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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #150 on: June 09, 2021, 02:37:10 am »
Actually it is very rational. 

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Maybe to us it is,but not to him. There comes a time when you just have to stop beating your head against the door and accept the FACT that some people will just never change their minds about anything.
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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #151 on: June 09, 2021, 02:47:06 am »
Actually it is very rational. You vote for the lesser evil and then wonder why you got evil. It isn't that hard. Until enough people have the courage to not vote for the lesser evil giving in to their fear nothing will change. That lesser evil doesn't have to perform any better because they already own your vote. That should be obvious by just by reviewing the last 30 years of voting for the lesser evil and what you got in return.
I was 95% happy with the policies promoted by the last president but you didn’t like him either.

Obviously we want different things

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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #152 on: June 09, 2021, 02:50:21 am »
I was 95% happy with the policies promoted by the last president but you didn’t like him either.

Obviously we want different things

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That HAD to have posted to DB,because I consider Trump to have been the best US President in my lifetime. Even better than Reagan.
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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #153 on: June 09, 2021, 03:05:18 am »
@skeeter

That HAD to have posted to DB,because I consider Trump to have been the best US President in my lifetime. Even better than Reagan.
It was. All matters of style aside, Trump did almost everything I would want a president to do, given the limitations of his office.

I don’t know what all this ‘lesser of evils’ talk is about. I voted FOR DJT every bit as much as I voted against the Big Guy Mr 10%.

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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #154 on: June 09, 2021, 03:17:43 am »
It was. All matters of style aside, Trump did almost everything I would want a president to do, given the limitations of his office.

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I agree. Personally,I wouldn't let him in my house if he knocked on the door and asked for a drink of water. I'd make him wait on the porch and give him one and tell him to leave.

Then again,I don't vote for politicians because I am looking for a new best friend. I want elected officials who are dedicated to once again making America a free country based on Constitutional laws,not a paradise for parasites who hate freedom.

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I don’t know what all this ‘lesser of evils’ talk is about. I voted FOR DJT every bit as much as I voted against the Big Guy Mr 10%.


Same here,and we are not alone. I see people every day that are STILL flying "Trump!" flags,and just saw a SUV today that had "TRUMP!" painted in big red letters across the rear window.

I don't remember EVER seeing such things after any other politician loses (allegedly) an election,do you?
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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #155 on: June 09, 2021, 03:26:46 am »

Same here,and we are not alone. I see people every day that are STILL flying "Trump!" flags,and just saw a SUV today that had "TRUMP!" painted in big red letters across the rear window.

I don't remember EVER seeing such things after any other politician loses (allegedly) an election,do you?
Never. Last week I saw a guy flying a big trump flag from his truck here in Capitola CA. Almost ground zero for batshit leftism.

Of course the bah humbug types will scoff at that, but if turning things around is what they want the then rather than insult that kind of loyalty they really should try to figger out how a guy like Trump has earned it.

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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #156 on: June 09, 2021, 03:53:37 am »
Never. Last week I saw a guy flying a big trump flag from his truck here in Capitola CA. Almost ground zero for batshit leftism.

Of course the bah humbug types will scoff at that, but if turning things around is what they want the then rather than insult that kind of loyalty they really should try to figger out how a guy like Trump has earned it.

Hey, just for the record, I love it when people fly the Trump flag in places like CA. Driving leftist crazy is good sport.

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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #157 on: June 09, 2021, 06:13:47 am »
@christian

@roamer-1

You are wasting your time. His mind is made up and reason and logic are not going to change it. He is emotional,not rational.

Quite the other way around @sneakypete
I am merit based, and judge by performance. Emotion has little to do with it.

Open your hand and look what's in it from Tumpy's administration. Nothing. Nothing but a fist full of unicorn dreams. It's all gone like a fart in a windstorm. And it only cost you twenty trillion bucks.

But you feeel good about it, so you'll vote for him again.
That would be emotional.

Should I entertain a vote for a guy that got nothing done and cost double Obama's first term?

Oh hell no. And that is as reasonable and rational as it gets.

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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #158 on: June 09, 2021, 06:19:11 am »
Quite the other way around @sneakypete
I am merit based, and judge by performance. Emotion has little to do with it.

Open your hand and look what's in it from Tumpy's administration. Nothing. Nothing but a fist full of unicorn dreams. It's all gone like a fart in a windstorm. And it only cost you twenty trillion bucks.

But you feeel good about it, so you'll vote for him again.
That would be emotional.

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Should I entertain a vote for a guy that got nothing done and cost double Obama's first term?

Oh hell no. And that is as reasonable and rational as it gets.
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@roamer_1

What an odd way to define delusional.

Here I was thinking Trump had been a president,not a dictator.

Foolish me,huh?
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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #159 on: June 09, 2021, 07:11:33 am »
What an odd way to define delusional.

Here I was thinking Trump had been a president,not a dictator.

Foolish me,huh?

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Yeah... Foolish you.  :laugh:
Every other president there has ever been is judged by what he got done in his administration - Tumpy is no different.

That's what governing by Executive Order (ahem, dictator) is such a bad thing. It is almost always extremely temporary. Soon enough it is all gone.

If anything is going to actually get fixed, it necessarily gets fixed by law. Unfortunately all the law passed in Tumpy's term is largely liberal. Now, after the smoke is cleared, what we get to keep from Tumpy turns out to be all that liberal law. He moved the ball LEFT...

Being satisfied with nothing in your hand (at the cost of $20T) seems to be unprofitable.
Again, a merit based judgement would think that a very bad result.
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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #160 on: June 09, 2021, 07:55:58 am »
@sneakypete
Yeah... Foolish you.  :laugh:
Every other president there has ever been is judged by what he got done in his administration - Tumpy is no different.

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That's what governing by Executive Order (ahem, dictator) is such a bad thing.

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Ahhhh,I see your problem with him now. You are pissed he didn't allow the DNC to be his co-President!
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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #161 on: June 09, 2021, 12:45:24 pm »

Ahhhh,I see your problem with him now. You are pissed he didn't allow the DNC to be his co-President!

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It's been a primary problem with him all the way along. Predictably, every executive order was short lived - Candy thrown by the clown at the front of the parade - As for the DNC, they got all they wanted, written in law, and all that is still here.

Keep being satisfied with horrendously expensive administrations that do little or nothing in real terms. I realize it is the traditional sort of Republican administration, but if you mean to stop the Liberals, you'll have to set your standards a helluva lot higher.


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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #162 on: June 09, 2021, 01:11:42 pm »
@sneakypete
It's been a primary problem with him all the way along. Predictably, every executive order was short lived - Candy thrown by the clown at the front of the parade - As for the DNC, they got all they wanted, written in law, and all that is still here.

Keep being satisfied with horrendously expensive administrations that do little or nothing in real terms. I realize it is the traditional sort of Republican administration, but if you mean to stop the Liberals, you'll have to set your standards a helluva lot higher.

@roamer_1

Who fits your "lofty" standards?
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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #163 on: June 09, 2021, 01:31:41 pm »
Hey, just for the record, I love it when people fly the Trump flag in places like CA. Driving leftist crazy is good sport.

Yes. It was worth following him for a few blocks to catch the expressions.

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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #164 on: June 09, 2021, 02:45:06 pm »
@sneakypete
It's been a primary problem with him all the way along. Predictably, every executive order was short lived - Candy thrown by the clown at the front of the parade - As for the DNC, they got all they wanted, written in law, and all that is still here.

Keep being satisfied with horrendously expensive administrations that do little or nothing in real terms. I realize it is the traditional sort of Republican administration, but if you mean to stop the Liberals, you'll have to set your standards a helluva lot higher.

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Alright...one last post in the thread and THEN I'm out.

Your premise is wrong. Had it been President Desantis or President Cruz...or President Hawley or President Cotton. They, like Trump, would have had only one viable political avenue for change open to them...Executive Order. In the past....say the 80's and 90's...maybe it WAS possible to push conservative legislation through with some Dem support. In TODAY's political environment, this was not an option for President Trump...nor would it have been for anyone else in his shoes. President Trump pushed...beyond...the limits of what was politically achievable. WAY beyond...I honestly can't think of any other conservative who could have achieved as much for conservatism in the White House. And yes, much of it was via EO and can be reversed...but an EO was the ONLY POSSIBLE OPTION in nearly every case in which he used it. It wasn't EO or legislation...it was EO or nothing. No wall construction etcetera unless the EO was used and that principle applies to a host of other issues from 2017-2021. Period.

Ironically, he could have gotten more legislation passed had he been more willing to go full compromise with Dem Left and give them much of what they wanted...but then you'd have called him a traitor to conservatism and a Big city liberal (which you do anyway so I guess no loss for him on your account).  And you know what, I'd have agreed with you. But that's not what happened. So, given that President Trump had no power to get MORE conservative legislation...and that you absolutely would have opposed him doing a great "compromise" with the Left to get legislation...what the hell other course was open to him as President other than EO's.

Our next GOP President, be it Trump or Desantis or Hawley or Cotton...will face the same dilemma. Folks like you, roamer, will be breathing down his neck to move the conservative agenda forward NOW....and yet President's have no power to do so in THIS political climate without a 60 vote majority in the Senate. So this next President will have a choice of; Use EO's to achieve what can be achieved knowing that's an impermanent solution, Compromise with Left to get legislation that will be anything but genuinely conservative, or go full dictator.  That's it. The days of "Reagan charming and bullying his way to get conservative legislation" passed are gone...that is not achievable in this environment.

My point is this. You've set a standard for President Trump that no other Republican could ever meet...no one short of Jesus Christ could get done what you want done. I'm all for getting conservative issues addressed and legislated....but damn...President's are not magicians. They can only do what CAN be done. What you seem to want is the old Roman trick of electing a dictator for one year who simply reforms and shapes all legislation to conservative perfection (see Cincinnatus)...and then peacefully steps down. That's not a reasonable or even rational standard in today's political environment.
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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #165 on: June 09, 2021, 03:13:24 pm »
@Mesaclone

A good summation of the lose-lose scenario.  With the Rats in perfect lockstep today, there is no way to pass conservative legislation without watering it down so any laws passed will be worthless.
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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #166 on: June 09, 2021, 03:14:58 pm »
Excellent response @Mesaclone. I’m sure you know the stock response to your very rational reply will be along the lines of ‘well if trump had been a statesman he could’ve overcome those obstacles with leadership skills’. In spite of the obvious fact leadership skills, even of the executive, count for nothing where members of both parties as well as the entire bureaucracy itself are busy grabbing with both hands. As if the corrupt can be swayed by patriotic appeals.
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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #167 on: June 09, 2021, 03:45:19 pm »
Excellent response @Mesaclone. I’m sure you know the stock response to your very rational reply will be along the lines of ‘well if trump had been a statesman he could’ve overcome those obstacles with leadership skills’. In spite of the obvious fact leadership skills, even of the executive, count for nothing where members of both parties as well as the entire bureaucracy itself are busy grabbing with both hands. As if the corrupt can be swayed by patriotic appeals.

Seasoned with repeated mocking of Trump's name.
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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #168 on: June 09, 2021, 03:53:53 pm »
Seasoned with repeated mocking of Trump's name.
which is always a persuasive gimmick.

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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #169 on: June 09, 2021, 04:05:18 pm »
@Mesaclone

A good summation of the lose-lose scenario.  With the Rats in perfect lockstep today, there is no way to pass conservative legislation without watering it down so any laws passed will be worthless.

Which makes EO's the only viable option for a conservative leader if they hope to in any way advance conservatism. It is a dysfunctional way to govern, and apt to use by liberals in similar fashion....but there is no practical alternative. We have to realize that this fight is becoming about more than just filibusters and legislation...we've entered a cultural battle that is a true historical Turning Point. We will either go Left or Right...this middle course cannot endure. There are a LOT of parallels to the late Roman Republic that I won't get into...but any good conservative should read their Cicero and Plutarch. We are heading for an explosive political endpoint and as conservatives we'd better be ready or we'll be waltzing into a  Russia 1917 scenario.

For the record. I see roamer_1 as our very own Cato. Moral. Obstinate. Correct. But impractical and prone to tilting at windmills. God bless has obstinacy and vision but we are in a bitter fight that requires more than rigidity...we must tactically sound and capable of longer term strategic choices. Not compromise...wisdom.
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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #171 on: June 09, 2021, 04:17:49 pm »
Add RSBN's Youtube, Rumble and Facebook audiences and more than 2.5 million watched President Trump's keynote speech at the NC GOP Convention on Sat, Jun 5   ---   No wonder the socialists are throwing Obama back in front of the cameras.   888blackhat


https://twitter.com/newsmax/status/1402606466222026763



https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1401331545575669766


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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #172 on: June 09, 2021, 04:34:10 pm »
roamer1:
Yeah, bullcrap. Just because I deny your idiot prince does not mean I am hand in hand with democrats - I deny their idiot prince too, and everything they do, even more than Republicans. A pox on both your houses!

christian:
Wow, for all the endless times of NeverTrumping, to his great detriment, it's just amazing how many times you have NEVERBIDEN-ED.  AS YOU POSTURE EQUAL TREATMENT, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU DEMONIZED AND NEVERBIDEN-ED HERE ? DON'T BE SHY AND BASHFUL NOW, YOU HAVEN'T BEEN SHY AND BASHFUL BASHING TRUMP, YAH, KNOW.
eH?  ROAMER ?
nUMBER PLEASE ?
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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #173 on: June 09, 2021, 04:40:45 pm »
Self-labeled "conservatives" always spend much more time training their weapons on Republicans than they do the much worse Democrats.  It's how the world works.
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Re: David Marcus defines the New Right conservative movement
« Reply #174 on: June 09, 2021, 05:02:02 pm »
Add RSBN's Youtube, Rumble and Facebook audiences and more than 2.5 million watched President Trump's keynote speech at the NC GOP Convention on Sat, Jun 5   ---   No wonder the socialists are throwing Obama back in front of the cameras.   888blackhat


https://twitter.com/newsmax/status/1402606466222026763



https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1401331545575669766
Not too shabby considering no one else, not even Fox, carried the speech.