House Passes ‘Equality Act’ to End Legal Recognition of Biological Sex

[roamer_1]

No.

YES.

Winning is a specific term, and measurable.

Right. You got nothing. You gained nothing. The ball moved LEFT. and it cost my grandbabies twenty trillion bucks.

That ain't winning. That's LOSING.

Helping the wrecking crew is the opposite of winning.

You ARE the wrecking crew - Every bit as much as the Democrats.

When the Mighty Ship of State is going to run aground, because corruption finds profit in it's destruction, it's the people manning the tugboats and pulling in the opposite direction that are trying to win, it's the people on the shore crying "it's getting twenty trillion micrometers closer, those damn tugboats are useless" who are part of the corruption.

Y'all are finding profit in it's destruction. YOU drove that 'mighty ship of state' into irredeemable debt and set us on a course for Venezuela - At TWICE the speed of Obama.

[roamer_1]

Like I said, you have no desire to win.

You are not winning. FAR from it.

[Sled Dog]

You are not winning. FAR from it.

I am.

I'm not sitting on the sidelines tripping the players.   If you want to command the team, join it.   

Since you're not on the team, stop crying. 

[Smokin Joe]

I look in the mirror and shout ARMAGEDDON!

Did you get your neutron bombs yet?

[Right_in_Virginia]

Essentially, folks who vote for Big Government Republicans are saying "It's okay when our side does it."

Now, where have I heard that crap before??

Ronald Reagan.

[Right_in_Virginia]

No, simple, standard Conservatism. Supporting Goldwater/Reagan Conservatives that will defend ALL the principles of Conservatism, supporting ALL the factions - That is what Conservatism in politics IS.

Fixed it for you.  (Can't point to Ronald Reagan as the defender of fiscal conservatism's anti-national debt principle, anti-tariff, pro-life and pro-US sovereignty)

[roamer_1]

I am.

I'm not sitting on the sidelines tripping the players.   If you want to command the team, join it.   

Since you're not on the team, stop crying.

Not a chance in hell. Joining requires fealty and obligation. I QUIT the Republicans precisely to be free of that and to rise in OPPOSITION. In opposition to the moderate wing, and y'all smell just like em.

And I will not be quiet. I will be right here reminding people about what Conservatism really is - Because when you fail again, sommore, which you must, It will be plain it was y'all that failed and not Conservatism.

[roamer_1]

Fixed it for you.  (Can't point to Ronald Reagan as the defender of fiscal conservatism's anti-national debt principle, anti-tariff, pro-life and pro-US sovereignty)

TWENTY TRILLION DOLLARS. TWICE the rate of OBAMA You have no excuse.

[Smokin Joe]

Like I said, you have no desire to win.

I really, really do want to win, but let's define that. Winning entails a strong military (pointed outwards), a secure border, My full rack of Constitutional Rights--not just little scraps of a few of them, a balanced budget, Much smaller Federal government, not just more efficient, but restrained to its constitutional mandates without twisting words like taffy to get more power, restoring power to the States, and to the people.

That's just a start, but I want it all, and failure is not an option if you want my vote.

The question is where am I going to find that? Neither Party has provided that list to anyone.

Sorry, but your GOP is just too Liberal and too far to the Left for me.

And don't bother throwing that false dichotomy bullshit about how that makes me one of the Communists, because I'm  not one of the tepid leftists instead of one of the howling moonbat crazy ones.  There is another option, whether you can see past the Party banners or not.

It got tedious a long time ago hearing y'all PArty folks tell those of us who aren't, how we were on the "other side".

I reckon what you don't understand it is that while y'all talk a bit more to the right than the other folks, actions speak louder than words. That little bit of talk to the right of the Democrats is all well and good, but there was no lasting action to speak of, and that little bit to the right in no wise covers the rest of the spectrum far more conservative than the actions we saw.

Now, I get you don't want to admit that, not even to yourself. I also get that there are people taking up their lances to go tilt at the windmills of the GOP, and some may even make progress there. If so, Kudos, they have my respect and applause. But for the moment, like so many other moments, the GOP is an impotent stud, if not gelded by the good ol' boy smoky back room criminality, shenanigans, and rule bending that is the SOP in DC and how, once elected, those folks get so stinking rich on a mere (low) six figure a year job.  Neither @roamer_1 nor I support that sort of stuff, no matter who is  doing it, and if anyone is doing it, well, I don't consider that "winning".

I voted for Trump this last time, because he didn't write the spending bills, he tried to do some good things for the average stiff (even without the assistance of the GOP), and it turns out he was lied to far more by far more people--some of whom should be hanged for their actions (treason), but wouldn't be, no matter which of the current two biggest Parties is in charge.
As for those weasels in DC, None of the Democrats, and damned few Republicans will see a dime of my money they didn't get at the threat of gunpoint. I will support only those I find worthy, and no others will get my vote.

That is a short list and getting shorter by the day.

[roamer_1]

I really, really do want to win, but let's define that. Winning entails a strong military (pointed outwards), a secure border, My full rack of Constitutional Rights--not just little scraps of a few of them, a balanced budget, Much smaller Federal government, not just more efficient, but restrained to its constitutional mandates without twisting words like taffy to get more power, restoring power to the States, and to the people.

That's just a start, but I want it all, and failure is not an option if you want my vote.

Had they done all that, I'd have never left. Good post.

[Smokin Joe]

Had they done all that, I'd have never left. Good post.

I didn't have to leave, I just didn't follow the Party when it left me.  I'm, if anything, less liberal in my stance than I used to be, and that started out pretty far on the Right.

[sneakypete]

christian:
What we have now is a manifestation of your oft spoken agendas.  The democrats have it nearly all their way, and the Republicans dwell in a small corner now, its just how you say you want it..  Tear America down, defeat Trump, let the Democrats have it all their way regardless of horrific cost and destruction that follows.  No 'real Conservative speaks thusly', The hate-destroy, socialist-Communist speak thusly and with fervor, just as YOU are doing.  You came out of the closet, blinded by your own hate furnace rhetoric, and you can't see it, but many now do.
 Illumination has been achieved, you stepped into the light, denials are like dross, burned away.

@roamer_1  @christian

Well,it is a MUCH better thing for America to fall into chaos and destruction than to have roamer-1 be wrong about anything,right?

Nunna that wussy "compromise stuff" for roamer! Total destruction or nothing!

After all,we need to keep our priorities in order,here!

[Smokin Joe]

Gilligan stole the last election.

More like Mr. Magoo.

[sneakypete]

Like I said, you have no desire to win.

@Sled Dog @roamer_1

I disagree. In MY NSHO,America has to lose in order for roamer to win,and winning is EVERYTHING in his book.

No room for any of that sissy "compromise stuff".

Or to put it another way,roamer has to win,and if America has to fall to make this come true,well,that's the way the cookie crumbles!

[Smokin Joe]

christian:
How clear your 'Conservatism' is:  NeverTrumper hate Trump, as above hate Republicans, not democrats for the same or worse, Hate America and its annihilation is OK.  Odd how you lockstep the most extreme of the democrats.

christian:
All of the above is just fine with you as long as you replace the word Republican with DEMOCRATS that do it.
I think this therapy session has made significant ground, even the dumbest deniers should be able to move beyond clueless now.  We have a real moment of clarity here!

Nope, you don't. You are so wound up in your false dichotomy you just don't get that it isn't okay for either Party to dump 20 trillion dollars we don't have, most of it not even on improving things in America.

I don't care who did it, it was wrong.
I don't care who did it (even if it was mostly Democrats), it WAS NOT the right thing to do.

I would rather Trump had shut the government down. Knock it out. Let the media whine, let the Federal employees snivel up a snotstorm, let the EBT crowd howl from the rooftops, but trim the crap and the pork off the Bills and try to send them through again.

Enough of America being held hostage by this false notion of two sides, because from where I'm sitting they are all pissing away my great-grandchildren's economic futures, and it may well come to pass that (if they piss hard enough and long enough) we will experience an economic collapse and loss of reserve currency status in the global marketplace.

But maybe then we'd learn how to make our own stuff, right here--because we wouldn't be able to afford it from elsewhere.

But from out here in the cheap seats, neither 'team' is playing for me.

[Right_in_Virginia]

TWENTY TRILLION DOLLARS. TWICE the rate of OBAMA

For your purposes the amount shouldn't matter. To paraphrase a now legendary slogan:  "It's the principle, stupid".

You're a purist --- waiting patiently for "raw" conservatism that will honor all its principles.  If you mean this, then you could not possibly include Ronald Reagan as an example of "raw" conservative principles.

Reagan blew the limit off the national debt, used tariffs as a club, granted amnesty to illegals and did not implement or push for one, single pro-life policy in eight years.  He never even drove down the block to mingle with and inspire those tens of thousands meeting on the Capitol mall for the annual March for Life.

Now, if you believe Ronald Reagan did the best he could for the times in which he governed and left the nation better than he found it, then you'd sound like a rational adult with an intrinsic understanding of politics.

If, however, you give Ronald Reagan special dispensation and defend him as a "raw" conservative as you berate another President who governed more conservatively and fought the powers of hell to do so, then all your "holier-than-thou, I know best" rebuttals disintegrate. 

Defend and glorify Reagan but berate and diminish Trump and it means you, self-proclaimed conservative guru, have been --- forgive the colorful description --- blowing smoke out your ass. 

@roamer_1

[Smokin Joe]

For your purposes the amount shouldn't matter. To paraphrase a now legendary slogan:  "It's the principle, stupid".

You're a purist --- waiting patiently for "raw" conservatism that will honor all its principles.  If you mean this, then you could not possibly include Ronald Reagan as an example of "raw" conservative principles.

Reagan blew the limit off the national debt, used tariffs as a club, granted amnesty to illegals and did not implement or push for one, single pro-life policy in eight years.  He never even drove down the block to mingle with and inspire those tens of thousands meeting on the Capitol mall for the annual March for Life.

Now, if you believe Ronald Reagan did the best he could for the times in which he governed and left the nation better than he found it, then you'd sound like a rational adult with an intrinsic understanding of politics.

If, however, you give Ronald Reagan special dispensation and defend him as a "raw" conservative as you berate another President who governed more conservatively and fought the powers of hell to do so, then all your "holier-than-thou, I know best" rebuttals disintegrate. 

Defend and glorify Reagan but berate and diminish Trump and it means you, self-proclaimed conservative guru, have been --- forgive the colorful description --- blowing smoke out your ass. 

@roamer_1

Well, how much is "too much"? How Big is Big?

Would a mere one or three or five trillion have been okay?

I'm curious what you think.

Year ago I faced a similar question. I was overpaid on an invoice for services by a Fortune 3 company.

Not a lot, mind you, just ten cents.

I thought about that. Sheesh, for a company with their assets, ten cents wasn't a gnat turd in the grand scheme of things. Heck, ten dollars wasn't. Ten thousand dollars would be petty change, ten million, ho hum.

but regardless, it wasn't mine, really, it was a mistake.

So I cashed the check anyway, but instead of issuing them a refund (which would have cost them more to process than the amount), I gave them a credit on their next invoice for overpayment on the previous invoice.

Because it wouldn't be right, no matter how much or how little the amount, to just keep it.
I had agreed to work at a certain rate, and that exceeded it--the money wasn't mine to keep.

So how much of the money we have yet to earn would be the acceptable amount, considering little enough of it actually went to help Americans anyway?

[sneakypete]

I really, really do want to win, but let's define that. Winning entails a strong military (pointed outwards), a secure border, My full rack of Constitutional Rights--not just little scraps of a few of them, a balanced budget, Much smaller Federal government, not just more efficient, but restrained to its constitutional mandates without twisting words like taffy to get more power, restoring power to the States, and to the people.

 

@Smokin Joe

LOVING it all! Every single word of it.

We ALL just have to realize that this is impossible to recover overnight. It took the Communists right at 100 years to take full control of the Dim Party and by extension,the nation,to put us on the path to official government racism and slavery.

This can NOT be reversed overnight no matter how hard we try,and chaos would result if we did try.

We MUST move in carefully considered steps to educate and get the current "'murikan publik" accustomed to
the concept of self-reliance and aware of a concept that is now totally foreign to the majority of Americans,namely "Pride and self-respect based on INDIVIDUAL accomplishments,not on group consent. "

A nation populated by an educated people who are proud of themselves and proud of the nation they live in is the ideal.

Not to mention the polar opposite of what the left has programmed into them,namely that they NEED "Big Massa Government to tell them what to do and what to think. That way leads to nothing less than slavery because only a FREE people can think for themselves.

The question is where am I going to find that? Neither Party has provided that list to anyone.

You are NOT going to find it. Neither is anyone else. You/we/ALL of us have to work together to RECREATE it.

When I say "ALL",I MEAN "ALL". None of the mass discrimination  of the left that has us all at each others throats 24/7. Don't get me wrong,as an American,you have every right in the world to hate anyone else for no reason at all other than your own ignorance. What you DON'T have is the RIGHT to use that hate to harm them in any way.

Like it or not,bubba,we ALL either have the same rights,or none of us have any rights at all. That IS the way it works in real life. In addition to that on an individual basis,it is also true on a local and national basis.

Think of it this way. What kind of a people would we be if black bigots working for rescue squads or fire departments refused to rescue families that weren't black from burning homes,or provide life saving treatment to anyone dying because they weren't black?

Or the same for all-white rescue squads/fire departments,all Asian,all His or Her Panic,Lesbian,Male homosexual,etc,etc,etc.

WAKE THE HELL UP,PEOPLE!

We are NOT a gathering of clans. We are a UNITED PEOPLE WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO BE WORKING TOWARDS THE SAME GOALS OF INDIVIDUAL FREEDOMS.

IF we even attempt to withhold rights from ANY group of people we are fragmenting our own freedoms,and playing right into the hands of the internationalists who dream of being the Masters of us all.

There has never been a more useful tool for the internationalists that institutionalized bigotry,be it racism,sexism,educational exclusivity,or income levels. Anything that divides us as a united people makes us ripe pickings for the people that want to be the Masters of us ALL.

Does this mean we need to turn America into a version of "We iz da wurld"? Nope,not a chance. We can ALL celebrate our own ethnic roots,sexual orientations,educational or economic accomplishments,etc,etc,etc without using them as "tools" to cause unnecessary conflict.

Are we all going to join hands and sing "Kumbala"? Nope,not a chance. Not if we want to survive as a free and independent people. We need to relearn how to celebrate our own accomplishments and history without  turning it into a "bleep measuring contest" with other people.

What we need to do is simply to learn once again how to live and let live. You do NOT have to approve of anyone else's life-style. You do not even have to pretend to like them,never mind love them.

What we all MUST do is to allow them to live their lives in peace just like we want to live our lives in peace,providing of course their lives don't involve actual crimes like human sacrifice or cannibalism.

Those issues are for the people we elect to represent us to deal with,not us as individuals. A nation is much more than a gathering of people. It is a gathering of individuals who are willing to make some compromises for the common good. Anything short of that is anarchy,which,once again,is what the left has been pushing since the 1920's.

Sorry, but your GOP is just too Liberal and too far to the Left for me.

Of course! And what better way to solve a problem is there,than to run away from it and pretend it just doesn't apply to you?

And don't bother throwing that false dichotomy bullshit about how that makes me one of the Communists, because I'm  not one of the tepid leftists instead of one of the howling moonbat crazy ones.

 

Nope. You don't even rise to that level because at least the committed communists believe in something and are willing to work to gain it.

There is another option, whether you can see past the Party banners or not.

Wishing and hoping?

Running away to hide in the woods and live on wild hickory nuts?

It got tedious a long time ago hearing y'all PArty folks tell those of us who aren't, how we were on the "other side".

You won't hear that from me. AFAIAC,the only side you think you are on is your own,and you are even wrong about that.

I don't know if you people saw too many Marlboro Man commercials when you were kids or not,but what really happens to the "rugged individualist" of today is he or she becomes a speed bump.

I reckon what you don't understand it is that while y'all talk a bit more to the right than the other folks, actions speak louder than words.

NOTHING speaks louder than words.

One example is "Give me liberty,or give me death!"

Those words were spoken by a man named Patrick Henry,and he was about as far from being an individualist  as it was possible to get. It was people like him who had the stones to create America in the first place,and the America THEY created was intended to be a land of free people living their lives in peace as long as they didn't interfere with others doing the same.

He didn't do the things he did or say the things he said solely for Patrick Henry. He did and said those things for everyone living in America,including those not yet born.

That little bit of talk to the right of the Democrats is all well and good, but there was no lasting action to speak of, and that little bits to the right in no wise covers the rest of the spectrum far more conservative than the actions we saw.

So,you haven't seen or heard what you want to see and hear yet,so "Why not just give up?",right?

Makes sense and surrendering beats the hell out of fighting and being defeated,huh?

Now, I get you don't want to admit that, not even to yourself. I also get that there are people taking up their lances to go tilt at the windmills of the GOP, and some may even make progress there. If so, Kudos, they have my respect and applause. But for the moment, like so many other moments, the GOP is an impotent stud, if not gelded by the good ol' boy smoky back room criminality, shenanigans, and rule bending that is the SOP in DC and how, once elected, those folks get so stinking rich on a mere (low) six figure a year job.  Neither @roamer_1 nor I support that sort of stuff, no matter who is  doing it, and if anyone is doing it, well, I don't consider that "winning".

True,but ONLY because WE,THE PEOPLE,have allowed it to happen.

And,"YES,that DOES include thee and me". We sat on our asses for too long and did nothing but hope it gets better.

It will NEVER get better,only worse,if we continue to fragment instead of gather together to change things. We came "THIS" freaking close in the last election,only to have it stolen from us.

The first thing we need to do is what ever we have to do to make sure this never happens again,and once again,this MUST begin at the grassroots level at the locals where we live. Once we learn how to work together locally again,we can then move on to work nationally.

I voted for Trump this last time, because he didn't write the spending bills, he tried to do some good things for the average stiff (even without the assistance of the GOP), and it turns out he was lied to far more by far more people--some of whom should be hanged for their actions (treason), but wouldn't be, no matter which of the current two biggest Parties is in charge.

 I can't disagree with a single damn word of the above.

As for those weasels in DC, None of the Democrats, and damned few Republicans will see a dime of my money they didn't get at the threat of gunpoint. I will support only those I find worthy, and no others will get my vote.

Oh,yeah!

 

[bilo]

TWENTY TRILLION DOLLARS. TWICE the rate of OBAMA You have no excuse.

Fiscal restraint sailed a long time ago. The fed is monetizing the debt and has been doing that for more than 40 years now.

See how far the 180 degree turn gets you when all those that get entitlements are told there will not only be no cost of living adjustments, but there will be a 50% cut.

[Bigun]

I didn't have to leave, I just didn't follow the Party when it left me.  I'm, if anything, less liberal in my stance than I used to be, and that started out pretty far on the Right.

I left the instant they changed the rules in the middle of the game at their last national convention and will not return.  I've grown sorely tired of being patronized and lied to at every turn which is all I ever got from 40+ years in Republican trenches.

[roamer_1]

For your purposes the amount shouldn't matter. To paraphrase a now legendary slogan:  "It's the principle, stupid".

You're a purist --- waiting patiently for "raw" conservatism that will honor all its principles.  If you mean this, then you could not possibly include Ronald Reagan as an example of "raw" conservative principles.

Reagan blew the limit off the national debt, used tariffs as a club, granted amnesty to illegals and did not implement or push for one, single pro-life policy in eight years.  He never even drove down the block to mingle with and inspire those tens of thousands meeting on the Capitol mall for the annual March for Life.

Now, if you believe Ronald Reagan did the best he could for the times in which he governed and left the nation better than he found it, then you'd sound like a rational adult with an intrinsic understanding of politics.

If, however, you give Ronald Reagan special dispensation and defend him as a "raw" conservative as you berate another President who governed more conservatively and fought the powers of hell to do so, then all your "holier-than-thou, I know best" rebuttals disintegrate. 

Defend and glorify Reagan but berate and diminish Trump and it means you, self-proclaimed conservative guru, have been --- forgive the colorful description --- blowing smoke out your ass. 

@roamer_1

Up to my hiney in elbows and alligators this morning @Right_in_Virginia , so I will have to answer your specious bullshit a little later on in the day, at least after I finally get a coffee down my throat. Just letting you know...

[conservativevoter]

Balless wonders as they are are unable to say what sex is; therefore, their prattle should not be trusted!   

[Mod2]

Stay on topic - the "Equality Act" - and stop sniping at one another or this thread gets locked.

[txradioguy]

Up to my hiney in elbows and alligators this morning @Right_in_Virginia , so I will have to answer your specious bullshit a little later on in the day, at least after I finally get a coffee down my throat. Just letting you know...

It's really not even worth addressing @roamer_1.  Someone who's never been a Conservative tryling to lecture you on Conservative issues is a lost cause.

They'll never get it...they never will.

[christian]

As we have seen repeatedly, it doesn't matter what the democrats do, nor how badly they do it.  The democrats get a pass and trash Trump, trash whitey, trash Republicans, even trash America, and if Trump did it x timers, Democrats are entitled to do it 10x times without any criticisms.  Even America must die, and non-judgmentally so because of how some hate Trump, God, Country, Trump, Republicans, BECAUSE NONE OF THEM PASS A PURITY TEST that turns everything over to democrats.  The fools see it, read it, believe it, but can't judge the privileged democrats for anything, its how we got Biden and all that has happened since.  Some dearly love being blind, lead astray,fools, unto destruction.  Imagine annihilate America is just fine with them, hatred and  blindness is their virtuous lockstep, but they insist in their right to non-judgemental-ism, the wolves in sheeps clothing are out in the open (at least some of them). Right out in the open, and denial just as much!