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Esteemed doctor condemns funding for COVID treatment, says ivermectin already works

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jmyrlefuller:

--- Quote ---When Dr. Zelenko was banned from You Tube for promoting the treatment
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He was banned from Youtube for being a phony and a sockpuppet for known fraudster Jerome Corsi (among Corsi's other positions: 9/11 was an inside job, Hitler didn't die in 1945, crude oil doesn't come from decaying dead matter and is supposedly far more abundant than it really is because it really comes from Earth's mantle but cartels are covering it all up, according to him, and that Obama was born in Kenya and all evidence to the contrary is forged).

jmyrlefuller:

--- Quote from: Smokin Joe on July 07, 2021, 01:17:32 pm ---the treatment he was recommending was Hydroxychloroquine, Azithromycin, AND Zinc supplements, taken at the first sign of symptoms (not even waiting for test results to be confirmed).
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In other words, he was giving treatments to people who weren't even sick. No wonder he got such good results! It's easy to have high rates of success when your patients never had the virus to begin with.


--- Quote from: Smokin Joe on July 07, 2021, 01:17:32 pm ---The strategy of this regimen has been repeatedly explained here, but one last time before I leave a site populated with people determined to die.
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. Oh, knock it off with the melodrama. If you want to leave, then hit that logout button up top. You are likely one of the only people here who actually believes your nonsense.


--- Quote from: Smokin Joe on July 07, 2021, 01:17:32 pm ---The Hydroxychloroquine acts as an ionophore to get the Zinc ions through the cell membrane in the Type 1 Pneumocytes where the zinc interferes with viral replication. The macrolide antibiotic not only guards against bacterial infection, but mutes the immune system slightly to prevent a cytokine reaction, where the body's immune system overreacts and destroys healthy lung cells.

Without all three, the regimen is as good as a three legged stool missing legs.
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Not a single scientific study has verified any of this.


--- Quote from: Smokin Joe on July 07, 2021, 01:17:32 pm ---Ivermectin, doxycycline and zinc also work in the same way, and there are other ionophores which can get the job done as well. I have posted links to medical journal articles and I have explained that the vast majority of studies done which fail to show improvement are flawed in that:

The regimen was administered incompletely: only HCQ or Ivermectin were administered without antibiotic and/or zinc. The most critical of the three for stopping viral replication is the zinc, and that was the most consistently absent component of the regimen.

The regimen was used on patients already in ICU (the virus had already replicated enough to put these people at death's door, a little bit late to stop it after the damage has been done.

Dosages were manipulated to bring about side effects (higher than recommended), and in the case of the Brazillian study, Chloroquine was administered in lethal doses, over 3X the LD50 for the drug. Shit! No wonder people died.
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In other words, every scientific study that shows contradiction of your beliefs MUST have done something wrong. But you'll ignore the flaws of any study in your favor.  *****rollingeyes*****


--- Quote from: Smokin Joe on July 07, 2021, 01:17:32 pm ---The biggest complaint is that the studies which showed benefit, and there have been a bunch from all over the world
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Grossly outnumbered by the ones that don't show a benefit, by the way.


--- Quote from: Smokin Joe on July 07, 2021, 01:17:32 pm ---, were not double blind studies, so they didn't come up to the high standards of those who, incidentally, conducted the studies without zinc and or the macrolide antibiotic. But that would have involved giving patients placebos instead of treatment, which would be about as effective as Doctor Fauci's Medicine Show in a New York Nursing Home, and of questionable benefit to anyone.
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This is a profound example of scientific ignorance. In any scientific study, there MUST be a control group to which you compare results. That's how you account for a placebo effect.


--- Quote from: Smokin Joe on July 07, 2021, 01:17:32 pm ---Where the study of patients who were treated at the right time (before needing hospitalization, even before test results confirmed infection) with the full regimen have been done (sorry, no double blind death sentences) results have shown marked reductions in fatal outcomes.
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That's because, as I said before, the patients NEVER HAD THE VIRUS TO BEGIN WITH!


--- Quote from: Smokin Joe on July 07, 2021, 01:17:32 pm ---Or are you just determined no one should avoid your experience with COVID for $20 worth of pills?

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We've already established that $20 worth of pills aren't going to do squat for an airborne virus.

Kamaji:
There is evidence that the cytokine storms that are the hallmark of a serious COVID-19 infection is caused by, or mediated by, the so-called "complement system" - an older part of the immune system - and hydroxychloroquine affects the complement system by reducing its effects; accordingly, there is an experimental basis for the proposition that hydroxychloroquine would be beneficial if provided to individuals prior to, or immediately after, infection with COVID-19.

Those who say otherwise are pitching the same tired TDS bullshit we have all come to know and loathe in this regard.

Smokin Joe:

--- Quote from: jmyrlefuller on July 07, 2021, 06:46:51 pm --- In other words, he was giving treatments to people who weren't even sick. No wonder he got such good results! It's easy to have high rates of success when your patients never had the virus to begin with.
. Oh, knock it off with the melodrama. If you want to leave, then hit that logout button up top. You are likely one of the only people here who actually believes your nonsense.
 Not a single scientific study has verified any of this.
 In other words, every scientific study that shows contradiction of your beliefs MUST have done something wrong. But you'll ignore the flaws of any study in your favor.  *****rollingeyes*****
 Grossly outnumbered by the ones that don't show a benefit, by the way.
 This is a profound example of scientific ignorance. In any scientific study, there MUST be a control group to which you compare results. That's how you account for a placebo effect.
 That's because, as I said before, the patients NEVER HAD THE VIRUS TO BEGIN WITH!
 We've already established that $20 worth of pills aren't going to do squat for an airborne virus.

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I posted links to scientific journals in a previous post. I'm not leaving, just because someone needs to point out the part of this you obviously are not getting. As for Corsi, I don't follow his stuff, like I said. I don't 'do' Art Bell, and even rarely listen to Alex Jones.

But I have been researching SARS-CoV-2, the proposed remedies, the supposed facebook quality "debunking" of HCQ/Zithromax/Zinc and the alleged studies (all of which lacked the Zinc supplementation, many of which did not administer the macrolide antibiotic, and yet claimed the regimen to be a "failure", and most of which administered what they did to patients who were well advanced in their disease) to back it. Zelenko proposed a regimen to be used before the virus had spread in the lungs, and may have treated a few people who only had a cold (It turns out zinc is effective in reducing the symptoms and duration of colds, too). At the time Zelenko suggested the protocol, the lag time for tests to determine if the virus was present was as long as two weeks. When he brought up his results, many of his patients had positive test results from tests taken before they started the regimen, the results of the tests were slow in coming. For the others who did not test positive, there is evidence that the regimen confers a prophylactic effect (not immunity, but resistance). Waiting two weeks to treat someone is a guarantee that either the disease will have run its course (mild case) or the patient will likely be hospitalized, in ICU, or the morgue. 

I must note that Hydroxychloroquine came under attack, even though it has been in use for decades as an antimalarial, a treatment for Lupus and Rheumatoid arthritis, on the same day Trump mentioned it. Suddenly it was called 'deadly', 'dangerous' and the side effects were blown all out of proportion (often conflated with Chloroquine, a different drug, and one which has more harsh side effects--which is the reason hydroxychloroquine was created, almost as much as the adverse reactions to the vaccine have been muted. And the information from numerous doctors has been squelched in the media, mainstream and social, as welcome as an article which states global warming isn't caused by humans is in a Climatology Journal.

Censorship on this issue is real, ongoing, and covering up a crime against humanity.

Similarly, Ivermectin/Doxycycline/Zinc have proved effective as well. I know people who have tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 and taken that regimen, even though they had to resort to veterinary Ivermectin. Within 4 days they were symptom free, even though they were feeling pretty rough when they started.

You are going to believe what you are going to believe.
I can't convince you. Follow the Facebook fackcheckers if you wish. For now, it's still a nominally free country.

But then, I have to ask, if the vaccine is so effective, why are people still wearing masks? If they are vaccinated, then no one infected should be any threat to their well-being at all.

art.prout:
Glad that you are staying around Joe.  I joined the forum to follow your information more closely.

You are meticulous in researching and willing to speak the truth, thank you for your efforts on this front.

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