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Here's How You Know Democrats Rigged and Stole the 2020 Election

Wayne Allyn Root   |   May 09, 2021 12:01 AM


Let me put this in terms even Democrats can understand.

Let's say a white police officer killed a black man who did nothing wrong. Unlike George Floyd, this man had not committed any crime, did not resist arrest, didn't have fentanyl in his system and had no record of violent crime. Assume this poor guy was a law-abiding, taxpaying, churchgoing American and that the cop killed him for the crime of "driving while black."

How do the police react? They say the shooting was righteous. They refuse to investigate. There is bodycam footage, but they refuse to release it. And get this: They refuse to allow anyone to even talk about it. If any cop talks about it, he loses his job. If anyone in the black community talks about it, social media will suspend them or ban them for life.

What would all of that mean to you? Guilty as charged, right? The police must be covering up a crime. No one who's innocent acts like that, right?

Guess what? That's equivalent to the reaction (or, should I say, overreaction) of liberals, Democrats and assorted socialists and communists when Republicans make accusations of massive voter fraud in the 2020 presidential election.  .  .  .

https://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2021/05/09/heres-how-you-know-democrats-rigged-and-stole-the-2020-election-n2589148




If Democrats really believed there was no fraud, then they would welcome with open arms these election audits.
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Re: Here's How You Know Democrats Rigged and Stole the 2020 Election
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2021, 01:54:00 pm »
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Re: Here's How You Know Democrats Rigged and Stole the 2020 Election
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2021, 02:05:08 pm »
Yes, let's investigate the results of the last election. And every election for the last two hundred years. Maybe we can get a lot of elections overturned.
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Re: Here's How You Know Democrats Rigged and Stole the 2020 Election
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2021, 02:05:28 pm »
Denying the rats cheated last November says more about those doing the denying.

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Re: Here's How You Know Democrats Rigged and Stole the 2020 Election
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2021, 02:12:36 pm »
Denying the rats cheated last November says more about those doing the denying.
That's right. It's like denying that you're a racist PROVES!!! you're a racist!!!! Yes, great logic there.
Usually making some claim about a stolen election necessitates actually proving it was stolen. But since His Royal Orangeness claims it was stolen, we'll just take his word for it. Because Trump never lies, right? Who needs proof?

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Re: Here's How You Know Democrats Rigged and Stole the 2020 Election
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2021, 02:20:16 pm »
That's right. It's like denying that you're a racist PROVES!!! you're a racist!!!! Yes, great logic there.
Usually making some claim about a stolen election necessitates actually proving it was stolen. But since His Royal Orangeness claims it was stolen, we'll just take his word for it. Because Trump never lies, right? Who needs proof?

So, what would you do if it's proven the Rats cheated heavily in Maricopa County, and that Trump really won AZ?  Admit you were wrong?  Sign off and leave TBR in shame?  What?

Demanding that other states perform audits is certainly not going to be something you would do.  You are far too comfortable in your fantasy.
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Re: Here's How You Know Democrats Rigged and Stole the 2020 Election
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2021, 02:26:04 pm »
That's right. It's like denying that you're a racist PROVES!!! you're a racist!!!! Yes, great logic there.
Usually making some claim about a stolen election necessitates actually proving it was stolen. But since His Royal Orangeness claims it was stolen, we'll just take his word for it. Because Trump never lies, right? Who needs proof?
Looks from here like you're the one deficient in logic.

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Re: Here's How You Know Democrats Rigged and Stole the 2020 Election
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2021, 02:26:25 pm »
So, what would you do if it's proven the Rats cheated heavily in Maricopa County, and that Trump really won AZ?  Admit you were wrong?  Sign off and leave TBR in shame?  What?

Demanding that other states perform audits is certainly not going to be something you would do.  You are far too comfortable in your fantasy.
Oh my God....the rats cheated? Say it ain't so.
But of course we must accept the word of Dear Leader who claimed, without a shred of proof,  that the election was stolen. Only five more states to go.
Yeah, you're right. I'll just take His Orangeness's word that the election was stolen. In fact, the Dems stole every state, right? Because Trump said so.
Let's just accept Trump's word on everything, JUST BECAUSE HE SAID SO!!
I mean, who needs proof? I'm leaving TBR in shame. Oh, the ignominy.   8888crybaby

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Re: Here's How You Know Democrats Rigged and Stole the 2020 Election
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2021, 02:37:13 pm »
I know because I took the time to watch the legislative hearings that took place in several states and saw quite enough actual EVIDENCE to convince me beyond any doubt!
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Re: Here's How You Know Democrats Rigged and Stole the 2020 Election
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2021, 02:39:58 pm »
I know because I took the time to watch the legislative hearings that took place in several states and saw quite enough actual EVIDENCE to convince me beyond any doubt!

You mean you don't find @goatprairie 's fact based presentation convincing enough?

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Re: Here's How You Know Democrats Rigged and Stole the 2020 Election
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2021, 02:44:35 pm »
You mean you don't find @goatprairie 's fact based presentation convincing enough?

I stopped seeing what that poster says here LONG ago @skeeter as I no longer have time for trolls.
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Re: Here's How You Know Democrats Rigged and Stole the 2020 Election
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2021, 03:02:51 pm »
I'll just take His Orangeness's word that the election was stolen. In fact, the Dems stole every state, right? Because Trump said so.
Let's just accept Trump's word on everything, JUST BECAUSE HE SAID SO!!

No one has to take Trump's word on this.  The evidence is what we all saw - swing states simultaneously suspending vote counting only to deposit hundreds of thousands of votes for Biden such that he miraculously came from behind to win; observers being sent home *on video* in Georgia followed by continued vote counting; obvious violations of Article II of the US Constitution by the Executive and Judicial branches in Pennsylvania.

If Trump were to shut up and go away completely tomorrow, this evidence would still exist.  People can reach their own conclusions about the evidence - some might argue it's unconvincing or insufficient to determine the outcome -  but the evidence is what we actually saw and has nothing to do with anything Trump says or doesn't say.
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Re: Here's How You Know Democrats Rigged and Stole the 2020 Election
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2021, 03:32:56 pm »
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No i think this is what they mean

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I think when most GOP voters say the 2020 election was rigged, they're referring to the general sense that Trump was ill-treated over the course of his presidency (Russiagate, impeachment, media bias, censorship, etc.) more so than to any specific claims of literal election fraud

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Re: Here's How You Know Democrats Rigged and Stole the 2020 Election
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2021, 03:43:04 pm »
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No i think this is what they mean

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It's great seeing you posting!

To the point of your post:  It's nice to see a lefty admit the press bias, but he can't quite force himself to admit there was actual vote cheating.
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Re: Here's How You Know Democrats Rigged and Stole the 2020 Election
« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2021, 03:46:59 pm »
No one has to take Trump's word on this.  The evidence is what we all saw - swing states simultaneously suspending vote counting only to deposit hundreds of thousands of votes for Biden such that he miraculously came from behind to win; observers being sent home *on video* in Georgia followed by continued vote counting; obvious violations of Article II of the US Constitution by the Executive and Judicial branches in Pennsylvania.

If Trump were to shut up and go away completely tomorrow, this evidence would still exist.  People can reach their own conclusions about the evidence - some might argue it's unconvincing or insufficient to determine the outcome -  but the evidence is what we actually saw and has nothing to do with anything Trump says or doesn't say.

I am not against you in this @HoustonSam . But I will object to the term 'evidence'... That which we know not having been vetted, not having been passed through the rigors of any trial or audit.

For instance, the only thing I have seen so far proving the involvement of Dominion seems to be a false narrative involving dark-of-the-night assaults on servers deep in Germany, and a crappy piece of javascript that no coder in his right mind would include in a proper program.

That much has proved out to be nothing more than gossip.

I am ALL FOR auditing the process. I was ALL FOR Tumpy pushing the line and trying to prove and overturn the election.

But the bare fact is that so far, nothing has been validated. Nothing.

Now, I AM watching this Maricopa County audit - And perhaps (just perhaps) it will finally show a smoking gun. And if it does, Hurrah.

But what if it does not?

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Re: Here's How You Know Democrats Rigged and Stole the 2020 Election
« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2021, 04:08:08 pm »
I am not against you in this @HoustonSam . But I will object to the term 'evidence'... That which we know not having been vetted, not having been passed through the rigors of any trial or audit.

No worries @roamer_1.  When I say "evidence" I'm talking about an observation that would lead us as reasoning people to believe something is likely true or at least worthy of further investigation; I'm not talking about a legal standard of evidence.  By definition we have to acknowledge that the evidence has not met a legal standard since so many judges and justices saw fit to slam the courthouse door; but to me that demonstrates not a failure of the evidence but a failure of the legal standard.  It's not that evidence doesn't exist, it's that the evidence has not been considered.

With regard specifically to claims about Dominion, personally I don't find those claims believable and consequently I omit them from my examples.  That line of assertion only dragged the entire question of election integrity into disrepute and licensed the media to claim that anyone raising questions was a paranoid kook, as the late Rush Limbaugh observed.  Let this be an example - we don't effectively advocate for a cause by accepting uncritically any assertion raised on behalf of that cause.  In fact we will just as easily harm the cause when we suspend serious thought in favor of tribal cheerleading.  This is my fundamental grievance against many of Trump's supporters.

I am not watching the Maricopa County audit very closely.  If that audit does not come back with credible *additional* evidence of *specific manipulation of votes* - not statistical improbabilities in outcome or questionable actions by authorities but actual evidence that manipulation did in fact take place and evidence of *how* it took place - then this case must be considered closed.  It's not enough continually to assert "they must be hiding something!!" - it's time to find what they are hiding and if we can't find it then it doesn't exist.
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Re: Here's How You Know Democrats Rigged and Stole the 2020 Election
« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2021, 04:29:12 pm »
@roamer_1  It's illogical to say "no evidence vetted by a trial" when no court has given standing to plaintiffs to enter the evidence.

I do believe, however, that if the audit in Maricopa County shows that "Tumpy" won you would agree something was horribly amiss last November.
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Re: Here's How You Know Democrats Rigged and Stole the 2020 Election
« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2021, 04:36:02 pm »
No worries @roamer_1.  When I say "evidence" I'm talking about an observation that would lead us as reasoning people to believe something is likely true or at least worthy of further investigation; I'm not talking about a legal standard of evidence.  By definition we have to acknowledge that the evidence has not met a legal standard since so many judges and justices saw fit to slam the courthouse door; but to me that demonstrates not a failure of the evidence but a failure of the legal standard.  It's not that evidence doesn't exist, it's that the evidence has not been considered.

With regard specifically to claims about Dominion, personally I don't find those claims believable and consequently I omit them from my examples.  That line of assertion only dragged the entire question of election integrity into disrepute and licensed the media to claim that anyone raising questions was a paranoid kook, as the late Rush Limbaugh observed.  Let this be an example - we don't effectively advocate for a cause by accepting uncritically any assertion raised on behalf of that cause.  In fact we will just as easily harm the cause when we suspend serious thought in favor of tribal cheerleading.  This is my fundamental grievance against many of Trump's supporters.

I am not watching the Maricopa County audit very closely.  If that audit does not come back with credible *additional* evidence of *specific manipulation of votes* - not statistical improbabilities in outcome or questionable actions by authorities but actual evidence that manipulation did in fact take place and evidence of *how* it took place - then this case must be considered closed.  It's not enough continually to assert "they must be hiding something!!" - it's time to find what they are hiding and if we can't find it then it doesn't exist.

I am watching the Maricopa audit closely because it's a "local" story to me.  Dominion is refusing to hand over the Administrative passwords to "their" machines, even though they've been ordered to do so by a Judge.  So, if it's "unbelievable" they are in on the cheat, then what are they hiding from the auditors?

Related:  How can Maricopa County claim to have performed an audit after admitting they never had the passwords?

And why are they (Maricopa County officials) refusing to hand over the modems and routers that may show "their" machines were connected to the internet in violation of Arizona law?
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Re: Here's How You Know Democrats Rigged and Stole the 2020 Election
« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2021, 04:45:27 pm »
I am not against you in this @HoustonSam . But I will object to the term 'evidence'... That which we know not having been vetted, not having been passed through the rigors of any trial or audit.

For instance, the only thing I have seen so far proving the involvement of Dominion seems to be a false narrative involving dark-of-the-night assaults on servers deep in Germany, and a crappy piece of javascript that no coder in his right mind would include in a proper program.

That much has proved out to be nothing more than gossip.

I am ALL FOR auditing the process. I was ALL FOR Tumpy pushing the line and trying to prove and overturn the election.

But the bare fact is that so far, nothing has been validated. Nothing.

Now, I AM watching this Maricopa County audit - And perhaps (just perhaps) it will finally show a smoking gun. And if it does, Hurrah.

But what if it does not?

Actually... It is a fact that Democratic urban strongholds didn't check signatures/envelope information as required by law. The mail in ballot rejection rate in Democratic stronghold swing states was less than 1% while outside those areas it was about 5% - the historical average. That little dirty deed means about 4% more ballots in rural conservative areas were not counted than ballots in urban liberal areas within the same state. That's a huge swing in a swing state. A few percentage point shift in virtually all of these swing states made a huge difference who won both the presidency and the senate.

That is also why in AZ the Democrats have pulled all the stops to block checking signatures in the audit going on now.

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Re: Here's How You Know Democrats Rigged and Stole the 2020 Election
« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2021, 04:48:29 pm »
I am watching the Maricopa audit closely because it's a "local" story to me.  Dominion is refusing to hand over the Administrative passwords to "their" machines, even though they've been ordered to do so by a Judge.  So, if it's "unbelievable" they are in on the cheat, then what are they hiding from the auditors?

Related:  How can Maricopa County claim to have performed an audit after admitting they never had the passwords?

And why are they (Maricopa County officials) refusing to hand over the modems and routers that may show "their" machines were connected to the internet in violation of Arizona law?

Those routers likely have logs not just indicating if they were connected to the Internet, but to what they were connected to on the Internet and when.
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Re: Here's How You Know Democrats Rigged and Stole the 2020 Election
« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2021, 05:03:55 pm »
I am watching the Maricopa audit closely because it's a "local" story to me.  Dominion is refusing to hand over the Administrative passwords to "their" machines, even though they've been ordered to do so by a Judge.  So, if it's "unbelievable" they are in on the cheat, then what are they hiding from the auditors?

Related:  How can Maricopa County claim to have performed an audit after admitting they never had the passwords?

And why are they (Maricopa County officials) refusing to hand over the modems and routers that may show "their" machines were connected to the internet in violation of Arizona law?

Thanks @Cyber Liberty, I realize the Maricopa County audit is local for you and I will certainly trust your observations and analysis.  When I discount Dominion claims I'm thinking of the Venezuela/raid in Germany fantasies that, so far, have to be rounded up even to achieve a value of 0.

If an audit is still being stalled in Maricopa then yes, that does convince me something is being hidden.  If a court order to surrender a password is being flouted, then it's time for someone to go to jail.  So long as an audit is being stalled then I join you in believing that stall in itself is evidence of corruption.  My point is that when an audit *does* occur, it will have to reveal clearly something that is not yet known, not just that outcomes were improbable or authorities acted in ways they should not have; the audit needs to find clearly what is being hidden or else we conclude that nothing was being hidden.  And I am open to the possibility the audit will demonstrate Dominion collusion with vote manipulation.   
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Re: Here's How You Know Democrats Rigged and Stole the 2020 Election
« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2021, 05:07:21 pm »
No worries @roamer_1.  When I say "evidence" I'm talking about an observation that would lead us as reasoning people to believe something is likely true or at least worthy of further investigation; I'm not talking about a legal standard of evidence.  By definition we have to acknowledge that the evidence has not met a legal standard since so many judges and justices saw fit to slam the courthouse door; but to me that demonstrates not a failure of the evidence but a failure of the legal standard.  It's not that evidence doesn't exist, it's that the evidence has not been considered.


That is somewhat true @HoustonSam , but neither here nor there where the rubber meets the road. The only way any of it means anything is by being proven - Till then it is nothing but hearsay in the actual measure of the term, and largely inadmissible, being little more than gossip. The Dominion shtick is an excellent example.

 I hasten to add that I do not question your powers of reason most particularly, nor anyone else's hereon. What I question is the veracity of what the right leaning press has been spewing, regardless of the source. If the information is suspect, no amount of reason can rectify that.

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With regard specifically to claims about Dominion, personally I don't find those claims believable and consequently I omit them from my examples.  That line of assertion only dragged the entire question of election integrity into disrepute and licensed the media to claim that anyone raising questions was a paranoid kook, as the late Rush Limbaugh observed.  Let this be an example - we don't effectively advocate for a cause by accepting uncritically any assertion raised on behalf of that cause.  In fact we will just as easily harm the cause when we suspend serious thought in favor of tribal cheerleading.  This is my fundamental grievance against many of Trump's supporters.

Personally, the Dominion thing served as proof to me that what I had suspected was indeed true - That the right was being manipulated by the right facing press just as much as the left leaning press influences the left. The same propaganda, the same stench of partisanship. I am offended by press that bandies the truth about like so many eggs at the market, with all the skill of a first-time juggler.

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I am not watching the Maricopa County audit very closely.  If that audit does not come back with credible *additional* evidence of *specific manipulation of votes* - not statistical improbabilities in outcome or questionable actions by authorities but actual evidence that manipulation did in fact take place and evidence of *how* it took place - then this case must be considered closed.  It's not enough continually to assert "they must be hiding something!!" - it's time to find what they are hiding and if we can't find it then it doesn't exist.

Oh I am watching it closely alright. But I wholly agree that without it being an unquestionable result, not only in veracity, but in magnitude, then it merely will add to the detritus - to the mountain of flotsam and jetsam that only proves that the right leaning press is no better than the left, that journalism is gone in all the press, and that truth lies dead in the streets.

I am already paying it (the 'news') little mind at all anymore, except where it may prove yet to hold some small kernel of what it is supposed to be. Thus the proof in Maricopa has worth, whichever direction it lands.

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Re: Here's How You Know Democrats Rigged and Stole the 2020 Election
« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2021, 05:12:40 pm »
Thanks @Cyber Liberty, I realize the Maricopa County audit is local for you and I will certainly trust your observations and analysis.  When I discount Dominion claims I'm thinking of the Venezuela/raid in Germany fantasies that, so far, have to be rounded up even to achieve a value of 0.

If an audit is still being stalled in Maricopa then yes, that does convince me something is being hidden.  If a court order to surrender a password is being flouted, then it's time for someone to go to jail.  So long as an audit is being stalled then I join you in believing that stall in itself is evidence of corruption.  My point is that when an audit *does* occur, it will have to reveal clearly something that is not yet known, not just that outcomes were improbable or authorities acted in ways they should not have; the audit needs to find clearly what is being hidden or else we conclude that nothing was being hidden.  And I am open to the possibility the audit will demonstrate Dominion collusion with vote manipulation.   

What's interesting to me is that I have more access to what's going on in Maricopa County than I did when I lived in Maricopa County for almost 40 years.  I am presently living in Mohave County.
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Re: Here's How You Know Democrats Rigged and Stole the 2020 Election
« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2021, 05:12:47 pm »
I am not against you in this @HoustonSam . But I will object to the term 'evidence'... That which we know not having been vetted, not having been passed through the rigors of any trial or audit.

For instance, the only thing I have seen so far proving the involvement of Dominion seems to be a false narrative involving dark-of-the-night assaults on servers deep in Germany, and a crappy piece of javascript that no coder in his right mind would include in a proper program.

That much has proved out to be nothing more than gossip.

I am ALL FOR auditing the process. I was ALL FOR Tumpy pushing the line and trying to prove and overturn the election.

But the bare fact is that so far, nothing has been validated. Nothing.

Now, I AM watching this Maricopa County audit - And perhaps (just perhaps) it will finally show a smoking gun. And if it does, Hurrah.

But what if it does not?
You can't vet what you refuse to even look at, and that's where the courts have consistently been on the issue. That evidence has been sufficient to get the audit in AZ, and that is the foot in the door for the whole process of proving, with evidence, that this last election was stolen. Until the evidence is examined, it can't be vetted, and in at least one jurisdiction, that is happening now.
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Re: Here's How You Know Democrats Rigged and Stole the 2020 Election
« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2021, 05:15:38 pm »
@roamer_1  It's illogical to say "no evidence vetted by a trial" when no court has given standing to plaintiffs to enter the evidence.


No, it is not. If there s no standing, then the point is moot. It must of a necessity be a high bar, or every election would be challenged endlessly.

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I do believe, however, that if the audit in Maricopa County shows that "Tumpy" won you would agree something was horribly amiss last November.

Oh I would HAPPILY agree. I am already on the record stating as much - But it must needs require real and absolute PROOF, or it is gossip, waggin tongues, and so much sour grapes.

Tough sh*t, there it is.  :shrug: :whistle: