Here's How You Know Democrats Rigged and Stole the 2020 Election

[roamer_1]

Actually... It is a fact that Democratic urban strongholds didn't check signatures/envelope information as required by law. The mail in ballot rejection rate in Democratic stronghold swing states was less than 1% while outside those areas it was about 5% - the historical average. That little dirty deed means about 4% more ballots in rural conservative areas were not counted than ballots in urban liberal areas within the same state. That's a huge swing in a swing state. A few percentage point shift in virtually all of these swing states made a huge difference who won both the presidency and the senate.

That is also why in AZ the Democrats have pulled all the stops to block checking signatures in the audit going on now.

That is so much anecdotal/incidental information. There is incidental jacking of elections every time. You need to prove collusion, and that across states, and that, enough to have overturned the election, or the most you will get from it is various county voting staff heads rolling about.

[roamer_1]

If an audit is still being stalled in Maricopa then yes, that does convince me something is being hidden.   

Shroedinger's cat. The box must be opened.

[Cyber Liberty]

Oh I would HAPPILY agree. I am already on the record stating as much - But it must needs require real and absolute PROOF, or it is gossip, waggin tongues, and so much sour grapes.

Tough sh*t, there it is. 

You're tough but fair.   

[DB]

That is so much anecdotal/incidental information. There is incidental jacking of elections every time. You need to prove collusion, and that across states, and that, enough to have overturned the election, or the most you will get from it is various county voting staff heads rolling about.

The mail in ballot rejection rates were published.

[roamer_1]

You can't vet what you refuse to even look at, and that's where the courts have consistently been on the issue. That evidence has been sufficient to get the audit in AZ, and that is the foot in the door for the whole process of proving, with evidence, that this last election was stolen. Until the evidence is examined, it can't be vetted, and in at least one jurisdiction, that is happening now.

And more power to it, if it is indeed there - I have more doubt than hope anymore. If I were to predict it, I would suppose it will be a month of nail-biting followed by all the air getting let out of it.

[roamer_1]

The mail in ballot rejection rates were published.

Sure. Statistics. They mean nothing without context.

[HoustonSam]

That is so much anecdotal/incidental information. There is incidental jacking of elections every time. You need to prove collusion, and that across states, and that, enough to have overturned the election, or the most you will get from it is various county voting staff heads rolling about.

That's all we can get from it.  No audit, or bunch of audits, is going to eject Biden from office and restore Trump.  What we must do now is clarify that there will be very severe consequences for those who actually conduct the elections if those elections return prima facie unbelievable and non-auditable results.  If that is made clear enough, non-credible results will become far less likely in the future.

[roamer_1]

That's all we can get from it.  No audit, or bunch of audits, is going to eject Biden from office and restore Trump.  What we must do now is clarify that there will be very severe consequences for those who actually conduct the elections if those elections return prima facie unbelievable and non-auditable results.  If that is made clear enough, non-credible results will become far less likely in the future.

I expect that is true at this point - But if it were true that there was collusion across five states, and Dominion in the middle of it all, the consequences would be profound.

Sure and nothing will put Tumpy back in there, but absolute proof that the election was thrown would put the current administration on life support, and Biden and Kamala might even have to step down... With serious repercussions echoing up and down the DNC economy... To include the press.

And if a frog had wings his ass wouldn't bump the ground.

These folks have been rigging sh*t for a coon's age - Catching them out has always been the chore.

[Cyber Liberty]

That's all we can get from it.  No audit, or bunch of audits, is going to eject Biden from office and restore Trump.  What we must do now is clarify that there will be very severe consequences for those who actually conduct the elections if those elections return prima facie unbelievable and non-auditable results.  If that is made clear enough, non-credible results will become far less likely in the future.

I highlighted one of the most truthful comments ever posted on the subject.  There is no remedy in the Constitution for removing a President for cheating to win an election, short of Impeachment, and even that is not a good remedy because it merely installs a Vice President who was also elected by fraud.

This is my chief argument about the "Oh, you just want to undo the election, you poopy-head!" pejorative.  No, I'm interested in protecting the voters, not reversing a crooked election.  Right now the Rats are fine with the cheating because their ends justify their means, and they think that can never be turned against them because they have no intention of losing ever again.  They are that myopic.

@HoustonSam

ETA:  I think the fact that there is no remedy is why the Courts are so shy about hearing the arguments.

[HoustonSam]

There is no remedy in the Constitution for removing a President for cheating to win an election, short of Impeachment, and even that is not a good remedy because it merely installs a Vice President who was also elected by fraud.

ETA:  I think the fact that there is no remedy is why the Courts are so shy about hearing the arguments.

You could be right about the Courts, but IMO they've been plenty willing to make up law from whole cloth in the past and we all can recognize when that has happened.  When they now suspend that willingness, and we all recognize it, they just destroy their own credibility, the credibility of elections, and the credibility of law.

[Smokin Joe]

You could be right about the Courts, but IMO they've been plenty willing to make up law from whole cloth in the past and we all can recognize when that has happened.  When they now suspend that willingness, and we all recognize it, they just destroy their own credibility, the credibility of elections, and the credibility of law.

No law signed by an illegitimate president should have any weight.  What has effectively been removed is the legitimate power of the executive branch, and its legitimacy should this election be proven to have been stolen.

This is truly a Constitutional Crisis, something even the Founders did not foresee.

[Hoodat]

That's right. It's like denying that you're a racist PROVES!!! you're a racist!!!! Yes, great logic there.
Usually making some claim about a stolen election necessitates actually proving it was stolen. But since His Royal Orangeness claims it was stolen, we'll just take his word for it. Because Trump never lies, right? Who needs proof?

No one here is citing Trump's claims as evidence that cheating occurred.  It is disingenuous to bring it up here while completely ignoring the substance of the op-ed.

Maybe you, @goatprairie , can take a shot at answering some of these questions for us instead of reflexively defaulting to 'Orange Man Bad':

• If Democrats didn't rig and steal the election, why are they so afraid of forensic audits in key battleground states, specifically the current audit in Arizona?
  
  
• When Trump was an 8-to-1 landslide favorite with bettors around the world late on election night and clearly headed toward a landslide electoral victory, why did five states suddenly announce they would pause counting for the night? And how come Biden was suddenly ahead by morning?
  
  
• How come Michigan apparently had a dump of 149,772 votes at 6:31 a.m. on Nov. 4, 96% of which went to Biden?
  
  
• How did Wisconsin count 149,520 votes for Biden from 3:26 to 3:44 a.m. on Nov. 4?
  
  
• How come Philadelphia vote counters were so desperate to keep witnesses out of the counting room? Why did they refuse entry to witnesses (to Republicans) until those witnesses had a court order in hand?
  
  
• Why were the windows in a vote-counting location in Detroit covered with cardboard so nobody (no Republican) could see inside?
  
  
• There are videotapes filmed in Detroit of vans pulling up in the middle of the night with what obviously look like boxes of ballots. In Atlanta, there are videotapes that clearly show ballot containers appearing at a vote-counting location after a fake water main break was used to force all GOP witnesses out of the counting room. Why can't we discuss these videotapes?
  
  
• How come Twitter banned me for life over mentioning these videotapes?
  
  
• How come the Arizona Senate's liaison for the vote audit says Maricopa County hasn't complied with the subpoena by turning over passwords to Dominion voting machines?
  
  
• How come the Biden DOJ suddenly wants to stop the Arizona audit?

[Hoodat]

But of course we must accept the word of Dear Leader who claimed, without a shred of proof,  that the election was stolen. Only five more states to go.
Yeah, you're right. I'll just take His Orangeness's word that the election was stolen.

Just re-read the article again.  Still can't find any statement in it attributed to Trump.  Did you even read it?  Or is this a simple matter of contempt prior to investigation?

[Hoodat]

But the bare fact is that so far, nothing has been validated. Nothing.

It absolutely positively has been validated that signatureless absentee ballots were counted in vote totals, that stacks of ballots were fed through machines multiple times, that changes were made to Dominion software without re-certification, that Dominion did have internet access to voting machines while the election was ongoing, that ballots received after state-mandated deadlines were still counted, that election rules were put in place without legislative approval, that five states simultaneously halted their counting process and in the interim of them not 'counting' happened to tabulate enough votes for one candidate to swing the final result in favor of that candidate, and that these same states bitterly oppose any auditing efforts that would validate their claims of a fair election. 

[Cyber Liberty]

Just re-read the article again.  Still can't find any statement in it attributed to Trump.  Did you even read it?  Or is this a simple matter of contempt prior to investigation?

It's contempt for the Bad Orange Man, and also contempt for the people insisting on finding out if the election really was fraudulent.  A reasonable person would say one cannot reject the argument out of hand, examination of what's known is necessary.

[DB]

Sure. Statistics. They mean nothing without context.

The context is history. And there's a lot of it to make the statistics of less than a 1% mail in ballot rejection rate while truthfully following the law nearly impossible. Repeat that over multiple swing states only within the heavily democratic urban areas and you have something that is not possible in the real world.

And the bottom line is if no one is, or can be, held accountable for this type of cheating then it will only expand. And that cheats everyone else who follows the law which in time renders the law meaningless. After that the mob rules and we've gone full banana republic.

[Hoodat]

A reasonable person would say one cannot reject the argument out of hand, examination of what's known is necessary.

A reasonable person.  Ayn Rand once said that there is no such thing as a contradiction.  If you ever encounter one, recheck your premises.  You will find that one of them is wrong.

[DB]

It's contempt for the Bad Orange Man, and also contempt for the people insisting on finding out if the election really was fraudulent.  A reasonable person would say one cannot reject the argument out of hand, examination of what's known is necessary.

Politics via who's ox is gored... No place for truth. The ends justify the means... These things lead to the darkest of times.

[Cyber Liberty]

Politics via who's ox is gored... No place for truth. The ends justify the means... These things lead to the darkest of times.

Very true, and that has been the name of the game in Politics since I first started watching over a half-century ago.   

Lies are the coin of the pols' realm.

[Cyber Liberty]

A reasonable person.  Ayn Rand once said that there is no such thing as a contradiction.  If you ever encounter one, recheck your premises.  You will find that one of them is wrong.

Sometimes one cannot tell which (if either) assertion is true, which is where I end up saying, "Damifino." 

I say that a lot.

[Victoria33]

 

[DB]

Hi @Victoria33. I believe you have a lot of experience with elections (if I remember correctly). Isn't it unheard of to have a less than 1% mail in ballot rejection rate, especially involving first time voters? And that virtually all the swing state heavy urban areas had extremely low rejection rates while those outside those areas had typical rejection rates of around 5%?

[skeeter]

Politics via who's ox is gored... No place for truth. The ends justify the means... These things lead to the darkest of times.

ain’t that the truth. I tell my kids the same thing.

But they’ll have to see for themselves, ‘cause they certainly didn’t learn it in school.

[Hoodat]

Isn't it unheard of to have a less than 1% mail in ballot rejection rate, especially involving first time voters?

Correctamundo.

[240B]

Yes, let's investigate the results of the last election. And every election for the last two hundred years. Maybe we can get a lot of elections overturned.
I'm for the little green men from Mars theory. I think they fixed it for Biden. Prove me wrong.

To the Democrats/Liberals/NeverTrumps/Communists no amount of factual logical evidence will ever convince them that the election was a farce.
They are beyond reason and beyond rational thought.
All you have to say to them is, "Orange man bad" and they will shit themselves with delight.
They do not care if the election was stolen or not. To them it does not matter.
These guys would execute Trump and his entire family if they could, that is the depth of their fanaticism.
There is no way to 'reason' with people like this because they are fundamentally irrational to begin with.
They don't want to hear 'facts' or 'reality'. Their minds are made up and nothing, absolutely nothing, will ever change their obsession.
I am right! you are wrong! and that is that! To a Liberal, even to dare question them about anything only proves that you are insane.
They are beyond question. Liberals are divinely intelligent and much better than you.