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Re: Just how scary is the COVID outbreak in India right now?
« Reply #75 on: May 01, 2021, 04:41:46 PM »
They created the virus (with financial assistance from Anthony Fauci and the unwitting U.S. taxpayer). Of course they knew it was something new.

IF the SARS-CoV-2 virus was created in the Wuhan Virology Institute, the doctors I referred to were the ones treating patients in hospitals, not working at the Institute. So, no, they did not know from the outset "it was something new". Wuhan isn't the most familiar (to Americans) of Chinese cities, but if it were in the US it would be the largest US city, by a margin of 2 or 3 million people. Hospital doctors would be too busy to moonlight at the Institute.
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Re: Just how scary is the COVID outbreak in India right now?
« Reply #76 on: May 01, 2021, 07:47:28 PM »
GOD Bless America, have mercy upon this country and stop the evil that has a stranglehold on our Republic from prevailing.

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Re: Just how scary is the COVID outbreak in India right now?
« Reply #77 on: May 01, 2021, 09:41:10 PM »
Indian scientists flag virus mutations that could ‘evade immune response’

https://www.reuters.com/world/india/indian-scientists-flag-virus-mutations-that-could-evade-immune-response-2021-05-01/

Here's what is says further below Reuters' fear-porn headline:

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"We are seeing some mutation coming up in some samples that could possibly evade immune responses," said Shahid Jameel, chair of the scientific advisory group of INSACOG and a top Indian virologist. He did not say if the mutations have been seen in the Indian variant or any other strain.

"Unless you culture those viruses and test them in the lab, you can't say for sure. At this point, there is no reason to believe that they are expanding or if they can be dangerous, but we flagged it so that we keep our eye on the ball," he said.

No reason to believe.  None.  Zip.  Nada.
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Re: Just how scary is the COVID outbreak in India right now?
« Reply #78 on: May 01, 2021, 10:29:48 PM »
Have an associate who's in India right now.  Speak to him on What'sApp everyday.

I asked him about the situation and said I'd hoped he and his beautiful family (a wife and two daughters) we safe.

He laughed and told me not to worry, he lived in a Gated Community. (He used to be an executive with Bank of America)

He said their overall medical system crashed and was quickly overwhelmed. 

I didn't have the heart to tell him my theory... tinfoil it may be.

...that India simply has too many humans occupying too small square footage of land.  Over 1.3 BILLION PEOPLE! 

Millions of them bath and void themselves in the Ganges.   :shrug:

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Re: Just how scary is the COVID outbreak in India right now?
« Reply #79 on: May 01, 2021, 11:55:53 PM »
No, it hasn't. Ignoring the political organizational doings and actions such as travel shutdowns:


I was going to complete the month of March, but this post is long enough already. I picked non-vaccine-related items from https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,395099.msg2169385.html#msg2169385 , https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,412484.0.html , and https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,412485.0.html . I also could have found relevant non-vaccine-related items from my threads about ventilators, PPE, and uses of the DPA. Just because the MSM gave it little or no coverage does not mean it didn't happen.
Very well, point made.
There were treatment options bandied about, so long as Donald Trump did not mention them.
Monoclonal antibodies and Remdesivir were two I distinctly recall being pushed, then ...crickets....

I notice you left out the Zelenko protocol being announced, explained, and then rapidly censored (I admit to being unsure of those dates) and the jihad against hydroxychloroquine, UV treatment, and others, but that's okay.

The media were hell-bent on discrediting treatments that were not hideously expensive and largely of questionable efficacy, as was the medical establishment in the spotlight--if it was inexpensive, available, and would stop the panic, it got short shrift or attacked.
The focus seemed on inciting and maintaining levels of panic in the general public that Richard Adams described in Watership Down as going "tharn".

(This was essential in the grand scheme of things to push for voting by remote means, usually mail or drop boxes, which enabled the Steal of 2020. Whether by accident or design, this was panic was maintained and fully exploited. It was also important to impose the draconian measures which devastated the "Trump" economy, and that, too, was done--and still is.)

Eventually, the vaccine was seen as the only panacea, and any discussion of preemptive treatments (early onset, which were not hideously expensive) pretty much fell by the wayside, unles you were paying attention to the Aussies using Ivermectin (another antiparasitic, and an ionophore) with doxycycline and zinc.

The problem here is that people were told to get tested (day 4 or 5 of the disease, symptoms appear), and to wait (isolate) for results. The more delayed the results, the more severe the disease by the time they were confirmed, the worse off the patient was.

Instead, Zelenko advocated the administration of the three part protocol of Hydroxychloroquine (primarily and ionophore to get zinc into the Type 1 Pneumocytes the disease targets) an antibiotic (azithromycin, a macrolide antibiotic which not only protects against bacterial infection, but has the idiopathic effect of toning down the immune response to prevent a cytokine event) and zinc, the ion that interferes with viral replication in the cells. In the event the patient tested negative, no harm was likely, and some resistance was provided--the protocol has a prophylactic effect as well--and in the event they were positive, recovery (without needing hospitalization) was accelerated. Very few patients who followed this protocol were hospitalized.

You'd think the medical establishment would have been ecstatic (and some were, but were as quickly censored as Zelenko's YouTube, which laid out the pharmacological strategy, described in near layman's terms how it worked, what each part of the protocol did, and gave dosages he had used in practice. Nope. He got 'cancelled', using poorly conducted studies as "evidence" to justify that cancellation. Now, he has been nominated (not awarded as previously reported) for a Nobel.
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Re: Just how scary is the COVID outbreak in India right now?
« Reply #80 on: May 02, 2021, 11:51:27 AM »
Have an associate who's in India right now.  Speak to him on What'sApp everyday.

I asked him about the situation and said I'd hoped he and his beautiful family (a wife and two daughters) we safe.

He laughed and told me not to worry, he lived in a Gated Community. (He used to be an executive with Bank of America)

He said their overall medical system crashed and was quickly overwhelmed. 

I didn't have the heart to tell him my theory... tinfoil it may be.

...that India simply has too many humans occupying too small square footage of land.  Over 1.3 BILLION PEOPLE! 

Millions of them bath and void themselves in the Ganges.   :shrug:
I've read where only about 40% of Indians have access to a flush toilet. When the population is over a billion, that leaves a heck of a lot people taking a dump in the bushes.
It seems many Indians believe doing your business inside your house is unsanitary.
Oh well. The wife and I do not plan on visiting India any time in the near or distant future.

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Re: Just how scary is the COVID outbreak in India right now?
« Reply #81 on: May 02, 2021, 01:28:08 PM »
A family member spent some time a few years ago in Varanasi. DCP was not exaggerating when speaking of the Ganges.

The wealth gap US pols complain of is dwarfed by the gap in India. The movie is fiction, but the conditions shown in "Slumdog Millionaire" are fairly realistic.
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Re: Just how scary is the COVID outbreak in India right now?
« Reply #82 on: May 02, 2021, 01:36:12 PM »
Very well, point made.
There were treatment options bandied about, so long as Donald Trump did not mention them.
Monoclonal antibodies and Remdesivir were two I distinctly recall being pushed, then ...crickets....

I notice you left out the Zelenko protocol being announced, explained, and then rapidly censored (I admit to being unsure of those dates) and the jihad against hydroxychloroquine, UV treatment, and others, but that's okay.

The media were hell-bent on discrediting treatments that were not hideously expensive and largely of questionable efficacy, as was the medical establishment in the spotlight--if it was inexpensive, available, and would stop the panic, it got short shrift or attacked.
The focus seemed on inciting and maintaining levels of panic in the general public that Richard Adams described in Watership Down as going "tharn".

(This was essential in the grand scheme of things to push for voting by remote means, usually mail or drop boxes, which enabled the Steal of 2020. Whether by accident or design, this was panic was maintained and fully exploited. It was also important to impose the draconian measures which devastated the "Trump" economy, and that, too, was done--and still is.)

Eventually, the vaccine was seen as the only panacea, and any discussion of preemptive treatments (early onset, which were not hideously expensive) pretty much fell by the wayside, unles you were paying attention to the Aussies using Ivermectin (another antiparasitic, and an ionophore) with doxycycline and zinc.

The problem here is that people were told to get tested (day 4 or 5 of the disease, symptoms appear), and to wait (isolate) for results. The more delayed the results, the more severe the disease by the time they were confirmed, the worse off the patient was.

Instead, Zelenko advocated the administration of the three part protocol of Hydroxychloroquine (primarily and ionophore to get zinc into the Type 1 Pneumocytes the disease targets) an antibiotic (azithromycin, a macrolide antibiotic which not only protects against bacterial infection, but has the idiopathic effect of toning down the immune response to prevent a cytokine event) and zinc, the ion that interferes with viral replication in the cells. In the event the patient tested negative, no harm was likely, and some resistance was provided--the protocol has a prophylactic effect as well--and in the event they were positive, recovery (without needing hospitalization) was accelerated. Very few patients who followed this protocol were hospitalized.

You'd think the medical establishment would have been ecstatic (and some were, but were as quickly censored as Zelenko's YouTube, which laid out the pharmacological strategy, described in near layman's terms how it worked, what each part of the protocol did, and gave dosages he had used in practice. Nope. He got 'cancelled', using poorly conducted studies as "evidence" to justify that cancellation. Now, he has been nominated (not awarded as previously reported) for a Nobel.

So the Nobel prize report was BS... That's too bad.

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Re: Just how scary is the COVID outbreak in India right now?
« Reply #83 on: May 04, 2021, 12:31:46 AM »
So the Nobel prize report was BS... That's too bad.
Nomination, not an award.
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