How safe are the COVID vaccines?

[Right_in_Virginia]

It seems most everyone has chosen their poison: 

Say "no" to a vaccine and risk contracting a serious case of Covid-19 and not coming off a ventilator in ICU.

Say "yes" to a vaccine, and wait for unknown life altering side effects to kick in.

Now live with it and stop pushing strangers to tell you how smart you are.

[thackney]

I have no desire to be a guinea pig. But by all means, you all get jabbed. It is your patriotic duty. Wear your mask too.

What bothers me is that the vaccines are being offered as a gigantic drug trial, a fact people tend to forget or ignore. They've each been approved by the FDA on an Emergency Use Authorization . Nobody knows if, or what, the long-term effects will be until there's been time to study them.

The same is true for the SARS-CoV-2 virus.  But the initial results are not looking good.

Long-term Health Consequences of COVID-19
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2771581

Long-Term Respiratory and Neurological Sequelae of COVID-19
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7643287/

....Although the upper and lower respiratory tracts are the main sites of entry of SARS-CoV-2 into the body, resulting in COVID-19 pneumonia as the most common presentation, acute lung damage may be followed by pulmonary fibrosis and chronic impairment of lung function, with impaired quality of life. Also, increasing reports have shown that SARS-CoV-2 infection involves the central nervous system (CNS) and the peripheral nervous system (PNS) and directly or indirectly damages neurons, leading to long-term neurological sequelae....

[Bigun]

Regardless of how safe or unsafe they are, I will not be taking any of them.  You are all free to do as you please but the logic of getting vaccinated against something with a 99+% recovery rate escapes me.

[thackney]

Regardless of how safe or unsafe they are, I will not be taking any of them.  You are all free to do as you please but the logic of getting vaccinated against something with a 99+% recovery rate escapes me.

Same reason I get the Tetanus, Flu, Shingles, etc shots.  Death is not the only bad outcome.  And I am in a higher risk category than 1%.

[Bigun]

Same reason I get the Tetanus, Flu, Shingles, etc shots.  Death is not the only bad outcome.  And I am in a higher risk category than 1%.

And you obviously have much more trust in the PTB than I do and that is fine! Suit yourself.

[roamer_1]

Regardless of how safe or unsafe they are, I will not be taking any of them.  You are all free to do as you please but the logic of getting vaccinated against something with a 99+% recovery rate escapes me.

And there is the penultimate truth... everything  stacked  above that line has to be bullcrap.

[catfish1957]

And there is the penultimate truth... everything  stacked  above that line has to be bullcrap.

Tell that to our neighbor and my son's band director who had a horrific death at age 53 from COVID-19 a year ago. You'd know bullcrap alright.

Getting the vaccine is a personal choice based on indiviudal risk.  Anti vaxxers who are scaring folks, or are telling them they'll be safe without them are being terribly irresponsible.

[Smokin Joe]

The same is true for the SARS-CoV-2 virus.  But the initial results are not looking good.

Long-term Health Consequences of COVID-19
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2771581

Long-Term Respiratory and Neurological Sequelae of COVID-19
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7643287/

....Although the upper and lower respiratory tracts are the main sites of entry of SARS-CoV-2 into the body, resulting in COVID-19 pneumonia as the most common presentation, acute lung damage may be followed by pulmonary fibrosis and chronic impairment of lung function, with impaired quality of life. Also, increasing reports have shown that SARS-CoV-2 infection involves the central nervous system (CNS) and the peripheral nervous system (PNS) and directly or indirectly damages neurons, leading to long-term neurological sequelae....

Which is why early treatment was and remains important, but those protocols were attacked the moment Trump mentioned Hydroxychloroquine.
An ionophore, zinc, and an antibiotic were included in the regimen with the result that the virus could not replicate to develop severe symptoms and physical damage to the lungs or elsewhere.

[roamer_1]

Tell that to our neighbor and my son's band director who had a horrific death at age 53 from COVID-19 a year ago. You'd know bullcrap alright.

Getting the vaccine is a personal choice based on indiviudal risk.  Anti vaxxers who are scaring folks, or are telling them they'll be safe without them are being terribly irresponsible.

Sorry for your losses, but they are in fact anecdotal. It does not change the reality. And I say that knowing folks who have suffered too.

Who is scaring folks is the government, who have been inciting panic above the fold and in bold script for over a year.

It is not unreasonable or irresponsible to point out that no vaccine is needed for a threat that has a death rate of what, .026? And even that is with jacked up data. 

Certainly no cause for suspending normal testing and rushing to market, with what will likely be consequences. Certainly no cause for lockdowns and masks.

It is all bullcrap. ALL of it. And you are right - It IS your personal choice to believe it. But that don't shut me up.

[DCPatriot]

Sorry for your losses, but they are in fact anecdotal. It does not change the reality. And I say that knowing folks who have suffered too.

Who is scaring folks is the government, who have been inciting panic above the fold and in bold script for over a year.

It is not unreasonable or irresponsible to point out that no vaccine is needed for a threat that has a death rate of what, .026? And even that is with jacked up data. 

Certainly no cause for suspending normal testing and rushing to market, with what will likely be consequences. Certainly no cause for lockdowns and masks.

It is all bullcrap. ALL of it. And you are right - It IS your personal choice to believe it. But that don't shut me up.

@roamer_1

QFT!!   

Lost my big sister (18 months) to Covid or pneumonia early this year.  But, she was on a 3X per week kidney dialysis machine and insulin dependent among other problems. 

They told her a ventilator might be too much for her.  ...so she decline getting one.    Died 24 hours later.

I got the vaccine because of my age...since mine is the highest death rate  LOL! 

May as well go Jason Strahan are their spikey asses.

[thackney]

And you obviously have much more trust in the PTB than I do and that is fine! Suit yourself.

Pulmonary Tuberculosis?

[Bigun]

Pulmonary Tuberculosis?

Powers that be.

[jmyrlefuller]

Got the J+J one-shot today. So far some muscle soreness at the injection site, but otherwise I feel fine.

I'm only doing this so that I don't have to deal with the legal nonsense.

[thackney]

And you obviously have much more trust in the PTB than I do and that is fine! Suit yourself.

I don't trust government for crap.  But these were not developed by the government, they were developed by the medical community.  The Government's role in the Covid Vaccine is mostly funding and time frame regulations.

[DB]

I don't trust government for crap.  But these were not developed by the government, they were developed by the medical community.  The Government's role in the Covid Vaccine is mostly funding and time frame regulations.

The bypassing of long term safety studies was all on government.

[libertybele]

The same is true for the SARS-CoV-2 virus.  But the initial results are not looking good.

Long-term Health Consequences of COVID-19
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2771581

Long-Term Respiratory and Neurological Sequelae of COVID-19
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7643287/

....Although the upper and lower respiratory tracts are the main sites of entry of SARS-CoV-2 into the body, resulting in COVID-19 pneumonia as the most common presentation, acute lung damage may be followed by pulmonary fibrosis and chronic impairment of lung function, with impaired quality of life. Also, increasing reports have shown that SARS-CoV-2 infection involves the central nervous system (CNS) and the peripheral nervous system (PNS) and directly or indirectly damages neurons, leading to long-term neurological sequelae....

My hunch is that those who received the vaccine will eventually suffer from some of the symptoms mentioned above.

I do NOT trust this vaccine; why should we?   We're trusting a vaccine for a virus that was inflicted upon us by members affiliated or are part of our own gov't. to destroy our economy and to unseat a President. The FDA, Departments of Health, WHO, CDC, Fauci -- they all have their fingers in this one way or another.  No thanks.  Secondly, I don 't trust their stats on the vaccines nor their recommendations on COVID.

[LegalAmerican]

My hunch is that those who received the vaccine will eventually suffer from some of the symptoms mentioned above.

I do NOT trust this vaccine; why should we?   We're trusting a vaccine for a virus that was inflicted upon us by members affiliated or are part of our own gov't. to destroy our economy and to unseat a President. The FDA, Departments of Health, WHO, CDC, Fauci -- they all have their fingers in this one way or another.  No thanks.  Secondly, I don 't trust their stats on the vaccines nor their recommendations on COVID.

 

[LegalAmerican]

I can't tell if my posts are being deleted or on another thread. I think all of my posts are relevant, but some mod does not think so.  Go figure.  How many covid threads are there? 
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CULTURE   PUBLISHED: 5:12 PM 30 APR 2021

Yale Epidemiologist: 60% Of New COVID Cases Are In People Already Vaccinated
People who don’t understand that the vaccine makes you more susceptible to COVID (and the most deadly version), obviously believe the media propaganda and don’t read what they sign.
 by April Matthews

https://conservativedailypost.com/yale-epidemiologist-60-of-new-covid-cases-are-in-people-already-vaccinated/
 

[Hoodat]

My hunch is that those who received the vaccine will eventually suffer from some of the symptoms mentioned above.

I do NOT trust this vaccine; why should we?   We're trusting a vaccine for a virus that was inflicted upon us by members affiliated or are part of our own gov't. to destroy our economy and to unseat a President. The FDA, Departments of Health, WHO, CDC, Fauci -- they all have their fingers in this one way or another.  No thanks.  Secondly, I don 't trust their stats on the vaccines nor their recommendations on COVID.

The CDC has consistently lied to us again and again and again over the last 17 months, and they continue to do so today.  So no, they haven't earned my trust, especially in regard to an experimental vaccine that actually prevents my body from developing antibodies that will kill it.

[libertybele]

The CDC has consistently lied to us again and again and again over the last 17 months, and they continue to do so today.  So no, they haven't earned my trust, especially in regard to an experimental vaccine that actually prevents my body from developing antibodies that will kill it.

I thought that the J&J vaccine was one that was supposed to produce antibodies?

At any rate, yet another reason not to get the vaccine.

[Hoodat]

I thought that the J&J vaccine was one that was supposed to produce antibodies?

By "experimental", I was referring to the ones that attack the protein spikes while leaving the virus intact.  J&J is not one of those.

[libertybele]

By "experimental", I was referring to the ones that attack the protein spikes while leaving the virus intact.  J&J is not one of those.

Unfortunately though, the J&J vaccine has reportedly the most problems.

[roamer_1]

I don't trust government for crap.  But these were not developed by the government, they were developed by the medical community.  The Government's role in the Covid Vaccine is mostly funding and time frame regulations.

So if you asked me which I trust more, Big Parma or Big Government, I would be unable to adequately answer. Except perhaps, to spit on the ground.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

QFT!!   

Lost my big sister (18 months) to Covid or pneumonia early this year.  But, she was on a 3X per week kidney dialysis machine and insulin dependent among other problems. 

They told her a ventilator might be too much for her.  ...so she decline getting one.    Died 24 hours later.

I got the vaccine because of my age...since mine is the highest death rate  LOL! 

May as well go Jason Strahan are their spikey asses.

I am sorry for your grief. Even if she was kickin it before the fact, or in some risk, I can see where folks would call it the way they do. My own sis is to young for it to be in her way, except that she is heavily compromised in her lungs... Of us all, I worry most for her.

But she won't be taking vax either. And if it is her death, I doubt it would change my mind on the bigger picture.

[PeteS in CA]

The mRNA vaccines (Moderna and Pfizer) cause recipients' immune systems to produce antibodies against the SARS-CoV-2 virus' spike protein.

The Viral Vector vaccines (J&J and AstraZeneca) cause recipients' immune systems to produce antibodies against the SARS-CoV-2 virus' spike protein.

The Novavx's protein sub-unit vaccine causes recipients' immune systems to produce antibodies against the SARS-CoV-2 virus' spike protein.

Neither AstraZeneca's nor Novavax's vaccines are approved for use in the US, nor have either company applied for Emergency Use Authorization.

Why do all target the SARS-CoV-2 virus' spike protein? because it is fairly stable, and with the spike made useless by the antibodies, the SARS-CoV-2 virus cannot enter into cells and thus cannot reproduce. The virus dies without reproducing.

The two inactivated virus vaccines in use in other countries that I'm aware of are produced by Sinovac and Sinopharm, Chinese countries. Chile has been one of Sinovac's (IIRC, maybe both) major customers, and experienced a major surge in cases in March and April, https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/chile/ . The surge appears to have peaked. Those two vaccines appear to not work well against what is currently in circulation. Maybe they are too specific to the virus strain on which the vaccines are based. Or maybe the quality control is lacking. That issue aside, that type of vaccine would produce antibodies that attack the whole virus.

But whether the antibodies produced kill the virus directly or the virus dies unable to reproduce, it died and didn't reproduce.