Romney wins JFK 'profile in courage' award for impeachment vote

[PeteS in CA]

Wasn't the false claim about Trump's call to GA's SecState a foundation - if not the cornerstone - of the shampeachment article(s)? So voting for a lie is an act of courage?

  Shampeachment 2.0 was also unconstitutional, yet Romney voted to remove Trump from an office he no longer held.

[Wingnut]

Surely a Time person of the year winner to frost his courage.

[PeteS in CA]

Dunno, I always wondered how a skipper could possibly allow his 50 knot 25 ton speedboat to be accidentally  run down by a 38 knot 2000 ton destroyer.

"It was a dark and stormy night," literally. The patrol area assigned to PT109 (and probably others in her squadron on various nights) was very risky. It was in relatively narrow waters athwart the route used by the Tokyo Express, who, because they had to get in and get out in the dark were running at full speed. PT109 was running at very slow speed so as not to leave a visible wake. This also hampered their ability to avoid being hit. IIRC, the IJN destroyer (Amagiri) crew didn't even know they had hit something. Just like the "perfect" hits on HMS Hood and USS Arizona, it was "perfect" positioning and PT109's crew didn't see the destroyer until too late to avoid.

[sneakypete]

Well,since JFK was a punk and a coward,it seems fitting.

[sneakypete]

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@PeteS in CA

JFK was a Dim.

[sneakypete]

The "right thing" for Romney to do is "retire". 

Now.

The wrong thing to do was to vote to convict a sitting president for a completely fictitious impeachment charge that everyone knew going in was false.   

The wrong thing to do was to move from Taxechusetts to Utah to take a Senate that should have been filled by someone with roots in Utah.

I want to see him run for the GOP presidential nomination in 2024.  I really do.  I'd bet that he'd get fewer votes than "Please Clap" Bush!.

Romney has YUGE roots in Utah. His family is Mormon Church Royalty.

[Wingnut]

Well,since JFK was a punk and a coward,it seems fitting.

He could lay some track.  He had skills.   

[libertybele]

Romney has YUGE roots in Utah. His family is Mormon Church Royalty.

He'll most likely keep his seat; the DEMS need him around for their smoke and mirrors illusion of us still having a two-party system.

[bigheadfred]

IMO, JFK was more Conservative than conservatives now.

[sneakypete]

Saint JFK was a pariah in the early '60's, and if he had lived, might have not won the 1964 election. His untimely assassination, made almost everyone forget Bay of Pigs, RFK nepotism, and some other bad policy directions. Truth was he was a philander that made WJC look like a piker.   So much so, he was probably one of the worst POTUS security risks in history. 

I might take some heat, but equating JFK to courage (exception WWII) always seemed like a joke to me.

@catfish1957

Nope. No exception there.

His father arranged for him to get a commission as a Naval Officer in WW-2 that would be assigned to Embassy "duty". His job was to provide a handsome young escort to ladies attending embassy parties that didn't have a husband or a suitable date. That way it kept him from getting drafted and having to fight.

He screwed that up by refusing to stop dating a Swedish or Norwegian woman reporter who was suspected of spying for the Nazi's. This made Hoover and Roosevelt mad enough even his father couldn't save him,so he was fired from escort duty and sent to the regular Navy,where the only thing he was qualified to do was drive a small power boat or a sailing craft.

So he got command of a PT boat.

The night his "heroics" occurred his mission was to patrol a straight and attack and sink any Japanese vessel traveling through it. What he did instead was throw out a sea anchor and go to sleep without even posting anyone on watch.

It just so happened that the PT boat drifted into the very channel he was supposed to be patrolling,and was ran over by a Japanese destroyer traveling through the strait. PT boats were made from plywood,so no huge notice was taken of it by the Japanese watch,other than a notation in the ships log that "We seem to have rammed an unknown object while traversing the strait,with no damage to the ship."

It has been said that Old Man Joe wanted him to receive the Medal of Honor for this event,and the Navy wanted to court-martial him for dereliction of duty.

A compromise was made where he received a life saving medal for keeping one of his injured sailors from drowning,and no court martial.

The whole positive "PT-109" thing was Dim spin.

[sneakypete]

Dunno, I always wondered how a skipper could possibly allow his 50 knot 25 ton speedboat to be accidentally  run down by a 38 knot 2000 ton destroyer.

@skeeter

He didn't patrol the strait. What he and his crew did was go near the strait,set out a sea anchor,and go to sleep. ALL of them. Nobody on watch.

And the tide caused the PT boat to drift into the channel they were supposed to be patrolling,and ran over the PT boat,no doubt causing them all to wake up when the water hit them.

[skeeter]

The night his "heroics" occurred his mission was to patrol a straight and attack and sink any Japanese vessel traveling through it. What he did instead was throw out a sea anchor and go to sleep without even posting anyone on watch.

It just so happened that the PT boat drifted into the very channel he was supposed to be patrolling,and was ran over by a Japanese destroyer traveling through the strait. PT boats were made from plywood,so no huge notice was taken of it by the Japanese watch,other than a notation in the ships log that "We seem to have rammed an unknown object while traversing the strait,with no damage to the ship."

It has been said that Old Man Joe wanted him to receive the Medal of Honor for this event,and the Navy wanted to court-martial him for dereliction of duty.

A compromise was made where he received a life saving medal for keeping one of his injured sailors from drowning,and no court martial.

The whole positive "PT-109" thing was Dim spin.

Think of it as going out on the prairie to hunt Buffalo but getting run over by one instead.

[sneakypete]

Think of it as going out on the prairie to hunt Buffalo but getting run over by one instead.

@skeeter

Pretty much.

Who knows how much money old man Joe had to spend to keep his crew and the family of the one or two that died (I forget ) quiet due to his dereliction of duty.

[bigheadfred]

Nobody will ever let you know
When you ask the reasons why
They just tell you that you're on your own
Fill your head all full of lies
You bastards

[dfwgator]

IMO, JFK was more Conservative than conservatives now.

JFK would have been no different than his brother, the Swimmer.

[Wingnut]

JFK would have been no different than his brother, the Swimmer.

Funny how everyone of them Kennedys had a "calling" for the water.

[bigheadfred]

JFK would have been no different than his brother, the Swimmer.

Yeah. He was. IMO

[Axeslinger]

JFK would have been no different than his brother, the Swimmer.

Well...we don’t know how he “would have been” because he got his brains splattered all over a limo and a pink dress.
However he WAS THEN more conservative than some conservatives ARE NOW.

What we DO KNOW is that Romney is a gutless piece of dog shit.

[libertybele]

Well...we don’t know how he “would have been” because he got his brains splattered all over a limo and a pink dress.
However he WAS THEN more conservative than some conservatives ARE NOW.

What we DO KNOW is that Romney is a gutless piece of dog shit.

Wow. That's pretty descriptive.

I was in 2nd grade when JFK was assassinated, so I can't speak for his conservatism and I truly haven't taken the time to look up his record.

As for Romney, yes, he hasn't done conservatism , the GOP nor this country any favors. 

[sneakypete]

Well...we don’t know how he “would have been” because he got his brains splattered all over a limo and a pink dress.
However he WAS THEN more conservative than some conservatives ARE NOW.

 

@Axeslinger

He was,like Teddy,a borderline idiot following the directions of his master/father.

AMERICA was a more conservative place back then,so the pols back then pretended to be more conservative than those of today because they wanted to get re-elected.

BTW,Old Man Joe Kennedy was the US Ambassador to the Court of St.James when America got involved in the war,and King Franklin had to fire him after the British discovered proof that he was passing on US war plans to the Nazi's via connections to the IRA.

The plan was to have Joe Jr get a MoH in the war for bombing the heavy water plants where the Nazi's were working to build their own A-Bomb. VERY dangerous place to try to fly a bomber into because the valley was very narrow and the Nazi AA guns on the dam were very accurate.

So the Army Air Force came up with a plan to have pilots fly the bombers into the valley,put the bombers on auto pilot,and then have the crew parachute out to be picked up by partisans,while the bombers flew on into the damn,destroying the source of water the Nazi's needed.

This was a pretty famous raid,but I can no longer remember all the details. I do remember that Joe Jr died in the raid. Don't know if he was shot down and died in the crash,killed by Nazi's on the ground,or just drowned.

The raid was a failure,so he didn't get the MoH and launch the Presidential career his father had dreamed of for him.

So he was stuck with promoting the "sunken hero" instead.

[bigheadfred]

@Axeslinger

He was,like Teddy,a borderline idiot following the directions of his master/father.

AMERICA was a more conservative place back then,so the pols back then pretended to be more conservative than those of today because they wanted to get re-elected.

BTW,Old Man Joe Kennedy was the US Ambassador to the Court of St.James when America got involved in the war,and King Franklin had to fire him after the British discovered proof that he was passing on US war plans to the Nazi's via connections to the IRA.

The plan was to have Joe Jr get a MoH in the war for bombing the heavy water plants where the Nazi's were working to build their own A-Bomb. VERY dangerous place to try to fly a bomber into because the valley was very narrow and the Nazi AA guns on the dam were very accurate.

So the Army Air Force came up with a plan to have pilots fly the bombers into the valley,put the bombers on auto pilot,and then have the crew parachute out to be picked up by partisans,while the bombers flew on into the damn,destroying the source of water the Nazi's needed.

This was a pretty famous raid,but I can no longer remember all the details. I do remember that Joe Jr died in the raid. Don't know if he was shot down and died in the crash,killed by Nazi's on the ground,or just drowned.

The raid was a failure,so he didn't get the MoH and launch the Presidential career his father had dreamed of for him.

So he was stuck with promoting the "sunken hero" instead.

Sure, the old man had his plans.

Grow up as the "next in line" when your bro is being groomed to rule the world.

I still think JFK had more mettle than my metal ass.

[sneakypete]

Sure, the old man had his plans.

Grow up as the "next in line" when your bro is being groomed to rule the world.

I still think JFK had more mettle than my metal ass.

@bigheadfred

OK.

[skeeter]

@Axeslinger

He was,like Teddy,a borderline idiot following the directions of his master/father.

AMERICA was a more conservative place back then,so the pols back then pretended to be more conservative than those of today because they wanted to get re-elected.

BTW,Old Man Joe Kennedy was the US Ambassador to the Court of St.James when America got involved in the war,and King Franklin had to fire him after the British discovered proof that he was passing on US war plans to the Nazi's via connections to the IRA.

The plan was to have Joe Jr get a MoH in the war for bombing the heavy water plants where the Nazi's were working to build their own A-Bomb. VERY dangerous place to try to fly a bomber into because the valley was very narrow and the Nazi AA guns on the dam were very accurate.

So the Army Air Force came up with a plan to have pilots fly the bombers into the valley,put the bombers on auto pilot,and then have the crew parachute out to be picked up by partisans,while the bombers flew on into the damn,destroying the source of water the Nazi's needed.

This was a pretty famous raid,but I can no longer remember all the details. I do remember that Joe Jr died in the raid. Don't know if he was shot down and died in the crash,killed by Nazi's on the ground,or just drowned.

The raid was a failure,so he didn't get the MoH and launch the Presidential career his father had dreamed of for him.

So he was stuck with promoting the "sunken hero" instead.

I read somewhere Joe Jr's bomber detonated over the English channel due to unknown reasons. Hafta read up.

[GtHawk]

@Axeslinger

He was,like Teddy,a borderline idiot following the directions of his master/father.

AMERICA was a more conservative place back then,so the pols back then pretended to be more conservative than those of today because they wanted to get re-elected.

BTW,Old Man Joe Kennedy was the US Ambassador to the Court of St.James when America got involved in the war,and King Franklin had to fire him after the British discovered proof that he was passing on US war plans to the Nazi's via connections to the IRA.

The plan was to have Joe Jr get a MoH in the war for bombing the heavy water plants where the Nazi's were working to build their own A-Bomb. VERY dangerous place to try to fly a bomber into because the valley was very narrow and the Nazi AA guns on the dam were very accurate.

So the Army Air Force came up with a plan to have pilots fly the bombers into the valley,put the bombers on auto pilot,and then have the crew parachute out to be picked up by partisans,while the bombers flew on into the damn,destroying the source of water the Nazi's needed.

This was a pretty famous raid,but I can no longer remember all the details. I do remember that Joe Jr died in the raid. Don't know if he was shot down and died in the crash,killed by Nazi's on the ground,or just drowned.

The raid was a failure,so he didn't get the MoH and launch the Presidential career his father had dreamed of for him.

So he was stuck with promoting the "sunken hero" instead.

@sneakypete  It's hard to find anything on the Kennedys that isn't flat out idol worship but this is link is to a article about Project Aphrodite which Joe Jr. was involved in when he blowed up good. https://www.thehistoryreader.com/military-history/joe-kennedy-jr-fallen-hero-operation-aphrodite/
It does appear that Joe Jr. may have been the most competent of the stooges "Kennedy had completed 25 combat missions and was eligible to return home. He instead volunteered for an Operation Aphrodite mission.[7]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_P._Kennedy_Jr.