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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #250 on: June 10, 2021, 09:51:19 PM »
No. It was my declaration. I SAID IT. and I said nothing other than my offense at the Republican party since Reagan, and my disenchantment from Reagan to 07 when I left the Republican party.

I have ALWAYS said there has been no wins since Reagan. Thirty years. 90's, 00s, 10s... Don't be trying to tell me what I said. There are pages of it here, and I said the same thing all the way along.

And if I have said the whole thing all the way along, how the hell did I move the goalposts?

I left the GOP in 1997 or so.

But I STILL fight, have always fought, to destroy the Rodents.

I have NEVER surrendered, never given up, never WHINED.

So forgive my TOTAL LACK of any sympathy for players who want to sit out the game for the rest of their lives because the game isn't fun because they're not winning like they want to.

It's not a game.
The GOP is not the party leadership.  The GOP is the party MEMBERSHIP.   The members need to kick the leaders out if they leaders are going the wrong way.  No coddling allowed.

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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #251 on: June 10, 2021, 09:52:48 PM »
Who stopped voting? Not me. With the exception of the last election where I was disenfranchised, I don't think I missed a one. Might have during my convalescence.

I just don't vote for Liberal Republicans and big.gov Republicans just because they have an 'R' and call themselves 'conservative'... I actually vote for Conservatives. Only.

Oh, well, at least you're finally admitting the election was stolen.

75,000,000 real Americans were disenfranchised when the Rodents and RINOs conspired to steal the election from us.

What changed your mind and got you to agree the election was stolen?

Oh.

You don't understand what the word "disenfranchised" means.

What it does not mean is "there's no candidate I want on the ballot".    Boo hoo hoo.



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The GOP is not the party leadership.  The GOP is the party MEMBERSHIP.   The members need to kick the leaders out if they leaders are going the wrong way.  No coddling allowed.

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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #252 on: June 10, 2021, 09:54:50 PM »
That's just it. You ain't saving nothing. Twenty TRILLION dollars. Do you have ANY conception of the damage it causes printing money like that?

I do.

Y'all shut the country OFF. Thousands of small businesses just like me CRATERED for no reason but piss poor leadership...

This will happen for sure and quickly if we surrender to the Marxists @roamer_1   It's a pity your principles don't include priorities.

And you DEFEND it.

I do not.  My worldview includes priorities, yours does not.  Your worldview includes surrender, mine does not.

If you are not standing in those principles, those TRUE THINGS, you are doing more damage than you are helping.

You're standing on true things,  I am fighting for their survival.

I know you are well meaning,

Need I tell you where you can put your condescension?

but ignorantly throwing the truth under the bus ....

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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #253 on: June 10, 2021, 09:57:42 PM »
I left the GOP in 1997 or so.

But I STILL fight, have always fought, to destroy the Rodents.

I have NEVER surrendered, never given up, never WHINED.

So forgive my TOTAL LACK of any sympathy for players who want to sit out the game for the rest of their lives because the game isn't fun because they're not winning like they want to.

It's not a game.

Me neither. I reject your partisan air. I don't care about 'Democrat'. I care about 'Liberal'. and I care even more about them being on the right side of the fence. So I will clean them out of the castle before I worry what is beyond the gate. Because I want REAL opposition to liberalism, and that will come from the right.

But only if there IS a Right.
And the Right is DEFINED by principled Conservatism.
It is there to defend those principles - THAT is what I will happily fight for.

Not for the lollygaggin you prefer, where anything goes, up to and including anything the Democrats would do.

You want my help, Defend those principle things. That is what the Right does.
Otherwise I walk, because that is the only thing I signed up for.

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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #254 on: June 10, 2021, 10:09:06 PM »
Oh.

You don't understand what the word "disenfranchised" means.

What it does not mean is "there's no candidate I want on the ballot".    Boo hoo hoo.

I do not have a mailbox here at the cabin.
My mail goes down to the ranch, and I pick it up when I do.
We could only vote by mail this election because of the covid,

And even though I have had a standing request for mailed ballot (since when I was in a wheelchair nearly a decade ago), and they have mailed that ballot to the ranch in spite of my residence elsewhere for several elections, this year they checked to make sure the residence and the mailing address match, and if not, the ballot was discarded.

So I never got a ballot, and by the time I found out why, and in that my registration was wrongfully terminated, It was too late for me to fix it.

That is disenfranchisment.

Not that it matters much to you, because I would not have voted for your guy anyway. Twenty friggin trillion bucks in funny money forbids me. As does shutting the country down. No way in hell I would endorse that.

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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #255 on: June 10, 2021, 10:15:25 PM »
Forty + years and still in the exact same rut! Everyone claims to want the same result (constitutional government) but ONLY if THEY get to choose the car we ride in to get there!

I'm SO sick of that shit!
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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #256 on: June 10, 2021, 10:21:29 PM »
Forty + years and still in the exact same rut! Everyone claims to want the same result (constitutional government) but ONLY if THEY get to choose the car we ride in to get there!

I'm SO sick of that shit!

Thank you, sir!!    :patriot:
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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #257 on: June 10, 2021, 10:21:43 PM »
I do.

This will happen for sure and quickly if we surrender to the Marxists @roamer_1   It's a pity your principles don't include priorities.


It ALREADY happened @Right_in_Virginia , and YOUR GUY did it. My priorities are just fine... One of them being I flatly will not BOHICA. Y'all destroyed me and expect me to take another one for the team. Well no. Bullsh*t on that. Tin Patch time.  And it is a big part of why I see no difference between y'all and the Marxists.

You don't like it when they do it, but you sure as hell don't mind doing it yourselves.

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I do not.  My worldview includes priorities, yours does not.  Your worldview includes surrender, mine does not.

I have surrendered nothing. I am fighting for Conservatism... And it don;t look a damn bit like what y'all are doing.

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You're standing on true things,  I am fighting for their survival.

By destroying them? How the hell does that work?

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You read about truth from your porcelain throne. I carry with me into battle.

There is no Truth in 20 trillion dollars of funny money.
There is no truth in shutting off commerce.
Hell there is no truth in governing by EO.

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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #258 on: June 10, 2021, 10:47:45 PM »
Forty + years and still in the exact same rut! Everyone claims to want the same result (constitutional government) but ONLY if THEY get to choose the car we ride in to get there!

I'm SO sick of that shit!
i surely don’t give a crap who advances, or attempts to advance, the ball down the field, @Bigun. Even if they fail as long as they try they’ll have my support.

Such a leader is just too damn hard to come by.

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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #259 on: June 10, 2021, 11:52:09 PM »
roamer1:
Me neither. I reject your partisan air. I don't care about 'Democrat'. I care about 'Liberal'.

christian:
The democrats the home party of extremist liberals who advance the liberals worst agendas, have nothing to do with the liberalism they are home to!  How educational!    Just like your trashing  Republicans about ten to one favoring Democrats, but in your delusional world/mind, that's equal or 'fair'.  We have along overdue need for a therapist here !

christian:
Note again,cry about Trumps spending while repairing the nation, silence on biden's spending.  It's just that clear!

roamer1:
And oddly enough, my mind is completely at ease too. As much as some folks try to ladle guilt on me, it's like water off a duck's back.

christian:
Indeed you can't make a reprobate feel guilty, as they are immune to such.  I've argued with the worst of the liberals over the years, they own this trait.

roamer1:
So fine, call me jaded. Bitter. That is probably right - spending all that time and money and faith to help raise up another monster, just the same as Democrats, just as interested in globalism, just as happy if not more happy than the democrats to crush the very people and principles they had promised to defend -That betrayal is one of the deepest betrayals I have ever experienced.

christian:
Again, the same false accusations that Republicans are no different than democrats.  This is true of the RINOs, yet roamer doesn't talk about them, hardly at all.  The democrats are the most guilty of betrayal, yet roamer gives them a pass!  (yet lies and says he doesn't)

roamer1:
I am under no obligation to be fair.

christian:
and as roamer favors one side, and viciously attsacks the other, he really means it about fair.  What kind of false posturing as he is doing could possibly be fair ?
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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #260 on: June 11, 2021, 12:17:04 AM »
roamer1:
Me neither. I reject your partisan air. I don't care about 'Democrat'. I care about 'Liberal'.

christian:
The democrats the home party of extremist liberals who advance the liberals worst agendas, have nothing to do with the liberalism they are home to!  How educational!    Just like your trashing  Republicans about ten to one favoring Democrats, but in your delusional world/mind, that's equal.  We have along overdue need for a therapist here !

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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #261 on: June 11, 2021, 01:03:38 AM »
roamer1:
Me neither. I reject your partisan air. I don't care about 'Democrat'. I care about 'Liberal'.

christian:
The democrats the home party of extremist liberals who advance the liberals worst agendas, have nothing to do with the liberalism they are home to!  How educational!    Just like your trashing  Republicans about ten to one favoring Democrats, but in your delusional world/mind, that's equal or 'fair'.  We have along overdue need for a therapist here !


Yes it is the home of liberals, but not really. Republican moderates who are in control of the party and have been since Reagan left are mad globalists, just like the liberal Democrats. They just want it governed in the board room while Democrats want it governed in the UN. And the Republican left wing has always been the old school back east money for the party and you don't need to look to far to find them... Romulus is a perfect example. Go look at what his daddy stood on and know that apple didn't fall far from the horse. And most of you VOTED FOR him.

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christian:
Note again,cry about Trumps spending while repairing the nation, silence on biden's spending.  It's just that clear!

He repaired NOTHING. That money went to military some, but mostly to liberal crap. If you don;t believe me, sit down and read the porkulus bills that Tumpy signed. MORE leftist crap signed into law, and all the conservative crap by EO so it would disappear in four years. No question, the ball moved LEFT under Tumpy.

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roamer1:
And oddly enough, my mind is completely at ease too. As much as some folks try to ladle guilt on me, it's like water off a duck's back.

christian:
Indeed you can't make a reprobate feel guilty, as they are immune to such.  I've argued with the worst of the liberals over the years, they own this trait.


Nothing at all reprobate in refusing to reward massive spending of funny money and tearing down small business by shutting the country off. That ANYONE would vote for more of that should be an embarrassment.

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roamer1:
So fine, call me jaded. Bitter. That is probably right - spending all that time and money and faith to help raise up another monster, just the same as Democrats, just as interested in globalism, just as happy if not more happy than the democrats to crush the very people and principles they had promised to defend -That betrayal is one of the deepest betrayals I have ever experienced.

christian:
Again, the same false accusations that Republicans are no different than democrats.  This is true of the RINOs, yet roamer doesn't talk about them, hardly at all.  The democrats are the most guilty of betrayal, yet roamer gives them a pass!  (yet lies and says he doesn't)


I give them no pass! I want a Right that will actually fight them FOR REAL That will move the ball to the RIGHT for a change and KEEP moving it to the right... And that ain't y'all. Your argument is that you're better than Democrats, and my reply is not by much. Y'all are JUST as focused on big.gov. You just thing you can do it better than the crats.

Well I will not help with that. Just on the spending I would never support Tump. Oh HELL no.

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roamer1:
I am under no obligation to be fair.

christian:
and as roamer favors one side, and viciously attsacks the other, he really means it about fair.  What kind of false posturing as he is doing could possibly be fair ?

I am not favoring EITHER side. I sure as hell don't want liberals anywhere. But more than anything I do not want them on the RIGHT. That y'all practice big.gov on the right makes y'all a non-starter for Conservatives. True Conservatism embraces fiscal Conservatism. True Conservatism embraces civil Conservatism. That ain't y'all. Not by a long shot.

Liberals are winning because they have no opposition.

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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #262 on: June 11, 2021, 01:51:55 AM »
Me neither. I reject your partisan air. I don't care about 'Democrat'. I care about 'Liberal'.

In the Venn Diagram of political sets, the set of Democrat is 100% included in the set of "Liberal".

The set of Liberal also includes the set of people with Principles (TM) who are perfectly willing to see the nation destroyed by the Liberals, and their lovely little Principles, so long as they themselves don't have to get their hands dirty defending those Principles.    These people area  special subset of the set of Liberals identified most easily as the set of Suckers.

But maybe we could leave mathematics out of the equation, since NO ONE believes 80,000,000 individual people each cast one and only one vote for that senile meat puppet.   That math doesn't work at all.

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and I care even more about them being on the right side of the fence. So I will clean them out of the castle before I worry what is beyond the gate. Because I want REAL opposition to liberalism, and that will come from the right.

Uh, yah, whatever.

The "Castle" is the ENTIRE country and it's overrun with Rodents, but, hey, if you feel only the most perfect of Saints can get their hands dirty sweeping the Rodents out.   Regular real people who want to try the best they can, well, they're just not good enough, because of reasons and things.    Much better to let the crap pile up until death do us part than to expend imperfect effort trying to merely get things started.

Right?

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But only if there IS a Right.
And the Right is DEFINED by principled Conservatism.
It is there to defend those principles - THAT is what I will happily fight for.

You mean by "a Right" the POLITICAL "Right", as in the outmoded linear spectrum of political ideology that usually falsely places National Socialism on the Right and regular Marxism on the Left?   

Hmmm?

That?

Do the police defend the innocent and the weak by sitting on their butts at the donut shop?

No...they defend the public by being proactive, by being visible and letting the criminal element know fear.

You want to defund the conservative movement with silly demands for pointless purity.

That's not going to get you what you claim you want.   It will get the Rodents what they don't claim to want, absolute power.

Hence that thankfully tiny set in the Venn Diagram of Liberal.

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Not for the lollygaggin you prefer, where anything goes, up to and including anything the Democrats would do.

You want my help, Defend those principle things. That is what the Right does.
Otherwise I walk, because that is the only thing I signed up for.

No.

Actually, the Americans really don't want your help.   Not now.   The first rule of bridge building is that you never re-use a buckled member, you throw it away.   The broken part cannot be repaired, it's too dangerous to trust. It is guaranteed to fail at a lower load the next time, and it is guaranteed to fail.

So, don't bother thinking we consider you a Prodigal Son and are eagerly awaiting your Road to Damascus Moment.     Not a chance. 

We discuss these matters with you because you're wrong, this is the internet and it's good training to practice for the time when someone who can be reached needs solid and strong arguments to show someone capable of learning the error of their ways.

Some people are not capable of seeing their error, let alone being big enough to admit their error.

You don't even have to apologize.  There's no point.

The GOP is not the party leadership.  The GOP is the party MEMBERSHIP.   The members need to kick the leaders out if they leaders are going the wrong way.  No coddling allowed.

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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #263 on: June 11, 2021, 02:09:40 AM »
He repaired NOTHING. That money went to military some, but mostly to liberal crap. If you don;t believe me, sit down and read the porkulus bills that Tumpy signed. MORE leftist crap signed into law, and all the conservative crap by EO so it would disappear in four years. No question, the ball moved LEFT under Tumpy.

Well, there you have it.   STARTING to rebuild the military the Obama Terrorist Regime depleted, that's a "nothing".

Real conservatives sorta kinda consider making the US military strong enough to defend the country somewhat maybe just a little bit REALLY important.


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I am not favoring EITHER side.

That's the problem, ain't it?

You're not Sweden and the time for neutrality never really existed.   

How'd that neutrality thing work for Belgium.   Pick whichever World War you want in your answer.

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The GOP is not the party leadership.  The GOP is the party MEMBERSHIP.   The members need to kick the leaders out if they leaders are going the wrong way.  No coddling allowed.

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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #264 on: June 11, 2021, 02:13:33 AM »
In the Venn Diagram of political sets, the set of Democrat is 100% included in the set of "Liberal".

The set of Liberal also includes the set of people with Principles (TM) who are perfectly willing to see the nation destroyed by the Liberals, and their lovely little Principles, so long as they themselves don't have to get their hands dirty defending those Principles.    These people area  special subset of the set of Liberals identified most easily as the set of Suckers.

Riiiight. So that whole Goldwater/Reagan thing is just so much bullsh*t, right

Because that is what I am standing upon.

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But maybe we could leave mathematics out of the equation, since NO ONE believes 80,000,000 individual people each cast one and only one vote for that senile meat puppet.   That math doesn't work at all.

I find it stunning that anyone would vote for either one.

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Uh, yah, whatever.

The "Castle" is the ENTIRE country and it's overrun with Rodents, but, hey, if you feel only the most perfect of Saints can get their hands dirty sweeping the Rodents out.   Regular real people who want to try the best they can, well, they're just not good enough, because of reasons and things.    Much better to let the crap pile up until death do us part than to expend imperfect effort trying to merely get things started.


I reject that wholly. Printing HUGH piles of funny money ain't doing the best you can.
Shutting the damn country OFF ain't doing the best you can.

And voting for more of it after the fact sure as hell ain't doing the best you can.

And I am not looking for perfect. It is as false a charge as it was upthread the last 34 times.
Hell if he only didn't spend quite as much as Obummer, that would be a tiny lean in the right direction at least. But by rights, he should have easily cut spending by 25% over Obummer (who spent twice as much as Boosh) and balanced the budget... Hell if he even HAD a budget...

And it is sheer idiocy to say that is too much to ask for.


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Right?

You mean by "a Right" the POLITICAL "Right", as in the outmoded linear spectrum of political ideology that usually falsely places National Socialism on the Right and regular Marxism on the Left?   

Hmmm?

That?

Yeah I mean the Right. You know. Conservatives. We exist. I know you;d like to say that's all gone now so you can be comfortable spending us into oblivion right alongside the liberals... And so you can justify shutting the nation OFF with your draconian over-state. But too bad for you, folks exist that would like the government to operate just like they do when they are sitting at the kitchen table trying to figure out how the hell they are gonna get the buffalo to kiss the injun's ass this time...

Some of us know that any government big enough to help you is big enough to enslave you, and it WILL. Doesn't matter if it is Tumpy or Buydem at the helm.

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Do the police defend the innocent and the weak by sitting on their butts at the donut shop?

No...they defend the public by being proactive, by being visible and letting the criminal element know fear.

You want to defund the conservative movement with silly demands for pointless purity.

That's not going to get you what you claim you want.   It will get the Rodents what they don't claim to want, absolute power.

Howabout you worry about defunding the government before we're friggin Venezuela?


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Actually, the Americans really don't want your help.   Not now.   The first rule of bridge building is that you never re-use a buckled member, you throw it away.   The broken part cannot be repaired, it's too dangerous to trust. It is guaranteed to fail at a lower load the next time, and it is guaranteed to fail.

Suits me fine. I always have something better to do than support big.gov liberal Republicans.

Have fun. See you in Venezuela... Or, no I won't... Because I will be so far back in the sticks with all my family that we will ride it out fine.

It's a Republic, if you can keep it. Here's a hint: You won't.
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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #265 on: June 11, 2021, 02:22:37 AM »
Well, there you have it.   STARTING to rebuild the military the Obama Terrorist Regime depleted, that's a "nothing".

Real conservatives sorta kinda consider making the US military strong enough to defend the country somewhat maybe just a little bit REALLY important.


Go look at what in them porkulus bills he signed. Really. I double dog dare you. And then come back and try to defend it. as military spending.

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That's the problem, ain't it?

You're not Sweden and the time for neutrality never really existed.   

How'd that neutrality thing work for Belgium.   Pick whichever World War you want in your answer.

I ain't neutral. I am against BOTH your houses. Neither side can be trusted. And the only way to fix it is to cut the federal government off at the knees. or better yet, the ankles. Because BOTH sides are taking your liberty.
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« Reply #266 on: June 11, 2021, 03:06:35 AM »
Riiiight. So that whole Goldwater/Reagan thing is just so much bullsh*t, right

Because that is what I am standing upon.

Goldwater didn't want Reagan to reach out to the Christian religious core of the country and felt that the GOP was making a mistake opposing abortion.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-08-07-mn-4874-story.html

So..."eff" Goldwater.

Got it?

That you standing on, the corpses of fifty or sixty million babies murdered before ever taking a single breath?

So much for "Principles (TM), hey?

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I find it stunning that anyone would vote for either one.

Not making a choice is making a bad choice.

I made a good choice.   Trump adores the military and doesn't want babies murdered.   And he thinks America is worth fighting for.

Which of those three violates Principles (TM), besides the lust to kill babies?

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I reject that wholly. Printing HUGH piles of funny money ain't doing the best you can.

Maybe someday you'll learn how sausage is made, too?

Reality does intrude on the most Principled (TM) of those adhering to the Principles.   

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Shutting the damn country OFF ain't doing the best you can.

When someone hires an expert to give expert advice, and all the experts queried provide the same advice, does the patient ignore the advice and let the tumor grow?

Case in point:
After I got my degree, took a while to find an aerospace job.   My old boss had started up his own contracting business so I swung a hammer for him for nearly a year.   One of the jobs we did involved putting new stairs to the basement.   The stairs, if I remember correctly, had thirteen risers plus a 1.0 inch clearance for the floor at the top.   They were puzzling over it...our one real carpenter was a cabinet maker...so I did the algebra and told them they needed risers of...7 and 13/16 inches.   They said "That's stupid.  We'll make it 7 and 3/4."  I told them it will be short.  And sure enough, they bitched up a storm when the stairs were 13/16 too short.

They didn't take the advise of their mathematician, the expert.

Trump is not an epidemiologist.   He HAD to take the advice of the experts or people, many people, could have died.

You're faulting Trump for doing something you flatly refused to do.  He made a decision.   

You're still demanding perfection from human beings.   

Good luck with that.

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And voting for more of it after the fact sure as hell ain't doing the best you can.

I voted for less of it.

Now YOU have Captain Filled Underpants in the White House, and he didn't even win the election to get there.

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And I am not looking for perfect.

Agreed.

You're not looking for it because you know you can't find it.

But you are DEMANDING it.

You are demanding something you know can't be found.   

What does that say, hmmmm?

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Hell if he only didn't spend quite as much as Obummer, that would be a tiny lean in the right direction at least. But by rights, he should have easily cut spending by 25% over Obummer (who spent twice as much as Boosh) and balanced the budget... Hell if he even HAD a budget...

Explain carefully why Congress has not passed a REAL budget in the last 13 years or more...I don't know when the last budget was passed.

Like I said, you need to UNDERSTAND the realities of government, and stop pretending the rest of us don't know how the government works and who is to blame for the lack of a proper budget.   In the Era of Trump, you need to discuss this matter with Principled Conservative (TM) RINO Ryan and Naughty Pelosi.

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And it is sheer idiocy to say that is too much to ask for.

No point in asking when what you're supposed to be doing it fighting for it.

Oh.

I forgot.

Never mind.

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Yeah I mean the Right. You know. Conservatives. We exist. I know you;d like to say that's all gone now so you can be comfortable spending us into oblivion right alongside the liberals... And so you can justify shutting the nation OFF with your draconian over-state. But too bad for you, folks exist that would like the government to operate just like they do when they are sitting at the kitchen table trying to figure out how the hell they are gonna get the buffalo to kiss the injun's ass this time...

Yeah, I know.   Like I said, your picture of the political spectrum is false.    Refer to the Venn Diagram discussion above.

If the Principled Conservatives (TM) are one thing, the one thing they are not is conservative.   They sit out and refuse to do their duty as voting citizens.  Conservatives don't shirk their duties.

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Some of us know that any government big enough to help you is big enough to enslave you, and it WILL. Doesn't matter if it is Tumpy or Buydem at the helm.

And those of us who don't have Principles (TM) know that deciding to do nothing to object to the growth of government get more government.   

Thomas Jefferson et al were willing to put their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor on the line to throw over the yoke of imperial enslavement.   Other people think isolating themselves in a cabin in the woods and not participating is equally effective.

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Howabout you worry about defunding the government before we're friggin Venezuela?

What do you think the purpose of voting is?

Why do you think ...er...FEEL the reason the real Americans are furious at the Stolen Election and seriously not happy with those pretending to have Principles (TM) who still don't have the honesty to admit the election was stolen?

How is the government made less dangerous when people hiding behind false Principles (TM) eagerly oppose the Americans with real principles who want honest elections?

Answer:  It can't be.

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Suits me fine. I always have something better to do than support big.gov liberal Republicans.

You mean those with Principles (TM)

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Have fun. See you in Venezuela... Or, no I won't... Because I will be so far back in the sticks with all my family that we will ride it out fine.

Actually, that's not how any of that works.   

Marxists WILL NOT let you escape.   

Hide in the woods during a nuclear war?  The fallout is guaranteed to get you.

Hide in the woods during a bolshevik revolution?   They WILL come for you.   The one thing, the absolute one thing, the Marxist will not tolerate is dissent.   And if they have to kill you to end the dissent, they'll be very very happy.  They like to kill.

And if you think you're secure in your little hideaway, you'll one day have a conversation with David Koresh and Randy Weaver.

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It's a Republic, if you can keep it. Here's a hint: You won't.

Here's another hint:

The United States hasn't been a republic since the ratification of the 17th Amendment.

The conservatives lacking Principles (TM) have been fighting to recover the Republic since it was destroyed.  Our chances of success are the same as those of Emperor Claudius.

 But at least we're fighting, in the hopes that something can be rescued.   If I wanted to, I could buy a sailboat and escape to Australia, but I'm a real American and that's not the moral thing to do.  But running away won't work.  It will only accelerate the destruction.   And once America has died the (D), the world collapses.

(Besides which there are only two ways to decently cross the ocean.   Fly over it or sail under it.)
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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #267 on: June 11, 2021, 09:48:01 AM »
Well, there you have it.   STARTING to rebuild the military the Obama Terrorist Regime depleted, that's a "nothing".

Real conservatives sorta kinda consider making the US military strong enough to defend the country somewhat maybe just a little bit REALLY important.


That's the problem, ain't it?

You're not Sweden and the time for neutrality never really existed.   

How'd that neutrality thing work for Belgium.   Pick whichever World War you want in your answer.

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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #268 on: June 11, 2021, 02:05:39 PM »
Notice the false repetitive of equality and the one sided bashing, while pretending such is equal and 'fair', and clearly not so.

roamer1:
Well I will not help with that. Just on the spending I would never support Tump. Oh HELL no.

roamer1:
I am not favoring EITHER side.

That's quite impressive, you show in your first quote of spending, Trump hell no, where did you mentioned the democrats equally!  Such overwhelming repetitive actions, clearly one sided.  While still posturing not favoring a side.
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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #269 on: June 11, 2021, 02:40:06 PM »
Notice the false repetitive of equality and the one sided bashing, while pretending such is equal and 'fair', and clearly not so.

roamer1:
Well I will not help with that. Just on the spending I would never support Tump. Oh HELL no.

roamer1:
I am not favoring EITHER side.

That's quite impressive, you show in your first quote of spending, Trump hell no, where did you mentioned the democrats equally!  Such overwhelming repetitive actions, clearly one sided.  While still posturing not favoring a side.

This observation is pointless.  Opposition to the Ds is assumed here, it's why you can draw the wrath of a Mod for calling someone a D or accusing them openly of supporting the Ds.  @roamer_1 is not obligated to prove his bona fides by ritually denouncing the Ds every time he advocates his position.
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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #270 on: June 11, 2021, 02:43:59 PM »
Since we're approaching 300 posts on this Topic, and not much new ground being covered in the last several pages, I think it's time to put this one to bed.  It's beyond "I Like Pie" stage.

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