Seed Thoughts to Ponder

[Skull]

The Imaginative Conservative site lays out ten such notions:

https://theimaginativeconservative.org/2021/05/ten-imaginative-conservative-questions-bradley-birzer.html

When Winston Elliott and I first started talking about what a proper online conservative journal might look like, way back in the spring and summer of 2010, we decided on a few things. Most importantly, we wanted real diversity of opinion, not the parroting of some ideological drudgeries. As such, we wanted all schools of non-ideological thought to be able to express their views, but we were most taken with the more traditionalist forms of conservatism—especially as represented by Irving Babbitt, Paul Elmer More, T.S. Eliot, Willa Cather, Russell Kirk, and Robert Nisbet.

[corbe]

   Very Concise and Insightful.  Thanks for sharing @Skull

[skeeter]

   Very Concise and Insightful.  Thanks for sharing @Skull

Yes it is. I had never heard anyone try to differentiate between nationalism and patriotism before. Not sure from whence the writer derived those definitions and I'm not sure I accept them, but it is good food for thought.

[Skull]

Yes it is. I had never heard anyone try to differentiate between nationalism and patriotism before. Not sure from whence the writer derived those definitions and I'm not sure I accept them, but it is good food for thought.

Yes, Birzer's wording in the first clause is not clear, it sounds almost the same as the second.

To be nationalistic is to believe in one’s country no matter her faults; to be patriotic is to love one’s country, despite her faults.

I guess "no matter her faults" means to deny there are any and/or to explain them as virtues.

[Absalom]

The Imaginative Conservative site lays out ten such notions:

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Skull, worthy indeed, as imagination 'feeds' the Psyche (Soul).
Burke, Hume and others, added Precepts to Conservatism to give it structure and strength:

* Since Eden, the Family Unit of Father, Mother & Children remains the eternal bedrock of Civilization, of Culture, of Society and of the Nation/State.
* Custom and convention are hallmarks of stability within Society.
* The Principle of Prescription asserts precedent is superior to current whims.
* Prudence demands that decisions made in the now, be measured against their
consequences on the future.
* The Psyche (Soul) defines all Men as unequal, so variety has to encourage
creativity and innovation.
* As Man is not perfectible, tolerance must be promoted.
* Personal freedom and private property are intertwined as well as catalysts of individual responsibility.
* Communal voluntarism is inherently superior to the destructive impact of collective
non-voluntarism.
* To survive and thrive, the coercive impulse within governance must be defeated.
* To maintain Nation/State stability, change and permanence must be reconciled.

[skeeter]

Yes, Birzer's wording in the first clause is not clear, it sounds almost the same as the second.

I guess "no matter her faults" means to deny there are any and/or to explain them as virtues.

and neither you nor I know anyone who would attempt such rationalization.

[Skull]

and neither you nor I know anyone who would attempt such rationalization.

Birzer explains in the comments section over at IC:

I could’ve worded this better. But, yes, I was thinking in terms of exactly what you suggest in the second paragraph. I meant that nationalism can be a cover for our sins, whereas patriotism is a recognition of our virtues as well as our sins.

[Cyber Liberty]

"When Winston Elliott and I first started talking about what a proper online conservative journal might look like..."