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'Stubborn Things,' and the Chauvin Trial
« on: April 19, 2021, 01:13:11 pm »
April 19, 2021
'Stubborn Things,' and the Chauvin Trial
By William Sullivan

Consider two contrasting quotes on how reason and passion relate to truth in a society.

The first is (or once was, anyway) quite famous amongst Americans, spoken by Founder John Adams during his defense of the British soldiers accused of murder in the Boston Massacre of 1770:

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Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.

The second is from a figure of whom few alive could claim ignorance.  As Jonah Goldberg relates in his book, Liberal Fascism:

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[Adolf] Hitler mocked those who believed that arguments and reason should trump the naked power of the people. When four renowned economists sent Hitler a letter disputing his socialist schemes, Hitler responded, “Where are your storm troopers?  Go on the street, go into folk meetings, and try to see your standpoint through. Then we’ll see who’s right -- we or you.”

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Re: 'Stubborn Things,' and the Chauvin Trial
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2021, 08:18:39 pm »
The country is transitioning into a mobocracy where the loudest, most violent voices are getting their way. If this does not cease, many bad things will happen.
 Many bad things are happening now, but more violent repercussions from one side currently getting the fecal end of the stick will occur if things do not change. We can not allow the most ignorant, the most violent demographic segment of the population to determine public policy.

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« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2021, 08:27:47 pm »
The country is transitioning into a mobocracy where the loudest, most violent voices are getting their way. If this does not cease, many bad things will happen.
 Many bad things are happening now, but more violent repercussions from one side currently getting the fecal end of the stick will occur if things do not change. We can not allow the most ignorant, the most violent demographic segment of the population to determine public policy.
why not. They already are setting our cultural standards.

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Re: 'Stubborn Things,' and the Chauvin Trial
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2021, 08:37:08 pm »
Sounds just like what MAD Maxine Waters  has said.  "go into the streets'.  ANTIFA/BLM= storm troopers. Just shows us how insane most people...ARE.
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[Adolf] Hitler mocked those who believed that arguments and reason should trump the naked power of the people. When four renowned economists sent Hitler a letter disputing his socialist schemes, Hitler responded, “Where are your storm troopers?  Go on the street, go into folk meetings, and try to see your standpoint through. Then we’ll see who’s right -- we or you.”

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Re: 'Stubborn Things,' and the Chauvin Trial
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2021, 08:44:55 pm »


Additionally, the toxicology report on Floyd emerged.  We learned that, in addition to severe heart disease, Floyd had massive amounts of fentanyl and methamphetamines in his body, as well as pot.  (Regarding that heart disease, to the extent Floyd claimed recently to have had the Wuhan virus, that too could have affected his heart.)

The final piece of evidence in George Floyd's death was full footage from one of the arresting officers' body cameras.  It shows Floyd resisting the police, complaining from the beginning about an inability to breathe (so that the police called an ambulance), and foaming at the mouth.

Former federal and state prosecutor George Parry looked at all the evidence about Floyd's arrest and wrote a must-read article explaining that, whatever else the police did that fateful night, they didn't kill George Floyd.  George Floyd killed himself with an accidental overdose, (NOPE; he swallowed fentanyl to hide it from cops=L.A.)  something no doubt made worse because of his chronic heart disease:

[T]he evidence proves that, when he first encountered the police, George Floyd was well on his way to dying from a self-administered drug overdose. Moreover, far from publicly, brazenly, and against their own self-interest slowly and sadistically killing Floyd in broad daylight before civilian witnesses with video cameras, the evidence proves that the defendants exhibited concern for Floyd's condition and twice called for emergency medical services to render aid to him. Strange behavior, indeed, for supposedly brutal law officers allegedly intent on causing him harm.

Similarly, the evidence recorded by the body cameras worn by the police conclusively establishes that Floyd repeatedly complained that he couldn't breathe before the police restrained him on the ground.

As documented by Floyd's autopsy and toxicology reports, his breathing difficulty was caused not by a knee on his neck or pressure on his back, but by the fact that he had in his bloodstream over three times the potentially lethal limit of fentanyl, a powerful and dangerous pain medication known to shut down the respiratory system and cause coma and death.

 He also had in his system a lesser dose of methamphetamine, which can cause paranoia, respiratory distress, coma, and death. ( And pot and alcohol=L.A.)


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« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2021, 09:31:39 pm »
It wouldn't have mattered if the cops had placed Floyd in a plush recliner and given him drinks while they interrogated him.
He died in their custody, and they are automatically guilty of murder.
This is the way the great majority of black Americans see these things. No amount of coddling of Floyd with the end result being his death would have mollified the mob.
All they see is that a black man died in police custody, and nothing Floyd did before counts. Not his violent crimes, not his bad heart, not his intake of dangerous drugs, and not his hysterical behavior when arrested.

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« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2021, 11:59:18 pm »
It wouldn't have mattered if the cops had placed Floyd in a plush recliner and given him drinks while they interrogated him.
He died in their custody, and they are automatically guilty of murder.
This is the way the great majority of black Americans see these things. No amount of coddling of Floyd with the end result being his death would have mollified the mob.
All they see is that a black man died in police custody, and nothing Floyd did before counts. Not his violent crimes, not his bad heart, not his intake of dangerous drugs, and not his hysterical behavior when arrested.

TRUE.  DUI in the streets.  Found guilty on all counts.  I see appeal coming up. 

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Re: 'Stubborn Things,' and the Chauvin Trial
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2021, 12:15:18 am »
April 19, 2021
'Stubborn Things,' and the Chauvin Trial
By William Sullivan

Consider two contrasting quotes on how reason and passion relate to truth in a society.

The first is (or once was, anyway) quite famous amongst Americans, spoken by Founder John Adams during his defense of the British soldiers accused of murder in the Boston Massacre of 1770:

The second is from a figure of whom few alive could claim ignorance.  As Jonah Goldberg relates in his book, Liberal Fascism:

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"So, the question is -- can the facts be “stubborn things” in America when witnesses who support Chauvin’s defense have pigs’ heads and blood slathered on their former homes as a threat, or when legions of anti-American BLM and Antifa storm troopers stand ready to attack innocent Americans and burn down the jurors’ city, and countless other American cities, if the mob doesn’t get the lynching it desires?  More importantly, if we no longer live in a country where facts can be “stubborn things,” and where the passions of a violent mob have supplanted facts and evidence, in what kind of country do we now live?"

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Re: 'Stubborn Things,' and the Chauvin Trial
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2021, 01:55:14 pm »
"So, the question is -- can the facts be “stubborn things” in America when witnesses who support Chauvin’s defense have pigs’ heads and blood slathered on their former homes as a threat, or when legions of anti-American BLM and Antifa storm troopers stand ready to attack innocent Americans and burn down the jurors’ city, and countless other American cities, if the mob doesn’t get the lynching it desires?  More importantly, if we no longer live in a country where facts can be “stubborn things,” and where the passions of a violent mob have supplanted facts and evidence, in what kind of country do we now live?"

We have the Law of the Jungle.  Lord of the Flies writ large.
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« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2021, 02:14:41 pm »
We have the Law of the Jungle.  Lord of the Flies writ large.
Given the black predilection to commit serious crimes, flout authority, and resist lawful arrest there will be many more George Floyd incidents in the near future. Will the mob determine those outcomes as well?
In the Daunte Wright case it's open and shut...the cop definitely shot and killed Wright. By  mistake, but will that matter?
But again Wright's action leading up to the shooting led to his demise. Will this be taken into account? Given what happened to Chauvin, that's questionable.
The missteps by a few cops towards black perps is minuscule compared to the damage blacks do themselves. But that fact makes no difference to the mob.
It's getting to the point that it will not be allowed to arrest or punish black thugs.

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Re: 'Stubborn Things,' and the Chauvin Trial
« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2021, 02:36:34 pm »
Given the black predilection to commit serious crimes, flout authority, and resist lawful arrest there will be many more George Floyd incidents in the near future. Will the mob determine those outcomes as well?
In the Daunte Wright case it's open and shut...the cop definitely shot and killed Wright. By  mistake, but will that matter?
But again Wright's action leading up to the shooting led to his demise. Will this be taken into account? Given what happened to Chauvin, that's questionable.
The missteps by a few cops towards black perps is minuscule compared to the damage blacks do themselves. But that fact makes no difference to the mob.
It's getting to the point that it will not be allowed to arrest or punish black thugs.

When that happens, the thugs will start being gunned down in the streets by armed would-be victims.
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« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2021, 03:56:01 pm »
When that happens, the thugs will start being gunned down in the streets by armed would-be victims.
I am surprised that we have not seen more of that. Of course, many cities/states make it tough for average citizens to carry. 

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« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2021, 10:32:22 pm »
A poster wrote:
"It's getting to the point that it will not be allowed to arrest or punish black thugs."

Please take 20 seconds to read this post I put up a while ago:
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,407004.msg2241037.html#msg2241037