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roamer_1:
--- Quote from: Sled Dog on May 20, 2021, 05:59:05 pm ---I was almost mugged by some Knee Grows in my high school. What stopped the three of them was a simple razor blade box cutter in my pallid white hand. I would have gotten in serious trouble if I'd been caught with a (gasp!) weapon on my body. I would have gotten in serious injury if I hadn't had it. An easy decision to make. No blood was spilled, especially not mine, and that's as far as it went.
The lower animals naturally respect superior firepower.
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Everybody respects firepower. That's why everybody up in here is fairly polite.
roamer_1:
--- Quote from: Smokin Joe on May 20, 2021, 06:09:35 pm ---I hear you on the defending himself bit. A grandson got punched in the face while on crutches. All he did was pin his attacker to the wall (one handed, by their throat) until staff intervened. (This is a kid I KNOW could have painted the walls with the one who punched him). He got suspended from school for a week, same as the one who attacked him. (Miss 9 days here and the year is a do-over).
Here's the rub, though, the school had video of the incident. No question who attacked who, and who was in the wrong.
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Ain't no damn body gonna tell my kid not to defend himself. That ain't right.
Both times they got suspended immediately, and expulsion was on the table... some 'no tolerance' bullsh*t... Both times I had to go in there mad as hell and drag the principal over his desk and poke my finger in his chest... the first time that was enough (the defense of self). the nother one I had to rack up my lawyer (the defense of others thing). That one cost me eight hundred bucks, which is what the lawyer costs pretty much just to show up...
And in both cases the thing was over quick. the first one the suspension was lifted the next day. the second three days later. After they figgered out that I was not only damn mean to deal with when I am pissed, but also willing and able to chase em down the legal route - with a heave duty legal house bought and paid for, I never had any more trouble.
roamer_1:
--- Quote from: verga on May 20, 2021, 06:37:36 pm ---The vast majority of my kids are great and after one conversation with the parents you can tell why a kid is the way they are (Good or bad). And you are correct expulsion for defending yourself or someone else is not right. In this day and age when so many schools have cameras there should be no question. About 10-12 years ago one of my students stopped another kid from literally getting stomped. He went up behind the aggressor and just wrapped his arms around the kid and picked him up and held him until teachers arrived on the scene. County policy said he should get 10 days and disciplinary review. His father asked the Principal how he planned to defend that in court when the jury see the tape. No punishment.
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It don't make no sense to me. The only way you get rid of a bully is for someone to stand up to him. My kind do that by nature. One sort is bad for community, the other of high value. Standing up for self, and especially standing up for others should not only be encouraged, but lauded and praised.
That is one of the biggest indicators to me that the school system is messed up.
Smokin Joe:
--- Quote from: roamer_1 on May 20, 2021, 08:56:04 pm ---It don't make no sense to me. The only way you get rid of a bully is for someone to stand up to him. My kind do that by nature. One sort is bad for community, the other of high value. Standing up for self, and especially standing up for others should not only be encouraged, but lauded and praised.
That is one of the biggest indicators to me that the school system is messed up.
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Yep, even the times early on when I lost the fight, I at least had respect for standing up and not quitting. It is the only way to defeat the bullies, whether they are other students, some kid from the neighborhood, or some pencil neck in a suit masquerading as an administrator.
roamer_1:
--- Quote from: Smokin Joe on May 20, 2021, 08:58:10 pm ---Yep, even the times early on when I lost the fight, I at least had respect for standing up and not quitting. It is the only way to defeat the bullies, whether they are other students, some kid from the neighborhood, or some pencil neck in a suit masquerading as an administrator.
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Yep. It you're right, don't back up, and don't back down. All in, right now.
That's how I was raised, and how I raised my own. and that's exactly the kind the bully will find hard to run over. Note that the administration thinks they can step in on that. They cannot. the effect of that breaks the deal. Some kid with the balls to do it has to beat that bully down. That is how the micro-community artificially represented in the school, learns governance, not by way of the teachers.
It is a serious point of order. Necessary.
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