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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #200 on: June 10, 2021, 05:09:37 am »
So you're going to keep on dodging the questions, spin and obfuscate and ignore/deny?  Bill and hill must be so proud of you! You're the only 'Conservative' i've seen that is so dedicated to using democrat tactics and ways.
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« Reply #201 on: June 10, 2021, 05:47:15 am »
So you're going to keep on dodging the questions, spin and obfuscate and ignore/deny?  Bill and hill must be so proud of you! You're the only 'Conservative' i've seen that is so dedicated to using democrat tactics and ways.

I dodged nothing. You asked, I answered.

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« Reply #202 on: June 10, 2021, 01:50:54 pm »


Liberalism is winning because it has no opposition. That opposition is supposed to be you guys.


We normals DO oppose the Rodents.

It's the Never Trumpers who are busy helping them.
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« Reply #203 on: June 10, 2021, 06:24:07 pm »
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Liberalism is winning because it has no opposition. That opposition is supposed to be you guys. And they ran you over the very same as Dubya. Temporary 'conservatism', gone in four years, with no wins, an liberalism written into LAW in the same four years... Moving the ball LEFT. Sommore.

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Libealism is winning because you heavily criticize Trump and Republicans, while laughable on few occasions throw out a democrats too.  Pretending such one sided treatment is equal and fair, and many how noticed and criticized your openly biased prejudices, while pretending equal TREATMENT.  Fools can be convinced of nearly anything, we are not easily manipulated fools that you take us for.
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« Reply #204 on: June 10, 2021, 06:34:40 pm »
The Rodents are ascendant because one of the things they absolutely demand is that No Rodent Ever Talk Ill Of Another Rodent, and more, All Rodents Shall Lie To Cover Other Rodents.

The Americans are more individualistic than that and the Rodents have infiltrated the Americans and their political parties, encouraging fools to worship pointless perfection more than winning battles.

The Americans lost almost all the early major battles in the Civil War.    But they didn't give up and finally found their Trump, who was rude and crude and willing to bring war to the Rodents.   Naturally, the crypto-Rodents decided that they didn't like the Orange Grant and made snide remarks about being a drunkard.   The most important American President in history said "Oh.  So what kind of whisky does he like?  Send him a case.  He fights."

Trump FIGHTS.

The people the Principled Conservatives (TM) prefer are losers who ask "can't we all jus' get along?"

I'll take a fighter every time.

Nuts.
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« Reply #205 on: June 10, 2021, 06:53:51 pm »
We normals DO oppose the Rodents.

It's the Never Trumpers who are busy helping them.


Yeah right... With a hand full of nothing, the ball moved LEFT, and all for the low low cost of twenty trillion bucks...
No win again. SOSDD. You are opposing nothing.

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« Reply #206 on: June 10, 2021, 07:04:51 pm »
The Rodents are ascendant because one of the things they absolutely demand is that No Rodent Ever Talk Ill Of Another Rodent, and more, All Rodents Shall Lie To Cover Other Rodents.

The Americans are more individualistic than that and the Rodents have infiltrated the Americans and their political parties, encouraging fools to worship pointless perfection more than winning battles.

The Americans lost almost all the early major battles in the Civil War.    But they didn't give up and finally found their Trump, who was rude and crude and willing to bring war to the Rodents.   Naturally, the crypto-Rodents decided that they didn't like the Orange Grant and made snide remarks about being a drunkard.   The most important American President in history said "Oh.  So what kind of whisky does he like?  Send him a case.  He fights."

Trump FIGHTS.

The people the Principled Conservatives (TM) prefer are losers who ask "can't we all jus' get along?"

I'll take a fighter every time.

Nuts.
you gotta admit though, even though he refused to get it dirty General McClellan sure looked smart in that snappy uniform. Statesmanlike.

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« Reply #207 on: June 10, 2021, 07:08:07 pm »

Yeah right... With a hand full of nothing, the ball moved LEFT, and all for the low low cost of twenty trillion bucks...
No win again. SOSDD. You are opposing nothing.


Keep dreaming that you're accomplishing anything more than helping the Rodents.

You probably don't understand that just because you throw a boat's motor into reverse, that doesn't mean the boat won't continue to go forward until it's stopped.

But because the boat won't immediately go backwards when the motor is put in reverse, you want to shoot the pilot and keep sitting in the back seat whining about how close the Horseshoe Falls is getting.  "Oh, dear, why can't we get the boat to go back upstream", you ask.  "We keep shooting all the pilots who want to go that way but not one of them has been able to do it instantly like I, the two year old, demand. wa wa wa wa!!!"
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« Reply #208 on: June 10, 2021, 07:10:09 pm »
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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #209 on: June 10, 2021, 07:12:22 pm »
you gotta admit though, even though he refused to get it dirty General McClellan sure looked smart in that snappy uniform. Statesmanlike.

He even got an air force base named after him.   Pretty good for a Civil War general.
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« Reply #210 on: June 10, 2021, 07:45:56 pm »
Libealism is winning because you heavily criticize Trump and Republicans, while laughable on few occasions throw out a democrats too.  Pretending such one sided treatment is equal and fair, and many how noticed and criticized your openly biased prejudices, while pretending equal TREATMENT.  Fools can be convinced of nearly anything, we are not easily manipulated fools that you take us for.


I am under no obligation to be fair. There is no requirement to evenly spread my ire, tit for tat. What kind of liberal crybaby thinking is that? If I want to hammer Tumpy and ignore the crats, that is my prerogative. That ain't what I do, but as I mainly pay the crats no mind, knowing what they are, and not surprised by what they do...

And frankly, I can't take the hypocrisy on those threads. All y'all in your harrumphing circle criticizing crats for big.gov and spending money, when just months ago, you were defending big.gov and spending even MORE money, so long as your boy was doing it. How the f* shallow is that thinking???? Hell, you defend it even yet. Y'all criticize Fauci like your boy wasn't standing right up there with him, not a year ago. That kind of two-faced whipsaw disgusts me, and partisan poo throwing does nothing to advance the ball. Especially when it is done swimming in hypocrisy.

 That ain't defending crats. That's calling all y'all out. That's making you look at ideas instead of mindless partisanship, where those ideas are currency that depends on who is doing it. Just like democrats in that - Defending your prince regardless of what is actually true... In spite of egregious offense to actual Conservatism.

The crats ain't calling themselves conservatives though... The crats ain't claiming conservative ground while operating just the same as big.gov crats. If you want to see me rise in anger, that's the best way to do it of all. Claiming Conservatism while spending twice as much as Obummer in a term.... And shutting the f'ing country OFF... Justifying it because it is your boy doing it, and paying no mind to the damage you are doing to Conservative principle.

I have ZERO control or input over what the Democrats do. I don't vote for them, I don't raise money for them, I abhor every facet of their philosophy. What the left does is beyond my reach.

But I DO function on the Right. From '80 to '07 - That's just damn near thirty years, and I will call it thirty easily, as I continued to support select Republicans after 07 - All that time I was a good Republican drone, pulling for that big Rhinestone R. I used my business sources to raise big money. I went door to door. I attended think tanks and events. The whole 9 yards.

For nothing. Absolutely nothing. Not a single friggin win in all that time. They took my money and my labor to do the very same thing as the democrats. Absolute betrayal of the principles they claimed to defend - Kinda like y'all.

So fine, call me jaded. Bitter. That is probably right - spending all that time and money and faith to help raise up another monster, just the same as Democrats, just as interested in globalism, just as happy if not more happy than the democrats to crush the very people and principles they had promised to defend -That betrayal is one of the deepest betrayals I have ever experienced.

As for monsters, the one I fight is the one I am responsible for creating. Y'all like that monster, and figure you need it to fight the crats, but nothing could be further from the truth. The monster that will wind up eating you is the one you are feeding. I know, I seen me do it. And you should mark them words and ponder em.

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« Reply #211 on: June 10, 2021, 08:02:29 pm »
Trump FIGHTS.

The people the Principled Conservatives (TM) prefer are losers who ask "can't we all jus' get along?"

I'll take a fighter every time.

Nuts.

He doesn't fight. He flails. And he has done terrible damage to Conservatives doing it.
I don't want to get along. I was on the front lines for thirty years.

But what I was fighting for all that time, was the principles I stand upon. Principles you would defame for fleeting succor.

I was not fighting 'against the democrats'. I was fighting *FOR* the principles.
And in lowering yourselves to the level of Democrats you will find those principles turning against you too... As those principles are always true (or they would not be principle things).

When you betray the very things you are supposed to be fighting for, the writing is on the wall... Your doom is sealed. And in that, you are bound to fail.  And I will not help you do it.


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« Reply #212 on: June 10, 2021, 08:05:33 pm »

Keep dreaming that you're accomplishing anything more than helping the Rodents.

You probably don't understand that just because you throw a boat's motor into reverse, that doesn't mean the boat won't continue to go forward until it's stopped.

But because the boat won't immediately go backwards when the motor is put in reverse, you want to shoot the pilot and keep sitting in the back seat whining about how close the Horseshoe Falls is getting.  "Oh, dear, why can't we get the boat to go back upstream", you ask.  "We keep shooting all the pilots who want to go that way but not one of them has been able to do it instantly like I, the two year old, demand. wa wa wa wa!!!"

Yeah... Poor little Tumpy... He can't help it... It's everybody's, anybody's fault but his!  *****rollingeyes*****

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« Reply #213 on: June 10, 2021, 08:07:22 pm »
He doesn't fight. He flails. And he has done terrible damage to Conservatives doing it.
I don't want to get along. I was on the front lines for thirty years.

But what I was fighting for all that time, was the principles I stand upon. Principles you would defame for fleeting succor.

I was not fighting 'against the democrats'. I was fighting *FOR* the principles.
And in lowering yourselves to the level of Democrats you will find those principles turning against you too... As those principles are always true (or they would not be principle things).

When you betray the very things you are supposed to be fighting for, the writing is on the wall... Your doom is sealed. And in that, you are bound to fail.  And I will not help you do it.
I betrayed nothing.

I liked Trump. I approved of nearly everything he did. And if it weren't for a cowardly GOP and utterly corrupt rat party and DC bureaucracy I'm sure I would've approved of the rest.

My mind is completely at ease.




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« Reply #214 on: June 10, 2021, 08:16:44 pm »
I betrayed nothing.

I liked Trump. I approved of nearly everything he did. And if it weren't for a cowardly GOP and utterly corrupt rat party and DC bureaucracy I'm sure I would've approved of the rest.

My mind is completely at ease.

You can approve of it all you want. It came to nothing. Again. Sommore.

And if you approve of 20T dollars and shutting the country OFF, that surprises the crap out of me.

And oddly enough, my mind is completely at ease too. As much as some folks try to ladle guilt on me, it's like water off a duck's back.


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« Reply #215 on: June 10, 2021, 08:40:36 pm »
Ahhhh....I miss the good old days of the Pat Buchanan supporters when he was running for President.  They were so easy to work with.
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« Reply #216 on: June 10, 2021, 08:43:05 pm »
I am under no obligation to be fair.

Yeah, we've noticed you're not feeling obligated towards honesty, either.

You're busy whining because....no matter WHO was in the White House, NOBODY was going to stop the Great Ship of State on a dime and reverse course.   

The inverted iceberg of socialism (we can see 95% of it) the USS USSA is on a collision course with cannot be avoided by answering full astern and stopping the ship in the water.   

That was not possible for the Titanic, it's not possible for the world's only superpower.

So, bitch, whine, cry, have hissy fits, share your chrysophobia with everyone, but know this:

You are merely a passenger on that great ship.   You're not part of the crew.   While the Americans are in the black gang trying to shovel the coal into the boilers, you're on the lidodeck playing shuffleboard with attitude, looking for your life vest (which can't be orange) and demanding a place on the life boats, all the while complaining that others aren't shoveling that coal in a way that suits you.

Is it any wonder most of the "males" on the Titanic died of hypothermia that night?   We Americans are certainly willing to leave those who are standing in the way and not helping out in the cold.

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That ain't defending crats.

Yes, it is.

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That's calling all y'all out.

No, it's not.

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That's making you look at ideas instead of mindless partisanship, where those ideas are currency that depends on who is doing it. Just like democrats in that - Defending your prince regardless of what is actually true... In spite of egregious offense to actual Conservatism.

Ideas?

You mean you're forcing me to look at the idea that people who don't fight don't really have any respect and certainly don't deserve to have their kibitzing taken seriously.

How's that for an idea whose time has never expired?

How much credence did the Loyalists who refused to take arms to birth the United States get from the Patriots?

Not very damned much.

People who sit on the sidelines don't get to quarterback.

Want more metaphors?

Those are ideas, too.

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The crats ain't calling themselves conservatives though... The crats ain't claiming conservative ground while operating just the same as big.gov crats. If you want to see me rise in anger, that's the best way to do it of all. Claiming Conservatism while spending twice as much as Obummer in a term.... And shutting the f'ing country OFF... Justifying it because it is your boy doing it, and paying no mind to the damage you are doing to Conservative principle.

The Rodents don't call themselves Rodents, either, but that's what they are.   

Rand called them Looters.

Americans call them traitors.

People with chrysophobia call them friend, but maybe not in public.

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I have ZERO control or input over what the Democrats do. I don't vote for them, I don't raise money for them, I abhor every facet of their philosophy. What the left does is beyond my reach.

Since you refused to fight the Rodents, you really don't have any say in what the Americans do, either.

You should re-read "Man Without A Country".

Maybe that tale should be re-written as "The Man Who Wouldn't Fight"...but it's no "Red Badge of Courage" those people sport, sport.  It's more like something someone would get who fell asleep in the middle of the road right before they painted those no-passing lines, if you know what I mean.

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But I DO function on the Right. From '80 to '07 - That's just damn near thirty years, and I will call it thirty easily, as I continued to support select Republicans after 07 - All that time I was a good Republican drone, pulling for that big Rhinestone R. I used my business sources to raise big money. I went door to door. I attended think tanks and events. The whole 9 yards.

Then you saw the job was done and decided that Obama was just too good to fight against.

There's a word for people who quit before the race is done.

We call them quitters.

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For nothing. Absolutely nothing. Not a single friggin win in all that time. They took my money and my labor to do the very same thing as the democrats. Absolute betrayal of the principles they claimed to defend - Kinda like y'all.

My principle is fight to the finish or there was no reason to fight at all.   Kinda no anything like what you've done, at all.

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So fine, call me jaded. Bitter. That is probably right - spending all that time and money and faith to help raise up another monster, just the same as Democrats, just as interested in globalism, just as happy if not more happy than the democrats to crush the very people and principles they had promised to defend -That betrayal is one of the deepest betrayals I have ever experienced.

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As for monsters, the one I fight is the one I am responsible for creating. Y'all like that monster, and figure you need it to fight the crats, but nothing could be further from the truth. The monster that will wind up eating you is the one you are feeding. I know, I seen me do it. And you should mark them words and ponder em.

I haven't created any monsters.   Call me George.   Without the jungle.
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The GOP is not the party leadership.  The GOP is the party MEMBERSHIP.   The members need to kick the leaders out if they leaders are going the wrong way.  No coddling allowed.

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« Reply #217 on: June 10, 2021, 08:44:24 pm »
I betrayed nothing.

I liked Trump. I approved of nearly everything he did. And if it weren't for a cowardly GOP and utterly corrupt rat party and DC bureaucracy I'm sure I would've approved of the rest.

My mind is completely at ease.

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The captain does not steer the ship.

The captain tells the crew where to steer the ship.

The GOP is full of mutineers. 

We have to fight to clean the GOP before we can convince the Rodents to jump overboard...preferably off the plank with a Cutlass charging them at full throttle.
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The GOP is not the party leadership.  The GOP is the party MEMBERSHIP.   The members need to kick the leaders out if they leaders are going the wrong way.  No coddling allowed.

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« Reply #218 on: June 10, 2021, 09:02:49 pm »
He doesn't fight. He flails. And he has done terrible damage to Conservatives doing it.

Yeah, if only we can get another candidate to get 75,000,000 votes.   The conservatives need to get damaged like that as often as possible.

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I don't want to get along. I was on the front lines for thirty years.

Yeah.  You're the only one.   It must be rough, living in Montana and having a state government that might occasionally enact a conservative law.   My heart bleeds for you, as I recall spending the last thirty years in California, with never having any level of government occupied by a candidate of my choice not ever, but once, and that RINO I voted against in the next election.   You have life sooooo ruff! How do you stand it?  I can understand why you quit.   Only weak people would live in Maxine Waters' district and STILL keep trying to affect positive change in the governments of the United States...it takes a really strong man to just give up and quit like you did, to spend your years in political retirement kibitzing the chess games of others and whining when you don't play and thus are guaranteed to never win.

Yeah, that's what real men do,  they give up and feel good about themselves.  They feel liberated to feel superior to others who were so weak they just won't quit.

There's a reason there's a law in the UCMJ against advising others to desert.

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But what I was fighting for all that time, was the principles I stand upon. Principles you would defame for fleeting succor.

Then you stopped fighting for them and decided you had Principles, instead.   
Real fighters can't afford Principles. 
Real fighters want to win.
Real fighters don't quit.

Call me John Carter.

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I was not fighting 'against the democrats'. I was fighting *FOR* the principles.
And in lowering yourselves to the level of Democrats you will find those principles turning against you too... As those principles are always true (or they would not be principle things).

And you're using the past tense because you surrendered those principles and discovered Principles (TM) instead.

You never figured out who sold you Principles (TM) and why they sought to sell them to you.

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When you betray the very things you are supposed to be fighting for, the writing is on the wall... Your doom is sealed. And in that, you are bound to fail.  And I will not help you do it.

Well, yeah.

The first act of betrayal is ceasing to fight.

It's not an overt act, most people won't notice until you know it's Pride Month and let everyone know you were no longer fighting.

But cowardice in the face of the enemy is still an act of betrayal.
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« Reply #219 on: June 10, 2021, 09:05:21 pm »
Yeah, we've noticed you're not feeling obligated towards honesty, either.

You're busy whining because....no matter WHO was in the White House, NOBODY was going to stop the Great Ship of State on a dime and reverse course.   

The inverted iceberg (we can see 95% of it) the USS USSA is on a collision course with cannot be avoided by answering full astern and stopping the ship in the water.   

That was not possible for the Titanic, it's not possible for the world's only superpower.


Excuses, excuses. Outspending democrats (by DOUBLE) has no excuse.
Shutting the country OFF, killing thousands of small businesses has no excuse.

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So, bitch, whine, cry, have hissy fits, share your chrysophobia with everyone, but know this:

You are merely a passenger on that great ship.   You're not part of the crew.   While the Americans are in the black gang trying to shovel the coal into the boilers, you're on the lidodeck playing shuffleboard with attitude, looking for your life vest (which can't be orange) and demanding a place on the life boats, all the while complaining that others aren't shoveling that coal in a way that suits you.

Is it any wonder most of the "males" on the Titanic died of hypothermia that night?   We Americans are certainly willing to leave those who are standing in the way and not helping out in the cold.

Yes, it is.

No, it's not.

Yeah, bullcrap. Just because I am standing against you does not mean I am not fighting, the same as always. In fact, standing against you is just as profitable to Conservatism as standing against the Democrats, if not more so... Because pointing out your fetid, feckless, phony opposition to democrats might make you think. I doubt it, but it might.

And that aside, bullcrap sommore. Since I cannot support the national 'Right' in their so-called 'battle' in politics, I have concentrated on other aspects of Conservatism with great success. Like teaching folks independence and survival skills, which I am eminently qualified to do - Preparing folks for your inevitable failure, seeing as how y'all refuse to apply the principles you purport to defend. They will need that knowledge soon.

And in social Conservatism... The Religious Right... I retain a full engagement on that front.

No, I am not a passenger. And even without political power to favor (which is not exactly true, as I favor helping the CP rise), I make myself useful in other aspects of Conservatism.

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Ideas?

You mean you're forcing me to look at the idea that people who don't fight don't really have any respect and certainly don't deserve to have their kibitzing taken seriously.

How's that for an idea whose time has never expired?

How much credence did the Loyalists who refused to take arms to birth the United States get from the Patriots?

Not very damned much.

People who sit on the sidelines don't get to quarterback.

Want more metaphors?

Those are ideas, too.

The Rodents don't call themselves Rodents, either, but that's what they are.   

Rand called them Looters.

Americans call them traitors.

People with chrysophobia call them friend, but maybe not in public.

Since you refused to fight the Rodents, you really don't have any say in what the Americans do, either.

You should re-read "Man Without A Country".

Maybe that tale should be re-written as "The Man Who Wouldn't Fight"...but it's no "Red Badge of Courage" those people sport, sport.  It's more like something someone would get who fell asleep in the middle of the road right before they painted those no-passing lines, if you know what I mean.

Then you saw the job was done and decided that Obama was just too good to fight against.

There's a word for people who quit before the race is done.

We call them quitters.

My principle is fight to the finish or there was no reason to fight at all.   Kinda no anything like what you've done, at all.

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I haven't created any monsters.   Call me George.   Without the jungle.

Meh. Petty. Vindictive. And shallow.
I still fight liberalism, every bit as much as I ever have. It's just now I have to fight it on the left and the right. I can oppose you and the democrats at the same time. After all, y'all are the same thing.

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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #220 on: June 10, 2021, 09:10:58 pm »

One doesn't "return to conservatism" by doing nothing to stop the enemy.    Kinda like how the Jews were morally opposed to the National Socialists but couldn't bring themselves to getting guns until it was too late for that. 

Thanks for your help, pal.

Most of us understand we are in the political fight of our lives; a fight that is fierce against an enemy with no respect for life or law  --- an enemy that has infiltrated every part of American society and must be weeded out and destroyed if we are to prevail @Sled Dog 

@roamer_1 fights for a myopic obsession on par with a religious crusade.  His insistence that we stand down until perfection appears is political quicksand and should be avoided as if our political lives and America's future depend on it --- because both do.

In time of war there is no virtue in doing nothing.  It is surrender.

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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #221 on: June 10, 2021, 09:18:28 pm »
Yeah, if only we can get another candidate to get 75,000,000 votes.   The conservatives need to get damaged like that as often as possible.

Yeah.  You're the only one.   It must be rough, living in Montana and having a state government that might occasionally enact a conservative law.   My heart bleeds for you, as I recall spending the last thirty years in California, with never having any level of government occupied by a candidate of my choice not ever, but once, and that RINO I voted against in the next election.   You have life sooooo ruff! How do you stand it?  I can understand why you quit.   Only weak people would live in Maxine Waters' district and STILL keep trying to affect positive change in the governments of the United States...it takes a really strong man to just give up and quit like you did, to spend your years in political retirement kibitzing the chess games of others and whining when you don't play and thus are guaranteed to never win.

Yeah, that's what real men do,  they give up and feel good about themselves.  They feel liberated to feel superior to others who were so weak they just won't quit.

There's a reason there's a law in the UCMJ against advising others to desert.

Then you stopped fighting for them and decided you had Principles, instead.   
Real fighters can't afford Principles. 
Real fighters want to win.
Real fighters don't quit.

Call me John Carter.

And you're using the past tense because you surrendered those principles and discovered Principles (TM) instead.

You never figured out who sold you Principles (TM) and why they sought to sell them to you.

Well, yeah.

The first act of betrayal is ceasing to fight.

It's not an overt act, most people won't notice until you know it's Pride Month and let everyone know you were no longer fighting.

But cowardice in the face of the enemy is still an act of betrayal.

All bullcrap. I have not quit, and I have not sold out. In fact I stand exactly where I always have, as many here have attested. And I am no coward. It is not cowardice to fight the liberals invading the right, which I consider the greater threat, because in their invasion, they nullify the only opposition to liberalism there is, which is, btw, Principled Conservatism... That thing you hate on every day.

And as for my reach here in Montana, that was regional in my day. Stretching deeply to the west, all the way to the coast. So I have engaged IRL, all the way to Portland and Seattle. Same old argument I hear all the time. False as hell. And it ain't like there ain't no Californication going on right here.
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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #222 on: June 10, 2021, 09:28:47 pm »
@roamer_1 fights for a myopic obsession on par with a religious crusade.  His insistence that we stand down until perfection appears is political quicksand and should be avoided as if our political lives and America's future depend on it --- because both do.

In time of war there is no virtue in doing nothing.  It is surrender.

Yeah, Same old bullcrap again... I am not, nor have I ever preached standing down. Nor have I preached perfection.

I have preached the same old Conservatism that has always been, coming right out of Goldwater and Reagan.

I have preached Conservative Coalition, and that is all.
If you wreck that coalition you will get no help from me. And in fact I will stand against you.

It is not waiting for perfection to insist folks that call themselves conservatives adhere to the defense of the principles that define it. That is what we are here for.


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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #223 on: June 10, 2021, 09:47:10 pm »
Yeah, Same old bullcrap again... I am not, nor have I ever preached standing down. Nor have I preached perfection.

I have preached the same old Conservatism that has always been, coming right out of Goldwater and Reagan.

I have preached Conservative Coalition, and that is all.
If you wreck that coalition you will get no help from me. And in fact I will stand against you.

It is not waiting for perfection to insist folks that call themselves conservatives adhere to the defense of the principles that define it. That is what we are here for.

I saw the one and only college football game in my life in the Carrier Dome when SU was undeated.   If my impression of football was limited to that one game, I'd always expect that the winning team won be by catching the ball on the kickoff and running it down the full length of the field for a touchdown in the first ten seconds of the game.  Penn State didn't have a chance that year.  As I recall the final score was 28 to 0.   

Most football games are won by slogging it on the field, five yards, ten yards, two yards at a time, and losing ground in-between.

Conservatives NEVER win by a brilliant running game.   Not once have we won that way.   To expect that the conservatives are going to field the perfect team and never give up ground once the team is on the field is too much to expect of any human endeavor.

The Rodents didn't get where they are by a single effort.  No.  They got to the Big Steal by LIFETIMES of incessant efforts to undermine society and rot it out from within.

Conservatives aren't going to fix it in a day, in a year, in a single presidential term or in six presidential terms.

And they're certainly not going to fix it in one presidential term if the president gets no support and no conservative advice from his team in Congress. 

Did Trump get any Conservative advice (in the form of bills and proposals to fight for) from the leadership of either house?   Not once.   

To blame Trump is a fool's game.   If Trump had been given a truly conservative agenda to fight for by conservatives in House and Senate, Trump would have been far more successful than his already impressive presidency was.   

Trump had no help.

Those damn Chrysophobics (I love that word, I gots me a label for those Never Trumping rectums!) do no one but the Rodents any favors when they do the Devil's task of blaming Trump for the RINO's treasons.   And that is what they are doing, they are helping the Enemy by allowing the Enemy to hide behind them, even if we assume the Chrysophobics are acting indepently of their RINO fellow travellers.

So, no.   It's pretty clear that the blame for the failures of the 45th President's first term rest squarely on the shoulders of the RINOS and the Never Trumping Pretend Republicans and the jerks seeking Jesus as their candidate before they ever vote again.   Those were the Mutineers, seeking all the bounty they can steal.

The GOP is not the party leadership.  The GOP is the party MEMBERSHIP.   The members need to kick the leaders out if they leaders are going the wrong way.  No coddling allowed.

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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #224 on: June 10, 2021, 09:50:37 pm »
I was point-of-the-spear for the TEA party, from the very beginning, when it was still in Ron Paul's camp... All the way through.

Yet I won't lift a finger for y'all. You should really try to do that math.