that in some cases has been actively denied by their own governors."

The letter was signed by 88 lawmakers, with more signing on by the hour, and similar letters have been signed by other legislators in the swing states, bringing the total to well over 100 total signatories.

The letter notes that while January 6 is the date established by federal law for Congress to accept and count Electoral College votes, an even higher authority — the U.S. Constitution — supersedes this deadline because it assigns ultimate authority over elections to the state legislatures, many of which have not had an opportunity to convene since Election Day.

"We intend on fulfilling our oaths of office by properly investigating and determining whether the election should be certified, or decertified, by our respective state legislatures," the lawmakers state. "Additional time must be afforded for the legislatures to meet and for state legislators to fulfill their constitutional duties."

The extra time they are requesting will not interfere with the constitutionally-imposed deadline of noon on January 20, the letter points out, arguing that adherence to the Constitution should take precedence over procedural deadlines set by federal law.


More: https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/state-lawmakers-ask-pence-for-more-time-to-address-election-results-301201577.html

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Re: Mike Pence Heckled at Summit With Chants of ‘Traitor!’ (VIDEO)
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2021, 08:57:51 pm »
If a state legislator(s) declares something stinks in Denmark and they need 10 days to review and recertify their electors, who the hell is Mike Pence --- or anyone ---  to deny them their sole right and responsibiity as per the US Constitution?


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Re: Mike Pence Heckled at Summit With Chants of ‘Traitor!’ (VIDEO)
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2021, 08:58:52 pm »
For what? I swear, "conservatives" are the dumbest people sometimes. Really, really stupid.

Could it be time you read the Constituion? 

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Re: Mike Pence Heckled at Summit With Chants of ‘Traitor!’ (VIDEO)
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2021, 08:59:17 pm »
Pence did, however, have the authority to challenge the electors.
Please cite the part of the Twelfth Amendment or the Electoral Vote Count Act of 1887 that grants this authority to the President of the Senate.
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Instead, he shut down debate and ignored detailed letters from five (5) state legislators asking him for time to review election results.

All Pence had to do was honor these requests and send their certified electors back to the legislators for review, as requested by the ones solely responsible for chosing the electors --- as per the US Constitution.
"The ones solely responsible for choosing the electors --- as per the US Constitution" actually chose the electors.  That's what "certified" means.  Requests made by individual legislators are irrelevant.  No provision exists in the US Constitution to honor such requests, and I'll bet you money that no state law or state Constitution recognizes the validity of such requests.  The sole authority to determine that EVs are to be counted is the authority of the state to certify the EVs and all had been certified; full stop.  Some of them should not have been certified IMO, but they were.
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This action alone (and we'll ignore his pattern through four years) illustrates that Pence is a coward, rooted in the deep state, and is unfit to claim the mantle of MAGA. 

Rather than try and split the Republican Party further, and experience a humiliating defeat, he should return to his new muli-million dollar home in Indiana and get the hell off the stage.
You can malign Pence all you want to, it simply demonstrates that you refuse to think honestly about this.  Your position would empower Kamala Harris to solicit requests from D state legislators in any state which certified R EVs, and to send those EVs back to those states.  I don't put it past her to try something like that, and if she does we'll have you and others taking the same deluded, myopic position to thank for it.
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Re: Mike Pence Heckled at Summit With Chants of ‘Traitor!’ (VIDEO)
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2021, 08:59:51 pm »
Every one of those chanting, heckling idiots needs to receive a copy of the American Spectator article posted on this board a few days ago.

https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,439921.msg2445574.html#msg2445574

The continued assertion that Pence had any authority to de-certify EVs which the states had certified is Constitutionally ignorant and politically foolish; he would have given every D VP one more mechanism to cheat an election.  In fact Harris can now try that in 2025 to reject R EVs and point to R voters' own support for the idea.

Apparently it's not only the elected R leadership that make it "the stupid party."

It is my understanding that Pence's role or authority was to certify votes, BUT prior to certification he is to ask if there are any objections (and there most certainly was). At that point in time, it IS his duty to ensure that IF there were any objections to take up a vote in the Senate and the House.  That is what I believe both Cruz and Hawley were trying to accomplish; objecting to the fraudulent votes.

Not necessarily overturning the election but ensuring the votes adhered to the electoral process per the Constitution.

I am not a constitutional scholar by any means, but I don't see that Pence completely did his job; he took the easy way out.
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Re: Mike Pence Heckled at Summit With Chants of ‘Traitor!’ (VIDEO)
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2021, 09:00:29 pm »
Ah, no one asserted Pence had the authority to decerty electors.  No one.

Pence did, however, have the authority to challenge the electors.  Instead, he shut down debate and ignored detailed letters from five (5) state legislators asking him for time to review election results.

All Pence had to do was honor these requests and send their certified electors back to the legislators for review, as requested by the ones solely responsible for chosing the electors --- as per the US Constitution.

This action alone (and we'll ignore his pattern through four years) illustrates that Pence is a coward, rooted in the deep state, and is unfit to claim the mantle of MAGA. 

Rather than try and split the Republican Party further, and experience a humiliating defeat, he should return to his new muli-million dollar home in Indiana and get the hell off the stage.

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Re: Mike Pence Heckled at Summit With Chants of ‘Traitor!’ (VIDEO)
« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2021, 09:03:13 pm »
Could it be time you read the Constituion?

Why do we have so many Anti-Americans in America?  All the flu shots change people's beliefs?  Behaviors?  That was tried in another country.  Change their behaviors using some 'flu shot'.   

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Re: Mike Pence Heckled at Summit With Chants of ‘Traitor!’ (VIDEO)
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2021, 09:11:19 pm »
Please cite the part of the Twelfth Amendment or the Electoral Vote Count Act of 1887 that grants this authority to the President of the Senate."The ones solely responsible for choosing the electors --- as per the US Constitution" actually chose the electors.

You inadvertently hit the nail on the head.  The President of the Senate is performing a clerical task of recording electors certfied by those with the Constitutional power to do so. 

If those with the Constitutional power to do so question the legality of the certification -- and request time to review the certification before the clerical recording is completed -- who the hell is the President of the Senate to deny the request? 


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« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2021, 09:31:48 pm »
You inadvertently hit the nail on the head.  The President of the Senate is performing a clerical task of recording electors certfied by those with the Constitutional power to do so.
And he carried out exactly that clerical task.  All the EVs had been certified by "those with the Constitutional power to do so."  If you argue that Pence had any authority to deviate from those certifications then you need to provide a reference for that authority.  You have not.
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If those with the Constitutional power to do so question the legality of the certification -- and request time to review the certification before the clerical recording is comleted -- who the hell is the President of the Senate to deny the request?
They didn't.  Individual legislators do not have the Constitutional authority to challenge what the Legislatures of their states have done.  Had the State Legislature of PA or some other state passed a resolution or taken some other legal action then you might have a case.  But the requests of individual legislators do not make that case.  The blunt truth is that those legislators were asleep at the switch when they allowed sloppy and dishonest election procedures and again when they allowed the EVs to be certified.

However since you believe that individual legislators do have this authority, and that the President of the Senate also has the authority to deviate from what each state has certified, what will you say in 2025 when D state legislators from states with certified R EVs "request" that Kamala Harris return those EVs to those states?  They will all be completely within their legitimate authority, won't they?  And if such a state has a D majority state legislature, it will be completely empowered to send back a D slate of EVs instead, without regard for the previous certification, won't it?
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Re: Mike Pence Heckled at Summit With Chants of ‘Traitor!’ (VIDEO)
« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2021, 09:40:01 pm »
Every one of those chanting, heckling idiots needs to receive a copy of the American Spectator article posted on this board a few days ago.

https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,439921.msg2445574.html#msg2445574

The continued assertion that Pence had any authority to de-certify EVs which the states had certified is Constitutionally ignorant and politically foolish; he would have given every D VP one more mechanism to cheat an election.  In fact Harris can now try that in 2025 to reject R EVs and point to R voters' own support for the idea.


Then the American Spectator is wrong, too.

The Rodents can challenge electors all they want.

it doesn't mean a thing when the electors are honestly and lawfully selected.

The only people around dishonestly violating the Constitutional requirements regarding Electors is the Rodents, as they did so many times in 2020.

Pence not only could have challenged those electors, he had a sworn constitutional duty to so challenge them because they were, in fact, fraudulent electors.

How can the Rodent VP challenge the electors in a presidential election when it's only their own party that engages in vote fraud and electoral college fraud?



Apparently it's not only the elected R leadership that make it "the stupid party."
The GOP is not the party leadership.  The GOP is the party MEMBERSHIP.   The members need to kick the leaders out if they leaders are going the wrong way.  No coddling allowed.

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Re: Mike Pence Heckled at Summit With Chants of ‘Traitor!’ (VIDEO)
« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2021, 09:43:29 pm »
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3 U.S. Code § 15 - Counting electoral votes in Congress

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Congress shall be in session on the sixth day of January succeeding every meeting of the electors. The Senate and House of Representatives shall meet in the Hall of the House of Representatives at the hour of 1 o’clock in the afternoon on that day, and the President of the Senate shall be their presiding officer. Two tellers shall be previously appointed on the part of the Senate and two on the part of the House of Representatives, to whom shall be handed, as they are opened by the President of the Senate, all the certificates and papers purporting to be certificates of the electoral votes, which certificates and papers shall be opened, presented, and acted upon in the alphabetical order of the States, beginning with the letter A; and said tellers, having then read the same in the presence and hearing of the two Houses, shall make a list of the votes as they shall appear from the said certificates; and the votes having been ascertained and counted according to the rules in this subchapter provided, the result of the same shall be delivered to the President of the Senate, who shall thereupon announce the state of the vote, which announcement shall be deemed a sufficient declaration of the persons, if any, elected President and Vice President of the United States, and, together with a list of the votes, be entered on the Journals of the two Houses. Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper, the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any. Every objection shall be made in writing, and shall state clearly and concisely, and without argument, the ground thereof, and shall be signed by at least one Senator and one Member of the House of Representatives before the same shall be received. When all objections so made to any vote or paper from a State shall have been received and read, the Senate shall thereupon withdraw, and such objections shall be submitted to the Senate for its decision; and the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, in like manner, submit such objections to the House of Representatives for its decision; and no electoral vote or votes from any State which shall have been regularly given by electors whose appointment has been lawfully certified to according to section 6 of this title from which but one return has been received shall be rejected, but the two Houses concurrently may reject the vote or votes when they agree that such vote or votes have not been so regularly given by electors whose appointment has been so certified. If more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State shall have been received by the President of the Senate, those votes, and those only, shall be counted which shall have been regularly given by the electors who are shown by the determination mentioned in section 5 of this title to have been appointed, if the determination in said section provided for shall have been made, or by such successors or substitutes, in case of a vacancy in the board of electors so ascertained, as have been appointed to fill such vacancy in the mode provided by the laws of the State; but in case there shall arise the question which of two or more of such State authorities determining what electors have been appointed, as mentioned in section 5 of this title, is the lawful tribunal of such State, the votes regularly given of those electors, and those only, of such State shall be counted whose title as electors the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide is supported by the decision of such State so authorized by its law; and in such case of more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State, if there shall have been no such determination of the question in the State aforesaid, then those votes, and those only, shall be counted which the two Houses shall concurrently decide were cast by lawful electors appointed in accordance with the laws of the State, unless the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide such votes not to be the lawful votes of the legally appointed electors of such State. But if the two Houses shall disagree in respect of the counting of such votes, then, and in that case, the votes of the electors whose appointment shall have been certified by the executive of the State, under the seal thereof, shall be counted. When the two Houses have voted, they shall immediately again meet, and the presiding officer shall then announce the decision of the questions submitted. No votes or papers from any other State shall be acted upon until the objections previously made to the votes or papers from any State shall have been finally disposed of.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 644, 62 Stat. 675.)

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/3/15
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Re: Mike Pence Heckled at Summit With Chants of ‘Traitor!’ (VIDEO)
« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2021, 09:54:01 pm »
You inadvertently hit the nail on the head.  The President of the Senate is performing a clerical task of recording electors certfied by those with the Constitutional power to do so. 

If those with the Constitutional power to do so question the legality of the certification -- and request time to review the certification before the clerical recording is completed -- who the hell is the President of the Senate to deny the request? 


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The Vice President is the President of the Senate and as such is more than a mere clerk.  Pence could have, and should have, refused to accept the count as valid.   

It's his task to count the ballots.   

Pence decided to be a Rubber Stamp for the RINOs and Rodents who hate America.

He was rightfully called traitor because that's what he is.

He's no conservative, he allowed a fraudulent vote to proceed with no objection.

He's no Christian, he violated his oath before his God to defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign an domestic.

And he's no "Republican" unless he adds the "in Name Only" part, too.

he's just a traitor and his political advancement committed suicide on January 6 as neatly as if he'd met some of Hillary's employees on their way back from Epstein's jail cell.
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« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2021, 09:54:54 pm »
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3 U.S. Code § 15 - Counting electoral votes in Congress

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 Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper, the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any. Every objection shall be made in writing, and shall state clearly and concisely, and without argument, the ground thereof, and shall be signed by at least one Senator and one Member of the House of Representatives before the same shall be received.
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When the two Houses have voted, they shall immediately again meet, and the presiding officer shall then announce the decision of the questions submitted. No votes or papers from any other State shall be acted upon until the objections previously made to the votes or papers from any State shall have been finally disposed of.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 644, 62 Stat. 675.)

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/3/15

These provisions were followed while counting the 2020 EVs.  Written objections were submitted to the EVs of AZ and of PA.  Neither House nor Senate sustained those objections.
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Re: Mike Pence Heckled at Summit With Chants of ‘Traitor!’ (VIDEO)
« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2021, 10:00:11 pm »
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3 U.S. Code § 15 - Counting electoral votes in Congress

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Congress shall be in session on the sixth day of January succeeding every meeting of the electors. The Senate and House of Representatives shall meet in the Hall of the House of Representatives at the hour of 1 o’clock in the afternoon on that day, and the President of the Senate shall be their presiding officer. Two tellers shall be previously appointed on the part of the Senate and two on the part of the House of Representatives, to whom shall be handed, as they are opened by the President of the Senate, all the certificates and papers purporting to be certificates of the electoral votes, which certificates and papers shall be opened, presented, and acted upon in the alphabetical order of the States, beginning with the letter A; and said tellers, having then read the same in the presence and hearing of the two Houses, shall make a list of the votes as they shall appear from the said certificates; and the votes having been ascertained and counted according to the rules in this subchapter provided, the result of the same shall be delivered to the President of the Senate, who shall thereupon announce the state of the vote, which announcement shall be deemed a sufficient declaration of the persons, if any, elected President and Vice President of the United States, and, together with a list of the votes, be entered on the Journals of the two Houses. Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper, the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any. Every objection shall be made in writing, and shall state clearly and concisely, and without argument, the ground thereof, and shall be signed by at least one Senator and one Member of the House of Representatives before the same shall be received. When all objections so made to any vote or paper from a State shall have been received and read, the Senate shall thereupon withdraw, and such objections shall be submitted to the Senate for its decision; and the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, in like manner, submit such objections to the House of Representatives for its decision; and no electoral vote or votes from any State which shall have been regularly given by electors whose appointment has been lawfully certified to according to section 6 of this title from which but one return has been received shall be rejected, but the two Houses concurrently may reject the vote or votes when they agree that such vote or votes have not been so regularly given by electors whose appointment has been so certified. If more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State shall have been received by the President of the Senate, those votes, and those only, shall be counted which shall have been regularly given by the electors who are shown by the determination mentioned in section 5 of this title to have been appointed, if the determination in said section provided for shall have been made, or by such successors or substitutes, in case of a vacancy in the board of electors so ascertained, as have been appointed to fill such vacancy in the mode provided by the laws of the State; but in case there shall arise the question which of two or more of such State authorities determining what electors have been appointed, as mentioned in section 5 of this title, is the lawful tribunal of such State, the votes regularly given of those electors, and those only, of such State shall be counted whose title as electors the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide is supported by the decision of such State so authorized by its law; and in such case of more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State, if there shall have been no such determination of the question in the State aforesaid, then those votes, and those only, shall be counted which the two Houses shall concurrently decide were cast by lawful electors appointed in accordance with the laws of the State, unless the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide such votes not to be the lawful votes of the legally appointed electors of such State. But if the two Houses shall disagree in respect of the counting of such votes, then, and in that case, the votes of the electors whose appointment shall have been certified by the executive of the State, under the seal thereof, shall be counted. When the two Houses have voted, they shall immediately again meet, and the presiding officer shall then announce the decision of the questions submitted. No votes or papers from any other State shall be acted upon until the objections previously made to the votes or papers from any State shall have been finally disposed of.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 644, 62 Stat. 675.)

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/3/15

Bingo. That, my dear HoustonSam, is what Pence had the constitutional authority to initiate. Yes, it may have ultimately failed after the Senate and House voted after deliberating...but making that effort to right the wrong was the "honorable" thing to do. Pence failed and chose dishonor and disloyalty to the constitution. As others mentioned earlier, you should refresh yourself with the Constitution AND the relevant statutes applicable to the counting of electoral votes.
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Re: Mike Pence Heckled at Summit With Chants of ‘Traitor!’ (VIDEO)
« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2021, 10:02:17 pm »
These provisions were followed while counting the 2020 EVs.  Written objections were submitted to the EVs of AZ and of PA.  Neither House nor Senate sustained those objections.

???? Weren't those objections submitted after the certification on Jan 6??                       
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« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2021, 10:23:31 pm »
Strange arguments, Pence didn't have to perform his duties, it wasn't required.
Some how Pence's job was only to certify the election, and not to de-c ertify the election, Really?  Just how deep and prevalent are deep staters wearing sheeps skins?

Is this the same group that insists there was no election fraud committed regardless of the evidence otherwise ?  This looks like just another continuance of the election scandal, refusing what we know to be true.
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The Vice President is the President of the Senate and as such is more than a mere clerk.  Pence could have, and should have, refused to accept the count as valid.   

It's his task to count the ballots.   

Pence decided to be a Rubber Stamp for the RINOs and Rodents who hate America.

He was rightfully called traitor because that's what he is.

He's no conservative, he allowed a fraudulent vote to proceed with no objection.

He's no Christian, he violated his oath before his God to defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign an domestic.

And he's no "Republican" unless he adds the "in Name Only" part, too.

he's just a traitor and his political advancement committed suicide on January 6 as neatly as if he'd met some of Hillary's employees on their way back from Epstein's jail cell.


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 The blunt truth is that those legislators were asleep at the switch when they allowed sloppy and dishonest election procedures and again when they allowed the EVs to be certified.

My,my, such innocence of the willful deepstaters and their minions corruptions.  Just like Hitlery got away with it, that makes her as innocent as anybody.  You didn't catch me at it, you can't prove a thing, thanks to Bart Simpson and hitlery.  Asleep and sloppy, not deaf and amnesiacs?  Some tactics do change, eh?
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I do think the Christian conference should have called out JUDAS!  instead of Traitor, but both convey the idea well enough.  The DEEP STATERS don't have enough moxy to turn Pence into a saint, yet how they try, and like so many politicians, the public has made its positions clear, regardless of the double talk being tried.  Traitors is becoming a common phrase directed towards our politicians.  Guess why, its about who they represent, AND WHO THEY REFUSE to represent.
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Re: Mike Pence Heckled at Summit With Chants of ‘Traitor!’ (VIDEO)
« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2021, 10:29:22 pm »
However since you believe that individual legislators do have this authority, and that the President of the Senate also has the authority to deviate from what each state has certified,

The ones with the power to question the legality of the certification did so ... wrapped in the authority of the US Constitution which does not stipulate a number for dissent.  Dozens of legislators within each of five states threw a red flag on recording potentially illegal electoral totals.

If Pence lacked the brass to send the electors back to the legislatures for recertification, as requested,  he could have presented the letters to the Senate and House of Representatives and let THEM decide.

But Mike Pence chose -- he chose -- to ignore them.  Pence formally cast his lot with deep state.  Time will prove his self-inflicted wound was politically fatal.

So continue your passive-aggressive personal insults of me.  I totally appreciate it's all you've got.



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Re: Mike Pence Heckled at Summit With Chants of ‘Traitor!’ (VIDEO)
« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2021, 10:31:47 pm »
Strange arguments, Pence didn't have to perform his duties, it wasn't required.
Some how Pence's job was only to certify the election, and not to de-c ertify the election, Really?  Just how deep and prevalent are deep staters wearing sheeps skins?

Is this the same group that insists there was no election fraud committed regardless of the evidence otherwise ?  This looks like just another continuance of the election scandal, refusing what we know to be true.

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My,my, such innocence of the willful deepstaters and their minions corruptions.  Just like Hitlery got away with it, that makes her as innocent as anybody.  You didn't catch me at it, you can't prove a thing, thanks to Bart Simpson and hitlery.  Asleep and sloppy, not deaf and amnesiacs?  Some tactics do change, eh?
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I do think the Christian conference should have called out JUDAS!  instead of Traitor, but both convey the idea well enough.  The DEEP STATERS don't have enough moxy to turn Pence into a saint, yet how they try, and like so many politicians, the public has made its positions clear, regardless of the double talk being tried.  Traitors is becoming a common phrase directed towards our politicians.  Guess why, its about who they represent, AND WHO THEY REFUSE to represent.

??? Not following you on this @christian

I pointed out that Pence FAILED to do his job ---  3 U.S. Code § 15 - Counting electoral votes in Congress ---   perhaps I am misinterpreting your point???
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Re: Mike Pence Heckled at Summit With Chants of ‘Traitor!’ (VIDEO)
« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2021, 10:44:59 pm »
@SamHouston   @Right_in_Virginia 

3 U.S. Code § 15 - Counting electoral votes in Congress

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Congress shall be in session on the sixth day of January succeeding every meeting of the electors. The Senate and House of Representatives shall meet in the Hall of the House of Representatives at the hour of 1 o’clock in the afternoon on that day, and the President of the Senate shall be their presiding officer. Two tellers shall be previously appointed on the part of the Senate and two on the part of the House of Representatives, to whom shall be handed, as they are opened by the President of the Senate, all the certificates and papers purporting to be certificates of the electoral votes, which certificates and papers shall be opened, presented, and acted upon in the alphabetical order of the States, beginning with the letter A; and said tellers, having then read the same in the presence and hearing of the two Houses, shall make a list of the votes as they shall appear from the said certificates; and the votes having been ascertained and counted according to the rules in this subchapter provided, the result of the same shall be delivered to the President of the Senate, who shall thereupon announce the state of the vote, which announcement shall be deemed a sufficient declaration of the persons, if any, elected President and Vice President of the United States, and, together with a list of the votes, be entered on the Journals of the two Houses. Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper, the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any. Every objection shall be made in writing, and shall state clearly and concisely, and without argument, the ground thereof, and shall be signed by at least one Senator and one Member of the House of Representatives before the same shall be received. When all objections so made to any vote or paper from a State shall have been received and read, the Senate shall thereupon withdraw, and such objections shall be submitted to the Senate for its decision; and the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, in like manner, submit such objections to the House of Representatives for its decision; and no electoral vote or votes from any State which shall have been regularly given by electors whose appointment has been lawfully certified to according to section 6 of this title from which but one return has been received shall be rejected, but the two Houses concurrently may reject the vote or votes when they agree that such vote or votes have not been so regularly given by electors whose appointment has been so certified. If more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State shall have been received by the President of the Senate, those votes, and those only, shall be counted which shall have been regularly given by the electors who are shown by the determination mentioned in section 5 of this title to have been appointed, if the determination in said section provided for shall have been made, or by such successors or substitutes, in case of a vacancy in the board of electors so ascertained, as have been appointed to fill such vacancy in the mode provided by the laws of the State; but in case there shall arise the question which of two or more of such State authorities determining what electors have been appointed, as mentioned in section 5 of this title, is the lawful tribunal of such State, the votes regularly given of those electors, and those only, of such State shall be counted whose title as electors the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide is supported by the decision of such State so authorized by its law; and in such case of more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State, if there shall have been no such determination of the question in the State aforesaid, then those votes, and those only, shall be counted which the two Houses shall concurrently decide were cast by lawful electors appointed in accordance with the laws of the State, unless the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide such votes not to be the lawful votes of the legally appointed electors of such State. But if the two Houses shall disagree in respect of the counting of such votes, then, and in that case, the votes of the electors whose appointment shall have been certified by the executive of the State, under the seal thereof, shall be counted. When the two Houses have voted, they shall immediately again meet, and the presiding officer shall then announce the decision of the questions submitted. No votes or papers from any other State shall be acted upon until the objections previously made to the votes or papers from any State shall have been finally disposed of.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 644, 62 Stat. 675.)

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/3/15

Pence ended all objections when they returned from surviving the insurrection @libertybele .  (There were a few Rs in the Senate and House who almost lost their minds over this.)   

If I wore tin foil on my head, I might be inclined to believe this was one of the goals of the pre-planned "insurrection".   happy77

Keep in mind January 6th is not political holy grail.  It is a date set by an act of congress for convenience.... and could have been moved to Jan 7 or Jan 16. (I'd have preferred Jan 16 to honor the request from legislators in five states).

Our political holy grail for presidential elections is actually Jan 20th at noon.

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Re: Mike Pence Heckled at Summit With Chants of ‘Traitor!’ (VIDEO)
« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2021, 10:51:32 pm »
???? Weren't those objections submitted after the certification on Jan 6??                       

Yes.  Until the "insurrection".

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Re: Mike Pence Heckled at Summit With Chants of ‘Traitor!’ (VIDEO)
« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2021, 10:52:58 pm »
For what? I swear, "conservatives" are the dumbest people sometimes. Really, really stupid.

If she yelled "Spinless Wimp", would that have met your approval?
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