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Re: Abortion-Free vaccines??
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2021, 04:05:51 pm »
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« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2021, 04:20:47 pm »
No fetal cells are used in the production of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines.
If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"? Is reality a Big Pharma Shill?

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Re: Abortion-Free vaccines??
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2021, 04:29:03 pm »
“Neither the Pfizer nor Moderna vaccines used fetal cell lines during the development or production phases, so there are no fetal cells in the vaccine,” Banerji said.

“However, both of these companies used the fetal cell line HEK-293 in the confirmation phase to ensure the vaccines work,” she said.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/no-fetal-tissue-wasnt-used-to-create-the-jj-covid-19-vaccine#How-are-they-involved-in-the-production-of-COVID-19-vaccines?
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Re: Abortion-Free vaccines??
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2021, 04:41:53 pm »
Dr Brand's last two graphs give the bigger picture:

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The use of aborted fetal cell lines in vaccine research and production carries the serious moral concerns of abortion, trafficking of these babies, and denial of a proper burial, as well as serious health concerns.

As long as we as a society keep rolling up our sleeves for vaccines and other pharmaceuticals that use aborted fetal cells in their research, development or production, the situation is not going to get better, as there is no motivation for these companies to change their ways.
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Re: Abortion-Free vaccines??
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2021, 04:57:57 pm »
Does this provide an advantage then for mRNA based vaccines that do not use the fetal cell lines to develop or produce, unlike traditional vaccines?
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Re: Abortion-Free vaccines??
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2021, 05:14:39 pm »
“Neither the Pfizer nor Moderna vaccines used fetal cell lines during the development or production phases, so there are no fetal cells in the vaccine,” Banerji said.

“However, both of these companies used the fetal cell line HEK-293 in the confirmation phase to ensure the vaccines work,” she said.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/no-fetal-tissue-wasnt-used-to-create-the-jj-covid-19-vaccine#How-are-they-involved-in-the-production-of-COVID-19-vaccines?

Interesting, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HEK_293_cells . The assumption is that the original fetal cells from which the line was developed in 1973 were from an abortion. But the origin is less clear, may have been from an abortion or from a miscarriage. That this cell line is still in ubiquitous use some 50 years after the original abortion or miscarriage means that pharmaceutical and medical research using the cell line creates no additional demand, even indirectly, for abortion.
If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"? Is reality a Big Pharma Shill?

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Re: Abortion-Free vaccines??
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2021, 05:16:07 pm »
Does this provide an advantage then for mRNA based vaccines that do not use the fetal cell lines to develop or produce, unlike traditional vaccines?

Probably.  Yet this CDC explanation of mRNA repels me:

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MRNA vaccines teach our cells how to make a protein—or even just a piece of a protein—that triggers an immune response inside our bodies.

Dr Frankenstein also "taught" his monster - how did that work out?

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Re: Abortion-Free vaccines??
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2021, 05:38:40 pm »
Probably.  Yet this CDC explanation of mRNA repels me:

Dr Frankenstein also "taught" his monster - how did that work out?

I greatly preferred my body to make the proteins to learn to take it out instead of waiting to receive it "naturally" with a virus attached.

Not hardly the same thing as reanimating the dead.
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Re: Abortion-Free vaccines??
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2021, 06:07:15 pm »
Different strokes for different folks.  You follow the Fame & Fortune controlled Science, I do not.
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Re: Abortion-Free vaccines??
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2021, 06:30:58 pm »
Probably.  Yet this CDC explanation of mRNA repels me:

Dr Frankenstein also "taught" his monster - how did that work out?

All mRNA - whether from a vaccine or from within the cell - "teaches" the cell, specifically the ribosome, to produce a protein. It's a natural process.

You're literalizing an imprecise metaphor.

Contrary to the popular conspiracy theory, mRNA vaccines do not reprogram, or in any way affect, cells' DNA. The ribosome, where mRNA is used, does not have DNA.
If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"? Is reality a Big Pharma Shill?

Millions now living should have died. Anti-Covid-Vaxxer ghouls hardest hit.

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Re: Abortion-Free vaccines??
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2021, 07:34:06 pm »
All mRNA - whether from a vaccine or from within the cell - "teaches" the cell, specifically the ribosome, to produce a protein. It's a natural process.


Sure - that is why it has to be injected into the body - thanks to Science; Nature's little helper.
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Re: Abortion-Free vaccines??
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2021, 12:04:38 am »
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