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Dear GOP: Move On From Trump Without Repudiating His Voters

Those who genuinely want a post-Trump GOP should focus on developing better options politically as well as in personality and policy.

By Nathanael Blake
May 18, 2021

Has-beens, might-have-beens, and never-weres will not move the Republican Party past Trump. Their latest stunt is another group project — the “Call for American Renewal” — that threatens to form a third party. Once again, the Never Trump dead-enders will try anything to take back the GOP from Donald Trump; anything, of course, other than appealing to actual Republican voters.

Yes, the GOP needs a new leader. Yet the way to move on from Trump is to move on from Trump, instead of keeping the political world revolving around him.

Trump is now another Florida retiree. Kicked off major social media, he has started a blog that only draws a fraction of his former audience. While he still has influence, he is increasingly irrelevant to the day-to-day work of Republican politics in statehouses and DC.

Thus, there is a strong case to be made that ignoring Trump is the best option currently available to Republicans. Time and irrelevance may sap affection for Trump more than direct attacks ever have. In contrast, endlessly debating the Trump years — from the 2016 Republican Party primary to the capitol riot — will not move the party forward.

Although doing so may please the small portion of the GOP that wants to see Trump officially repudiated, ultimately, it will only keep rallying the former president’s staunchest supporters while annoying the rest of us. Few Republicans regret supporting Trump over Joe Biden, even if they think it will be time for someone new in 2024.

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Re: Dear GOP: Move On From Trump Without Repudiating His Voters
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2021, 03:10:10 pm »
Bottom line: Trump can't win in 2024.

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Re: Dear GOP: Move On From Trump Without Repudiating His Voters
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2021, 03:52:07 pm »

Without Cheeto Jesus, what does the GOP have to offer paycheck serfs?

I know they offer tax breaks to corporations.

I know they offer lower capital gains tax.

They were nice enough to cut my Federal income tax from 28% to 25% while eliminating my SALT deductions.

I know the GOP healthcare policy is unassisted euthenasia.

Does the GOP have an education policy?

Does the GOP have a domestic supply chain security policy?

Does the GOP have a domestic manufacturing security policy?

Does the GOP have a domestic energy security policy?

Does the GOP have anti-trust policy goals?

Does the GOP have a GDP growth policy (not just giving tax breaks to corporations so they can buy back stock, which does nothing to grow GDP)?

My experience has been that Democrats think I, as a white male heterosexual Christian of Western European descent, am to blame for all the world's problems.

Also, my experience has been that Republicans give lip service to family values and culture wars, but continue to sell out my economic interests to globalists and domestic oligarchs.

So, if the GOP, without the Oompa-Loompa-in-Chief, has anything to offer working Americans I'd like to hear it.

Thank you.
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Re: Dear GOP: Move On From Trump Without Repudiating His Voters
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2021, 05:01:13 pm »
Dear GOP: Move On From Trump Without Repudiating His Voters
Those who genuinely want a post-Trump GOP should focus on developing better options politically as well as in personality and policy. By Nathanael Blake, May 18, 2021
Yes, the GOP needs a new leader. Yet the way to move on from Trump is to move on from Trump, instead of keeping the political world revolving around him.
Trump is now another Florida retiree. Kicked off major social media, he has started a blog that only draws a fraction of his former audience. While he still has influence, he is increasingly irrelevant to the day-to-day work of Republican politics in statehouses and DC.
Thus, there is a strong case to be made that ignoring Trump is the best option currently available to Republicans. Time and irrelevance may sap affection for Trump more than direct attacks ever have. In contrast, endlessly debating the Trump years — from the 2016 Republican Party primary to the capitol riot — will not move the party forward.
Although doing so may please the small portion of the GOP that wants to see Trump officially repudiated, ultimately, it will only keep rallying the former president’s staunchest supporters while annoying the rest of us. Few Republicans regret supporting Trump over Joe Biden, even if they think it will be time for someone new in 2024.
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What resonates from this sanctimonious blather is that politics is the compulsive & dominating obsession of the scribbling/yapping class (journalism) no matter the buffoon, be it Trump or
some other fraud and hustler. And that cold reality says everything about what we we have
become as a culture/society and what we value as a nation/state.
Down thru history, ideas fed achievements permitting Man to survive, then thrive; while leaving examples to future generations worthy of emulation.
Our first 5 included Jefferson, Madison and Monroe. Now contrast them to our last 5?
Yet our journo assholery wants to endlessly debate the merits of the latter???
Then many wonder why we are in our obvious decline!!!
 

 
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Re: Dear GOP: Move On From Trump Without Repudiating His Voters
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2021, 06:06:37 pm »
Dear GOP,

Move on from the Spending Trump, keep the American Trump, and you won't offend one Trump voter, not one.

How's that for a plan?

Better yet, practive Trump Tweet.   It's a very effective method of pissing off the Rodents and helping Americans identify who's a real American and who's a closet Never Trumping Principled Conservative Panty Waist RINO crybaby.
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Re: Dear GOP: Move On From Trump Without Repudiating His Voters
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2021, 06:33:06 pm »
Blake wrote the same sort of pious stuff in January 2021. 

I would have no objection to leaving the man Trump, provided the major policies of Americans First were continued in 2022 and/or 2024.  There are a few possibilities in the wings now, but too soon to see if Trump's courage & stamina to go against the Deep State will be in any successor.
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Re: Dear GOP: Move On From Trump Without Repudiating His Voters
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2021, 06:34:08 pm »
Dear GOP: Move On From Trump Without Repudiating His Voters

Those who genuinely want a post-Trump GOP should focus on developing better options politically as well as in personality and policy.

By Nathanael Blake
May 18, 2021

Has-beens, might-have-beens, and never-weres will not move the Republican Party past Trump. Their latest stunt is another group project — the “Call for American Renewal” — that threatens to form a third party. Once again, the Never Trump dead-enders will try anything to take back the GOP from Donald Trump; anything, of course, other than appealing to actual Republican voters.

Yes, the GOP needs a new leader. Yet the way to move on from Trump is to move on from Trump, instead of keeping the political world revolving around him.

Trump is now another Florida retiree. Kicked off major social media, he has started a blog that only draws a fraction of his former audience. While he still has influence, he is increasingly irrelevant to the day-to-day work of Republican politics in statehouses and DC.

Thus, there is a strong case to be made that ignoring Trump is the best option currently available to Republicans. Time and irrelevance may sap affection for Trump more than direct attacks ever have. In contrast, endlessly debating the Trump years — from the 2016 Republican Party primary to the capitol riot — will not move the party forward.

Although doing so may please the small portion of the GOP that wants to see Trump officially repudiated, ultimately, it will only keep rallying the former president’s staunchest supporters while annoying the rest of us. Few Republicans regret supporting Trump over Joe Biden, even if they think it will be time for someone new in 2024.

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I voted for Trump twice, and I would do so a third time. However, I don't believe in Trump's 2020 election was stolen narrative. I voted for Trump because he spoke the truth on Wokeness, back in June 2020 when the rest of official conservatism was either taking a knew, shining a black man's shoes, or needlessly tearing down statues.

As for economic issues... meh. Do you for you and yours. I don't need to rely on the GOP to get paid, I can do so just fine. Something bigger is at stake IMO. And anyway, Biden seems like he's tanking the economy anyway, which is unsurprising.

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Re: Dear GOP: Move On From Trump Without Repudiating His Voters
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2021, 06:40:02 pm »
Without Cheeto Jesus, what does the GOP have to offer paycheck serfs?

So much to answer here.   

Tell us, why is the GOP or any political party supposed to give WORKERS (how wonderfully condescending of the RINOs to call working Americans "serfs".  Let's us know right off the bat their goals are no different than the Rodents')

Under the Constitution, what is the federal government supposed to "provide" Americans?

Hint:  Nothing involving money transfers.

Other questions:   
Why do you view yourself as a serf?
Who owes you a living and when did they volunteer for the job of pet-owner?
Who said "he who is willing to give up a little freedom for a little security has a little penis"?

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I know they offer tax breaks to corporations.

Oh, those EVILLLLL corporations.

Explain how a corporation pays taxes.   How much of the corporation's money is allocated towards taxes and how much of the taxes paid to the government is merely collected by the corporation from customers and funneled to the government as a form of hidden taxation on the corporation's customers?

Your statement indicates that your ignorance is vast.

We're not from the government and we're not really here to help, but many here will try to help you with your disorder if you ask nicely.

Question:
Is it the purpose of a corporation to transfer hidden taxes to the government from the people, or simply to provide the best goods and services in the most efficient manner possible in a competitive marketplace?

How does a corporation acting as a hidden tax collector add to the corporations efficiency in providing goods and services in a competitive market place?

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I know they offer lower capital gains tax.

Why should the government tax people an extra tax just because they planned carefully, got lucky, or simply rode an inflationary wave the government caused?

Whose money is it, any way?

There should be no capital gains taxation.   The existence of capital gains is a benefit to society and the sole purpose of taxation outside of generation of needed revenues is the discouragement of unwanted behaviors.   

The taxation of capital gains is an admission by fascists that they don't want capitalism to succeed, or for people to profit from wise economic decisions.

Glad to see you're opposed to capitalism.

Explain why capital gain, of any form in any amount, should not simply be treated as income and the income simply taxed as all other forms of income are taxed.

I mean, besides that fact that it's just unfair that some people make more money than you do and should be punished.

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They were nice enough to cut my Federal income tax from 28% to 25% while eliminating my SALT deductions.

Why should the federal government grant deductions based on where you live?   Ever read the 14th Amendment?   It says that all persons are guaranteed EQUAL protections under the law, not that people in California can get a bigger tax deduction because California taxes more than people in Texas.

Why, also, should the people of Texas pay the state of California for California's rapacioius tax laws?  Shouldn't the people of California get to enjoy the FULL BENEFIT of living here, including the inestimable pleasure of PAYING for what they get in return for living here?

If the people of California don't like paying California state taxes, may they can get their legislature to stop taxing them so much?  How's that for an idea?   Funny how RINOs NEVER want to reduce taxes in real terms.   

The federal limit on SALT is one of the very best things Trump has done for America.

You are the only one to whine about it.   Oh, and Nancy Pelosi.  So you're just like Nancy.  You ever rip up an speeches on national TV?

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know the GOP healthcare policy is unassisted euthenasia.

Compared to abortion, right?

Here's an idea:   Next time you get sick and feel a lump, try going to England and seeing how the British doctors treat their patients.  Their patients have to have a lot of patience because they have to wait to get treated.

Or you can pretend to be a military veteran and get UK-style health care from the VA.   

Where in the Constitution does it grant the Congress the power to provide health services?   Inquiring minds don't have to ask, because people with minds know it isn't in there.

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Does the GOP have an education policy?

Yes.   Education is a matter left entirely to the state and local government under the Constitution of the United States.   Refer to the Sixth SOTU address by Thomas Jefferson.

Cite the Amendment to the Constitution that permits Congress to fund or otherwise interfere or provide education on the national level.

That's a damn good conservative education position.   You can't argue against it.   

It's not even orange. 

Oh, and btw, as a Syracuse University alum, I find your repeated denigration of Orangemen to be offensive.

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Does the GOP have a domestic supply chain security policy?

Yes, it's called America First, America Always.

Trump was moving in that direction quite well.  RINOs hated him for it.

Because no RINO is an American.

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Does the GOP have a domestic manufacturing security policy?

Don't know what that means.

Maybe if our CIA, NSA and FBI got out of the domestic coup business and went back to work protecting the American people, we might start enforcing one.

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DOes the GOP have a domestic energy security policy?

We were energy independent until the Dementia Coup of 2020.

Energy independence is a damn fine place to start with energy security.

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Does the GOP have anti-trust policy goals?

Should not.   Trusts are only possible when the power of government is abused to exclude competition from the market place.   The anti-trust policy should be nothing but preventing the abuse of government power in industry.

Something the RINOs can't possible understand.

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Does the GOP have a GDP growth policy (not just giving tax breaks to corporations so they can buy back stock, which does nothing to grow GDP)?

You mean like bringing manufacturing back to the US, lowering taxes, eliminating regulations, encouraging personal investment by privatizing and phasing out the unconstitutional Socialist Security Ponzi Scheme, implementing a flat tax plan, reducing US taxes to levels below the tax levels of all other industrialized countries, ending deficit spending and making socialism as illegal in practice as it now is under the Constitution?

What else would an American need to live, thrive and survive?

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My experience has been that Democrats think I, as a white male heterosexual Christian of Western European descent, am to blame for all the world's problems.

One horned African plains defecators are often blamed for Chinese impotence, too.

How does giving in to the Democrats' claims affect the impotency of the Chinese short-penised autocrat?

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Also, my experience has been that Republicans give lip service to family values and culture wars, but continue to sell out my economic interests to globalists and domestic oligarchs.

You've sold out your own economic interests.  Just read what you whine about.   You don't have a clue what the real problems are and you clearly don't have a clue on how real Americans make things really work.

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So, if the GOP, without the Oompa-Loompa-in-Chief, has anything to offer working Americans I'd like to hear it.

Thank you.

You're welcome.

Real Republicans don't have the questions you do.

Now you have real answers to your little problems.  What are you going to do with them?
« Last Edit: May 18, 2021, 06:45:47 pm by Sled Dog »
The GOP is not the party leadership.  The GOP is the party MEMBERSHIP.   The members need to kick the leaders out if they leaders are going the wrong way.  No coddling allowed.

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Re: Dear GOP: Move On From Trump Without Repudiating His Voters
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2021, 06:47:08 pm »
Blake wrote the same sort of pious stuff in January 2021. 

I would have no objection to leaving the man Trump, provided the major policies of Americans First were continued in 2022 and/or 2024.  There are a few possibilities in the wings now, but too soon to see if Trump's courage & stamina to go against the Deep State will be in any successor.

You don't have to believe in a fact for the fact to have it's own independent existence.

In fact, facts are never dependent on someone's personal beliefs to exist.

They simply are.

One such fact is the Stolen Election of 2020.
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Re: Dear GOP: Move On From Trump Without Repudiating His Voters
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2021, 06:50:39 pm »
I voted for Trump twice, and I would do so a third time. However, I don't believe in Trump's 2020 election was stolen narrative. I voted for Trump because he spoke the truth on Wokeness, back in June 2020 when the rest of official conservatism was either taking a knew, shining a black man's shoes, or needlessly tearing down statues.

As for economic issues... meh. Do you for you and yours. I don't need to rely on the GOP to get paid, I can do so just fine. Something bigger is at stake IMO. And anyway, Biden seems like he's tanking the economy anyway, which is unsurprising.

President Trump was excellent for the economy; he brought jobs back. Under his administration we experienced the lowest Black unemployment and Hispanic unemployment in history.  We gained energy independence. Above all we experienced once again a sense of American  patriotism and pride.

What's at stake?? There should be absolutely no doubt that the Biden administration is quickly marching us towards socialism/marxism/communism.    IMHO that has been the goal of the leftists and certainly we are now continuing Bammy's transformation of America. The globalists had to do everything to ensure that Trump didn't win and that included stealing an election and inflicting the Chinese virus on us.  I am 99.99% convinced.
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Re: Dear GOP: Move On From Trump Without Repudiating His Voters
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2021, 06:58:53 pm »
I voted for Trump twice, and I would do so a third time. However, I don't believe in Trump's 2020 election was stolen narrative.

I didn't vote for him at all - But I do want to believe the stolen election shtick - at least some of it... But that is cynicism and emotion more than logic - Logic will require proof. And I will hold out for that rather than joining the chorus.

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Re: Dear GOP: Move On From Trump Without Repudiating His Voters
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2021, 07:07:09 pm »
I didn't vote for him at all - But I do want to believe the stolen election shtick - at least some of it... But that is cynicism and emotion more than logic - Logic will require proof. And I will hold out for that rather than joining the chorus.

The proof is given.

It's found in the Constitution.

You don't want proof.

You want to sound pious.

The GOP is not the party leadership.  The GOP is the party MEMBERSHIP.   The members need to kick the leaders out if they leaders are going the wrong way.  No coddling allowed.

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Re: Dear GOP: Move On From Trump Without Repudiating His Voters
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2021, 07:09:57 pm »
The proof is given.

It's found in the Constitution.

You don't want proof.

You want to sound pious.

No, I want proof. Convictions. That is not pious, that is reasonable caution to mind the rule of law, and eschew the waggin tongues in the press... which 9 times out of 10 are wrong.

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Re: Dear GOP: Move On From Trump Without Repudiating His Voters
« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2021, 07:12:16 pm »
No, I want proof. Convictions. That is not pious, that is reasonable caution to mind the rule of law, and eschew the waggin tongues in the press... which 9 times out of 10 are wrong.

As said, you have proof.

YOU are not a court of law.    Your doubts are also unreasonable.

The GOP is not the party leadership.  The GOP is the party MEMBERSHIP.   The members need to kick the leaders out if they leaders are going the wrong way.  No coddling allowed.

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« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2021, 07:15:18 pm »
As said, you have proof.

YOU are not a court of law.    Your doubts are also unreasonable.

No, they are not. They start with a disbelief of the press. Any press. I find very little of it to be trustworthy. Truth lies dead in the streets.

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Re: Dear GOP: Move On From Trump Without Repudiating His Voters
« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2021, 07:19:06 pm »
No, they are not. They start with a disbelief of the press. Any press. I find very little of it to be trustworthy. Truth lies dead in the streets.

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. H. L. Mencken


Like I said, the Constitution's REQUIREMENTS regarding the selection of the electors has been violated.   This is not something subject to your whims and desires.  It's a fact.  Sufficient numbers of states violated those requirements that Biden did not have the requisite majority of electors.

This still isn't a matter for debate, it's a matter of established fact.

Yet you deny this.

Why should anyone waste their time discussing the OTHER Rodent malfeasances when you won't get off your ass and even concur that the election was illegitimate in the first place?

Like I said, you do not want proof.  You've been given proof and you don't want proof.  This is another established fact.

But you've already lost this argument.

You've lost it every time you've embarked upon it.

This thread is about the retarded RINOs and how they don't like Trump.

I've corrected them, above.

RINOs are naturally retarded, but demanding the Americans join them in their idiotic detestation of the best president since Reagan is a bit much.   They don't even understand what aspects a conservative must have to be even considered part of the club.

Liking America is just one of the things Principled Conservative (TM) Never Trumping RINO fools don't have.
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Re: Dear GOP: Move On From Trump Without Repudiating His Voters
« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2021, 07:32:07 pm »
Like I said, the Constitution's REQUIREMENTS regarding the selection of the electors has been violated.   This is not something subject to your whims and desires.  It's a fact.  Sufficient numbers of states violated those requirements that Biden did not have the requisite majority of electors.

This still isn't a matter for debate, it's a matter of established fact.

Yet you deny this.


I don't deny it - Until it is proven in court or enforced by the various legislatures, it doesn't matter. You can whine and cry and throw dirt in the air all you want, but as a matter of legal proof, it must be made true within the confines of a legal proceeding, where proofs are verified outside of the press, and where the intricacies of the law are argued.

Literally, until that happens, you've got nothing. So why get your panties in a wad?

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Why should anyone waste their time discussing the OTHER Rodent malfeasances when you won't get off your ass and even concur that the election was illegitimate in the first place?

Because I do not concur. I will concur when there are convictions. Innocent until proven guilty. That is the standard, and I will not lightly throw that aside. That requires guilt found in a court or legal proceeding.

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Like I said, you do not want proof.  You've been given proof and you don't want proof.  This is another established fact.

That is not proof.

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Re: Dear GOP: Move On From Trump Without Repudiating His Voters
« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2021, 07:36:05 pm »
I don't deny it - Until it is proven in court or enforced by the various legislatures, it doesn't matter. You can whine and cry and throw dirt in the air all you want, but as a matter of legal proof, it must be made true within the confines of a legal proceeding, where proofs are verified outside of the press, and where the intricacies of the law are argued.

Literally, until that happens, you've got nothing. So why get your panties in a wad?

Because I do not concur. I will concur when there are convictions. Innocent until proven guilty. That is the standard, and I will not lightly throw that aside. That requires guilt found in a court or legal proceeding.

That is not proof.

Yes, you don't deny that the election was stolen but you do not concur with the consensus that the election was stolen.

How are those splinters doing for ya?
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Re: Dear GOP: Move On From Trump Without Repudiating His Voters
« Reply #18 on: May 18, 2021, 07:48:57 pm »
Yes, you don't deny that the election was stolen but you do not concur with the consensus that the election was stolen.

How are those splinters doing for ya?

No splinters - I have made my position quite clear: I believe there was fraud (there always is). I was ALL FOR the kraken... Dominion - Because it would neatly prove a conspiracy across state lines - But that so far, has turned out to be bullcrap (hoisted up in the right leaning press, mind you).

Now there is very little chance of proving conspiracy across state lines (so there will be no organizational prosecution), so all you get is left to individual states, and particular counties within those states. It is turning out to be a big fat nothing. At best in AZ, you'll be lucky to get a couple precinct captains heads to roll... Even if you DO finally prove the state should have gone to Tumpy.

So it don't matter what you think you know. Or what I think I know. It don't matter what twitterpated news you bend to. Where the rubber meets the road, where any of it matters AT ALL, is when there are convictions. Up till then you can get as twisted and verklempt as you want - It is all for nothing.

That is why I very studiously wait for the truth to out. Because until it does, it is all wasted motion.

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Re: Dear GOP: Move On From Trump Without Repudiating His Voters
« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2021, 07:56:48 pm »
Yes, you've made your attempt to occupy both sides of the position very clear indeed.

Too bad there's no denying that the election was stolen by the most massive vote fraud operation in history and that there's no denying also that the Constitutional requirements regarding how states choose their electors was also violated.

ALL the evidence shows that the Rodents engaged in massive vote fraud, massive enough to steal the elections in many states, enough states to steal the electoral college.

The evidence also shows that the Constitutional requirements for faithful electors was not met.

There IS NO OTHER SIDE to this coinage.   It's a Mobius strip, all sides show massive election fraud and massive unconstitutional activity.

Which was why I was wondering how people like you manage to get splinters when there is in reality no freaking fence to sit on.
The GOP is not the party leadership.  The GOP is the party MEMBERSHIP.   The members need to kick the leaders out if they leaders are going the wrong way.  No coddling allowed.

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Re: Dear GOP: Move On From Trump Without Repudiating His Voters
« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2021, 08:05:12 pm »
Yes, you've made your attempt to occupy both sides of the position very clear indeed.

Too bad there's no denying that the election was stolen by the most massive vote fraud operation in history and that there's no denying also that the Constitutional requirements regarding how states choose their electors was also violated.

ALL the evidence shows that the Rodents engaged in massive vote fraud, massive enough to steal the elections in many states, enough states to steal the electoral college.

The evidence also shows that the Constitutional requirements for faithful electors was not met.

There IS NO OTHER SIDE to this coinage.   It's a Mobius strip, all sides show massive election fraud and massive unconstitutional activity.

Which was why I was wondering how people like you manage to get splinters when there is in reality no freaking fence to sit on.

Nah. It means nothing until it is proven. See what the AZ audit turns up. Then maybe we will have something to agree upon. Up until then it's all waggin tongues and blustering armchair lawyers.

Sorry, but that's the truth of it as it is right now.

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Re: Dear GOP: Move On From Trump Without Repudiating His Voters
« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2021, 08:07:24 pm »
Roamer, you're dealing w/a dead-end here.
The Messiah's of history (Koresh, Jones and Trump, among many) are capable of mesmerizing
their disciples/devotees into accepting/believing anything/everything they utter.
Trump asserts the election was stolen so it's Gospel to his followers, not needing legalisms.
Reflect on the Clown Posse Trump gathered to make his "stolen election" case;
Curley (Giuliani), Larry( Sidney Powell) and Moe( Lin Wood)!!!
Trump has always had a talent for picking character and genius; kindred traits of course!!!

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Re: Dear GOP: Move On From Trump Without Repudiating His Voters
« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2021, 08:08:47 pm »
Roamer, you're dealing w/a dead-end here.
The Messiah's of history (Koresh, Jones and Trump, among many) are capable of mesmerizing
their disciples/devotees into accepting/believing anything/everything they utter.
Trump asserts the election was stolen so its Gospel to his followers, who have no need of legalisms.
Reflect on the Clown Posse Trump gathered  to make his "stolen election" case
Curley (Giuliani), Larry(  Sidney ) and Moe( Lin Wood)!!!

Actually, the election was stolen, so assertions to that effect are on the same order of debate as the direction of the sunrise.

Why do you feel the urge to repeat the Big Lie of the Rodents?

Rodents always have some sort of Big Lie.  They're not communists, they're not marxists, they're not racists, Venezuala isn't real socialism, they're Americans, they love babies, especially with mustard, and now they're insisting they didn't steal the election.  And they always find fools to repeat the Big Lie.   That's weird how there's always someone willing to swallow the hook, isn't it?
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The GOP is not the party leadership.  The GOP is the party MEMBERSHIP.   The members need to kick the leaders out if they leaders are going the wrong way.  No coddling allowed.

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Re: Dear GOP: Move On From Trump Without Repudiating His Voters
« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2021, 08:35:51 pm »
Roamer, you're dealing w/a dead-end here.
The Messiah's of history (Koresh, Jones and Trump, among many) are capable of mesmerizing
their disciples/devotees into accepting/believing anything/everything they utter.
Trump asserts the election was stolen so its Gospel to his followers, who have no need of legalisms.
Reflect on the Clown Posse Trump gathered  to make his "stolen election" case
Curley (Giuliani), Larry(  Sidney ) and Moe( Lin Wood)!!!

I know - I get it. Everybody has the bit in their teeth.
And yeah, if he was serious he'd have had serious lawyers on point - That's half the reason I think it was made for the public square.

But, it is still ~legit~ to make a case, if the case can be made. I have no problem with that. In fact,  I encourage it. I want super clean elections no matter who wins. But it has to be real, and it is not real until it has traction in some sort of legal proceeding. And there is nothing until then, regardless of the reason why.

That's just how it is.