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Senate poised for all-day brawl over sweeping elections bill
By Jordain Carney - 05/11/21 06:00 AM EDT

Senators are set for a high-stakes battle over one of Democrats’ biggest priorities that could have repercussions not only for the 2022 midterm elections but the Senate itself.

The Senate Rules Committee will meet on Tuesday to debate and vote on a sweeping elections bill that progressives view as crucial to the future of democracy and Republicans see as a federal takeover of the voting process.

The bill comes as GOP-led states around the country are proposing and enacting laws to rein in ballot box access, fueling pressure for Democrats to use their razor-thin congressional majorities to step in. Underscoring how important it is to the party, Democrats reserved their first legislative slot — S. 1 in the Senate and H.R. 1 in the House — for the legislation, known as the For the People Act.

Senate Majority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) are expected to take part in Tuesday’s committee meeting, lending their heft and headline-grabbing prowess to what’s expected to be a contentious hours-long hearing divided along party lines. Though they are both members of the panel, and former chairmen, they rarely attend the committee hearings.

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Re: Senate poised for all-day brawl over sweeping elections bill
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2021, 05:43:04 pm »
HR 1 is unconstitutional

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Re: Senate poised for all-day brawl over sweeping elections bill
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2021, 09:25:36 pm »
HR 1 is unconstitutional

Don't count on the SCOTUS seeing it that way. It was widely believed that obamacare would be declared unconstitutional and the SCOTUS failed us on that.
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Re: Senate poised for all-day brawl over sweeping elections bill
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2021, 09:33:26 pm »
Don't count on the SCOTUS seeing it that way. It was widely believed that obamacare would be declared unconstitutional and the SCOTUS failed us on that.
Roberts failed us on that. He rewrote the law to deem it okay. (How many times prior to his ruling did we hear words to the effect of 'it's a penalty for not participating, not a tax on breathing'?) Then he calls it a tax.
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Re: Senate poised for all-day brawl over sweeping elections bill
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2021, 03:08:24 am »
Roberts failed us on that. He rewrote the law to deem it okay. (How many times prior to his ruling did we hear words to the effect of 'it's a penalty for not participating, not a tax on breathing'?) Then he calls it a tax.

I'm with you, except how many times has this kind of thing happened and the only difference was the name of the person who failed us.
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Re: Senate poised for all-day brawl over sweeping elections bill
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2021, 05:22:57 am »
The democrats agendas have been pro our enemies and foreigners/nations, and fraught with greed and felonious behaviors and manipulations.  Why people treat them with respect is beyond me, those that openly call them traitors in public are the ones that understand who and what they are and they are millions that know that didn't have the opportunity to accost the degenerate traitorous bums publicly..
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Re: Senate poised for all-day brawl over sweeping elections bill
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2021, 01:23:13 am »
Roberts failed us on that. He rewrote the law to deem it okay. (How many times prior to his ruling did we hear words to the effect of 'it's a penalty for not participating, not a tax on breathing'?) Then he calls it a tax.

Roberts called MessiahCare a tax, to make it look okay, kind of, not really since healthcare is covered under the Tenth and Ninth Amendments, but by unconstitutionally re-writing the MessiahCare to translate "fine" into "tax", that treasonous homo did something else to make MessiahCare unconstitutional.

MessiahCare originated in the Senate.

Once MessiahCare became a de-facto "tax bill", it became a revenue bill.  And the Constitution REQUIRES that all revenue bills originate in the HOUSE, not the Senate.

Roberts is such a pig.

No matter how it's sliced, by unconstitutionally mandating private citizens purchase something or else pay a fine, or by calling the fine a tax, MessiahCare just shredded the Constitution.

I thought it was funny when that idiot Roberts, obeying his blackmailer's orders (to be kind, let's assume the homo is being blackmailed, not that he orginally planned on becoming a complete traitor), his ruling on Arizona's AB1047 was amusing and it's a shame Trump's advisors were so toxic they didn't call this up and challenge the treasonous "sanctuary" movements.   You see, in that ruling, Roberts, siding with the Rodent majority, ruled that, to dismiss the Arizona law forbidding the hiring of illegal aliens in Arizona, that the Federal Government, per the Constitution, was the SOLE authority in immigration and the states and localities had NO SAY on the matter.   Get it?   All Trump had to do, if he'd had decent advisors, was to challenge those state laws in federal court and per stare decisis, those laws would have been swept away.


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Re: Senate poised for all-day brawl over sweeping elections bill
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2021, 01:29:44 am »
The democrats agendas have been pro our enemies and foreigners/nations, and fraught with greed and felonious behaviors and manipulations.  Why people treat them with respect is beyond me, those that openly call them traitors in public are the ones that understand who and what they are and they are millions that know that didn't have the opportunity to accost the degenerate traitorous bums publicly..

I don't treat Rodents with respect.

I have no idea what is wrong with people who do.
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« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2021, 02:15:23 am »
I'm with you, except how many times has this kind of thing happened and the only difference was the name of the person who failed us.

King George got away with far less.

He only:
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He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public Good.

Compare to the Rodents' EO Flurry on Usurpation Day, undoing the good Trump wrought.

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He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing Importance, unless suspended in their Operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

There are laws against the Most Massive Voter Fraud Operation in History.  Needless to say, those laws, like the laws Hillary and Hoover Biden and Senile Joe the Usurper and Obama violated, along with every other Rodent, are ignored in a two-tier in-Just Us manuever.

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He has refused to pass other Laws for the Accommodation of large Districts of People, unless those People would relinquish the Right of Representation in the Legislature, a Right inestimable to them, and formidable to Tyrants only.

No Just Us, no peace.   

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He has called together Legislative Bodies at Places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the Depository of their public Records, for the sole Purpose of fatiguing them into Compliance with his Measures.

In the world of high-speed mass transportation, this isn't a real issue any more, I suppose.  What the Rodents were doing is using the  Chinese Virus as an excuse to disperse Congress and prevent needful legislation from occuring.

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He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly Firmness his Invasions on the Rights of the People.

Whoops.   See my previous comment.

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He has refused for a long Time, after such Dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the Dangers of Invasion from without, and Convulsions within.

Hasn't really dissolved any legislatures.  Well, some Rodents assemblies in recent years have fled to other states to avoid quorums and thus prevent their states from passing needed legislation . States should have rules that say if the legislator deliberately absents himself for scheduled session, then the number required for quorum is reduced by TWO.   Make absenteeism carry a burden.

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He has endeavoured to prevent the Population of these States; for that Purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their Migrations hither, and raising the Conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

Yeah, the Rodents are certainly famous for obstructing and flatly violating laws regarding naturalization and immigration.

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He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

According the Rodents, Just Us means that Rodents don't get prosecuted for ANYTHING, Americans get  prosecuted for breathing wrong.

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He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the Tenure of their Offices, and the Amount and Payment of their Salaries.

Ahem.

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He has erected a Multitude of new Offices, and sent hither Swarms of Officers to harrass our People, and eat out their Substance.

IRS.
EPA.
FBI.
BATF.
DEA.
Department of Agriculture.
Department of Energy.
Socialist Security Ponzi Scheme Agency.
Department of Education.
Giving lawyers to illegal aliens.
Foreign aid in an era of deficit spending.

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He has kept among us, in Times of Peace, Standing Armies, without the consent of our Legislatures.

The two fascist groups Antifa and (b)LM, to name just two.

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He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

Yup.  The Obama Purge continues.  Practically no Americans are left in US military high command.

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He has combined with others to subject us to a Jurisdiction foreign to our Constitution, and unacknowledged by our Laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
          For quartering large Bodies of Armed Troops among us: Illegal aliens, Antifa, (b)LM
          For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from Punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States: actually, they just dismiss charges, create no-cash-bail releases, or simply refuse to file charges against the terrorists of Antifa and (b)LM
          For cutting off our Trade with all Parts of the World: or shipping our manufacturing jobs to China
          For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:MessiahCare was passed by the lone vote of a stolen Senate Seat
          For depriving us, in many Cases, of the Benefits of Trial by Jury:or corrupted the jury, as happened for Derek Chauvin and others
          For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended Offences:actually, I never liked much of the so-called PATRIOT Act.   IMO Gitmo is under US jurisdiction. 
          For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an arbitrary Government, and enlarging its Boundaries, so as to render it at once an Example and fit Instrument for introducing the same absolute Rule into these Colonies:Today's equivalent is trying to turn America in Eurotrashland. Ruth Buzzy Ginsberg wanted to use foreign law if the Constitution couldn't give her the answer she wanted.

I lost track of the indents, etc.  Sorry.

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For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

Like maybe taking away the entire US government by means of repeated electoral theft, some 2008 and forward.

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For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with Power to legislate for us in all Cases whatsoever.

Definitely the Most Massive Vote Fraud Operation in history.   Also concerted Rodent efforts to Federalize EVERYTHING.

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He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

When the law isn't applied to the Rodent terrorists, government has been abdicated and is actually waging war by proxy against the citizenry.

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He has plundered our Seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our Towns, and destroyed the Lives of our People.

(b)LM and the Summer of Mostly Peaceful Arson.  Portland.

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He is, at this Time, transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the Works of Death, Desolation, and Tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty and Perfidy, scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous Ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized Nation.

Those were Hessian.   Today's Rodents are importing illegal alien gangsters, who shoot our Katie Steinle's with complete impunity.

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He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the Executioners of their Friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

A political party that sucks up to China and murders babies isn't staying away from human trafficking.   The Rodents do not care about true morality.

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He has excited domestic Insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the Inhabitants of our Frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known Rule of Warfare, is an undistinguished Destruction, of all Ages, Sexes and Conditions.

Antifa and (b)LM, our domestic moronic savages who are going to be really surprised when the mass of the people get fed up with them.

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In every stage of these Oppressions we have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble Terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated Injury. A Prince, whose Character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the Ruler of a free People.

We've tried to do things the right way.  The Constitution leaves us options still.

I do expect that some readers won't recognize the source document.  They should ask where it came from for enlightenment.
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Re: Senate poised for all-day brawl over sweeping elections bill
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2021, 07:40:17 am »
Seriously? Not recognize the charges against the King from the Declaration of Independence? Maybe some visitors won't but those of us who 'hang out' here assuredly will.

The problem is, things you cite as Democrat policy aren't just.

Before China, there was the 'Great Sucking Sound' as H Ross Perot put it, of jobs going south to Mexico, of computer chips being made in Central America.

All done during Republican Administrations.

What a couple of us are trying to get you to see, and you are half way there, is that the perfidy in our Government is not confined to one side of the aisle, by any means.

The Party label is no longer any sort of guarantee that a candidate will behave in harmony with the Constitution, and some, egregiously, have not.  Perhaps the greatest departure from principle occurred when the GOP held the trifecta, House, Senate, and White House, and did nothing to reverse the damaging policies of the past.
In that flurry of inaction, they failed miserably to repeal the ACA "root and branch", They failed to reverse, statutorily, the depredations of the Obama years, the Clinton years, and more.  For whatever reason, perhaps contempt for the TEA party movement, perhaps just not giving a damn about the Constitution, they failed to enact, and even pursue with vigour such ends.

So, it isn't just the Democrats, a large part of those who claim to be "conservative", by virtue of the GOP label, are not.

When @roamer_1 and I talk of not getting a fire in our bellies over people who run under the brand but who have demonstrated little that actually aligns with conservative principles, well, there isn't much there but another someone standing on a stump promising the moon and stars (again) who will have forgotten every promise long before they are sworn in. Hard to get excited about that.

I'm a mite more forgiving of Trump than some, because he did what he could albeit temporary through E.O.s because the ordinary GOP in Congress would not work to get those things done with laws. At least Trump brought a taste of temporary relief, and we who were watching it go down knew that without the security of statute, it was only a taste, and not a change in the way things were being done. Pity, that, but it's largely on the same people we're supposed to back, and after that performance, they aren't getting a dime out of me to help them occupy a seat a statesman could have had otherwise.
Needless to say, the democrats and their fellow travelers can pound sand, too, even faster, harder, and farther.

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Re: Senate poised for all-day brawl over sweeping elections bill
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2021, 02:33:51 pm »
Bottom line:  The Rules Committee deadlocked on the Bill, so it did not pass.  We still have to keep the heat on, because Schumer can still bring it to the floor.
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Re: Senate poised for all-day brawl over sweeping elections bill
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2021, 04:31:09 pm »
What, y'all don't believe that I know RINO turds smell just as bad as jackass crap?

Seriously?

What the GOP in the Senate should do is, each Republican should stand up and start filibustering.   Each and every one.   Just stand up and start talking about the history of the Democrat party and it's role in promoting slavery and black poverty, how it prevents blacks today from getting a proper education, etc.   Just do a real filibuster and let the screams come.

Filibustering that bill also means the other Rodent trash coming up the pipeline is held up, too.

Nothing bad can come of that.

Too bad that POS McConnell sees this unamerican bill as an "opportunity".  It is, just as the Black Death was an opportunity for the people who didn't die.
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Re: Senate poised for all-day brawl over sweeping elections bill
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2021, 05:55:21 pm »
Article II, Section 1, Clause 2 ----- anything else should be thrown in a dumpster fire.