House Passes ‘Equality Act’ to End Legal Recognition of Biological Sex

[Right_in_Virginia]

It's really not even worth addressing @roamer_1.  Someone who's never been a Conservative tryling to lecture you on Conservative issues is a lost cause.

They'll never get it...they never will.

Right back at ya @txradioguy 

We'll keep fighting while you keep wishing and hoping and fiddling.

[Bigun]

I've noticed that the ONLY thing Republicans fight is each other!

Can't seem to agree on what day of the week it is and seem perfectly content with allowing a CHICOM biological attack to completely destroy the country.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Well, how much is "too much"? How Big is Big?   Would a mere one or three or five trillion have been okay?

I'm curious what you think.

Government spending is more than "how much" --- more important is "on what" @Smokin Joe  Here's where I'd start ...  and here's why fiscal responsibility is so difficult:


Spending on military readiness, economic repair and growth and social safety nets:  all yes, all an investment in the nation with predictable positive returns.

Spending on the military is self-explanatory. 

Spending on economic repair and growth involves changing the income tax structure to a flat tax, tax cuts for businesses, targeted tariff and the removal of burdensome regulations. 

Spending on social safety nets is a "yes" only when combined with a limited definition of "social program" (survival of the citizen and his/her family) strict qualifications, including:  American citizenship, color/religion/creed/sexual orientation blindness, mandatory jobs training and a limited benefit period. 

Examples of such programs under these    rules are:  Medicaid for the indigent (only), food assistance program and welfare income.  Incentivize the private sector to build and manage low income housing.

Sunset the Social Security Program, including disability --- and instead of convincing citizens they're too stupid to plan for their own retirement and disability, introduce mandatory retirement/disability planning and budgeting into the high school and college curriculums.

Helping American citizens (only) who lost their incomes due to a global shutdown stemming from a global pandemic is also a yes.  This includes stimulus payment(s) for unemployed workers, only, and unemployment increases and extensions for only those who have not turned down an offer of employment.  Implement a date certain end of such benefits.

Transfer education dollars from the institutions to the families of individual students, put Rand Paul in charge of the new committee overseeing US foreign aid, and require 2/3 of the Senate to approve any treaty involving taxpayer dollars. 

Give the Executive Branch the line item veto or pass a mandatory government shutdown requirement when any bill passed by one branch of Congress includes any expenditure not specifically listed above.

[roamer_1]

Fiscal restraint sailed a long time ago. The fed is monetizing the debt and has been doing that for more than 40 years now.

See how far the 180 degree turn gets you when all those that get entitlements are told there will not only be no cost of living adjustments, but there will be a 50% cut.

Click your heels together 3 times and say that over and over when hyperinflation hits... And it is surely coming.

[roamer_1]

I left the instant they changed the rules in the middle of the game at their last national convention and will not return.  I've grown sorely tired of being patronized and lied to at every turn which is all I ever got from 40+ years in Republican trenches.

That's right - For me the final straw was cutting Duncan Hunter off from the primary debates in So Carolina. I knew right then the fix is in, and since then it is easy to see.

[roamer_1]

It's really not even worth addressing @roamer_1.  Someone who's never been a Conservative tryling to lecture you on Conservative issues is a lost cause.

They'll never get it...they never will.

Yes, I know @txradioguy . But it needs to be answered in rebuttal to show it for what it is... And ain't. Folks reading here should know the truth.

[Sled Dog]

I really, really do want to win, but let's define that. Winning entails a strong military (pointed outwards), a secure border, My full rack of Constitutional Rights--not just little scraps of a few of them, a balanced budget, Much smaller Federal government, not just more efficient, but restrained to its constitutional mandates without twisting words like taffy to get more power, restoring power to the States, and to the people.

That's just a start, but I want it all, and failure is not an option if you want my vote.

The question is where am I going to find that? Neither Party has provided that list to anyone.

Sorry, but your GOP is just too Liberal and too far to the Left for me.

Yawn.   Another one of those "I want it all NOW!" people.   

It takes twenty years to teach a child that they have to work for what they want, that not only is nobody going to give it to them, but they're not going to get it all at once, either.   

Our parents and our grandparents voted the Rodents in and allowed the disaster to happen.  It's our job to undo that disaster, some I've been working for my whole life.   Do you see me crying because it's farther away now that it's ever been?   No.   

Should have sympathy or pretend to not understand the childish petulance of people who have given up and are sitting on the floor in their wet diapers screaming and pounding the floor because they can't have it right now?   No.  I understand them thoroughly, as you just noticed.

So now the Rodents are passing another bill to fuel their imaginations.   

And...the people sitting in the diapers whining and crying aren't doing anything to oppose the bill.  Logically, then, they accept the bill as written because they haven't rejected it in meaningful ways.

And don't bother throwing that false dichotomy bullshit about how that makes me one of the Communists, because I'm  not one of the tepid leftists instead of one of the howling moonbat crazy ones.  There is another option, whether you can see past the Party banners or not.

People who aren't resisting are assisting, pal.

You're allowing them to use resources that could have been diluted by your resistance and are instead concentrated against other, effective, opponents.

Sheep don't resist, either, even if they can't be said to agree with what the shepherd wants for dinner.

It got tedious a long time ago hearing y'all PArty folks tell those of us who aren't, how we were on the "other side".

No, you're not really on the other side, but you're not opposed to the free healthcare to pull those fence-splinters out, either.

I reckon what you don't understand it is that while y'all talk a bit more to the right than the other folks, actions speak louder than words. That little bit of talk to the right of the Democrats is all well and good, but there was no lasting action to speak of, and that little bit to the right in no wise covers the rest of the spectrum far more conservative than the actions we saw.

Absolutely

Action SPEAKS.

Inaction speaks, too, and pretty loudly.  You just aren't hearing the message because you're too busy beating your own drum, a drum nobody else hears or cares about.

Now, I get you don't want to admit that, not even to yourself. I also get that there are people taking up their lances to go tilt at the windmills of the GOP, and some may even make progress there. If so, Kudos, they have my respect and applause. But for the moment, like so many other moments, the GOP is an impotent stud, if not gelded by the good ol' boy smoky back room criminality, shenanigans, and rule bending that is the SOP in DC and how, once elected, those folks get so stinking rich on a mere (low) six figure a year job.  Neither @roamer_1 nor I support that sort of stuff, no matter who is  doing it, and if anyone is doing it, well, I don't consider that "winning".

There's a trick to dealing with those people in the smoke filled back rooms.

Get your own people in there.  This is done by...playing the political game correctly.   It's not played by quitting.

Losers quit.
Quitters lose.

Those who don't fight don't win.

You don't want to win because by your own admission you're refusing to fight.

If you're not going to oppose the Rodents and their treasonous bills now...well, you're going to lose the chance to ever oppose anything in the near future.

[Sled Dog]

More like Mr. Magoo.

Well, yeah, but I was responding to the Irish reference...

...Mr. Magoo is actually a very good comparison.   

I don't think anyone of the younger generations recognizes the term.   I'd be willing to bet that many of them had to search the internet to discover who and what Pepe Le Pew was.

(Unlike Governor Cuomo, Bill Clinton or Bill Cosby, Pepe Le Pew never succeeded in his seductions.)

[roamer_1]

As we have seen repeatedly, it doesn't matter what the democrats do, nor how badly they do it.  The democrats get a pass and trash Trump, trash whitey, trash Republicans, even trash America, and if Trump did it x timers, Democrats are entitled to do it 10x times without any criticisms.  Even America must die, and non-judgmentally so because of how some hate Trump, God, Country, Trump, Republicans, BECAUSE NONE OF THEM PASS A PURITY TEST that turns everything over to democrats.  The fools see it, read it, believe it, but can't judge the privileged democrats for anything, its how we got Biden and all that has happened since.  Some dearly love being blind, lead astray,fools, unto destruction.  Imagine annihilate America is just fine with them, hatred and  blindness is their virtuous lockstep, but they insist in their right to non-judgemental-ism, the wolves in sheeps clothing are out in the open (at least some of them). Right out in the open, and denial just as much!

Democrats don't get a pass - Democrats just ain't the point. If your whole brag is that you're better than Democrats, we are surely doomed. America is being annihilated by BOTH SIDES. It is two sides of the same damn coin.

There is no opposition. NONE. And I am here to kick your a$$es and make your lungs work.

If you will not hear the principles of Conservatism, perhaps you will hear this: We as a nation have turned out face away from Yah's law - And what happens from here on in (without repentance) is nearly mechanical.

And it turns out, if you accept that, you will accept the principles of Conservatism, and the warning that is inherent with turning your face away - Because it turns out it is the very same dang thing.

If you actually want to oppose liberalism, the principles of Conservatism ARE THE ONLY WEAPON. ALL else will surely fail. Just as y'all have failed.

[Sled Dog]

I left the instant they changed the rules in the middle of the game at their last national convention and will not return.  I've grown sorely tired of being patronized and lied to at every turn which is all I ever got from 40+ years in Republican trenches.

Some of us have principles.

I left the GOP when they decided to throw the game and not even hold a proper impeachment trial on Clinton, one where the House Impeachment Manager could lay out ALL the evidence for the public to see.   That was in 1997 or so.

I rejoined the GOP only because it had Trump at the top.

If they rig the rules and nominate a Jeb! or Romney or McStain again, the game is over and I leave, again, and for good.

[Sled Dog]

I've noticed that the ONLY thing Republicans fight is each other!

Can't seem to agree on what day of the week it is and seem perfectly content with allowing a CHICOM biological attack to completely destroy the country.

I think you only see that because there's no Rodents here to defend their crazy notions.

And the RINOs in the Congress naturally do everything they can to prevent the Americans in the  Congress from attacking the Rodents.  That's how they get their paychecks.

[Sled Dog]

Government spending is more than "how much" --- more important is "on what" @Smokin Joe  Here's where I'd start ...  and here's why fiscal responsibility is so difficult:


Spending on military readiness, economic repair and growth and social safety nets:  all yes, all an investment in the nation with predictable positive returns.

Spending on the military is self-explanatory. 

Spending on economic repair and growth involves changing the income tax structure to a flat tax, tax cuts for businesses, targeted tariff and the removal of burdensome regulations. 

Spending on social safety nets is a "yes" only when combined with a limited definition of "social program" (survival of the citizen and his/her family) strict qualifications, including:  American citizenship, color/religion/creed/sexual orientation blindness, mandatory jobs training and a limited benefit period. 

Examples of such programs under these    rules are:  Medicaid for the indigent (only), food assistance program and welfare income.  Incentivize the private sector to build and manage low income housing.

Sunset the Social Security Program, including disability --- and instead of convincing citizens they're too stupid to plan for their own retirement and disability, introduce mandatory retirement/disability planning and budgeting into the high school and college curriculums.

Helping American citizens (only) who lost their incomes due to a global shutdown stemming from a global pandemic is also a yes.  This includes stimulus payment(s) for unemployed workers, only, and unemployment increases and extensions for only those who have not turned down an offer of employment.  Implement a date certain end of such benefits.

Transfer education dollars from the institutions to the families of individual students, put Rand Paul in charge of the new committee overseeing US foreign aid, and require 2/3 of the Senate to approve any treaty involving taxpayer dollars. 

Give the Executive Branch the line item veto or pass a mandatory government shutdown requirement when any bill passed by one branch of Congress includes any expenditure not specifically listed above.

We're going to have to work together on this a little bit, @Right_in_Virginia.

I'm sure you and I define "readiness" differently that the Rodents who want to waste money on "maternity flight suits" and  "whackamole" castrations for service-its.   

When I say "operational readiness", I mean having the MANpower to engage the enemy, arm them with the necessary gear to fight a 21st century war and bring sadness to the homes of the enemy.   Guns, bombs, airplanes, skimmers and submarines, tanks, boots, belts, uniforms.   Medical care as needed.   Pregnant women need not apply and if some female gets pregnant, she's irresponsible and should given an OTH discharge for incompetence.   The Rodents define "readiness" in a completely different way.

I'm sure we both agree, here.

Now, for the healthcare medicare issue.  The Constitution does not specifically enumerate that power to the Congress, therefore Congress does not have that power.  It's up to the states, and only the states, to decide for themselves how much coverage they want to expend on their indigents.  It's that simple.

The Constitution does not permit the Socialist Security Ponzi Scheme, either.   If the states want to do something that stupid, more power to them.   As you say, it should be phased out.   The young people of today should be freed of that scandal before 2040, with some part of the general funds allocated to fulfill the false promises made to now-retiring seniors who's life's plans rested on the falsehood of the SSPS.

Nor does the Constitution allow Congress, and hence the federal government, authority to finance or regulate education.  None of it.

As you can see, the so-called "equality act" is very much a Constitutional non-starter.   It's up to the individual states to decide what their definitions of "male" and "female" are...and it's funny, but the closer to home these ideas come, the fewer are the people willing to accept the lunacy of the Rodents.   California being an obvious exception.

Foreign Aid from the US should cease being a thing until the US no longer borrows money to meet it's budget.   We REALLY need to enact "common sense budgeting laws".  (Drive the Rodents nuts...)

And yes, the Line Item Veto Amendment is one of the most important goals to shoot for, and to keep shooting until it's ratified.  More important that term limits, even.

[Bigun]

I think you only see that because there's no Rodents here to defend their crazy notions.

And the RINOs in the Congress naturally do everything they can to prevent the Americans in the  Congress from attacking the Rodents.  That's how they get their paychecks.

Just for drill, I would like to see your estimate as to the number of "Americans" currently serving in congress.  @Sled Dog

[Right_in_Virginia]

Yes, I know @txradioguy . But it needs to be answered in rebuttal to show it for what it is... And ain't. Folks reading here should know the truth.

Go ahead.  Prove you're not being a hypocrite with your opinions of Trump and Reagan.   

[Mod2]

You were warned.

[Smokin Joe]

Yawn.   Another one of those "I want it all NOW!" people.   

It takes twenty years to teach a child that they have to work for what they want, that not only is nobody going to give it to them, but they're not going to get it all at once, either.   
 

I guess I missed out on a bunch of my childhood, then, because I was working from the time I could do  something useful in the tobacco fields. I don't expect it ALL OVERNIGHT, but after the last four decades I EXPECT SOME PROGRESS. I AM NOT SEEING ANY.

Our parents and our grandparents voted the Rodents in and allowed the disaster to happen. 

Maybe yours did, mine did not.

It's our job to undo that disaster, some I've been working for my whole life.   Do you see me crying because it's farther away now that it's ever been?   No.   

nope. And I am not crying, I am just not going to support people who are actively undermining my objectives, no matter which side of the room they sit on. If you aren't supporting the things I outlined, you are not on the same side. If you are supporting them, then get off my ass and quit calling ME "the enemy", because It's patently stupid to expect me to even chime in when and IF y'all get something right if you piss me off unnecessarily.  I'm just the guy (among a few) here to remind y'all that this is the direction you should be headed in, not toward the USSA and not being all BIpartisan and all and going the wrong direction. Let the Left "compromise" to the right for a change. Basic horse trading: you start out asking more than you want so you can give some ground and get what you wanted in the first place. If you ask for exactly what you want, and then compromise you get less. And that is what the GOP has been doing, getting less, and less, and less.... No way that's an accident, and even the most numbnutted dullard would figure out they are doing something wrong, unless of course, the objective was never to get it right.

Should have sympathy or pretend to not understand the childish petulance of people who have given up and are sitting on the floor in their wet diapers screaming and pounding the floor because they can't have it right now?   No.  I understand them thoroughly, as you just noticed.

Nope. I haven't noticed much. Thinly veiled trolling is not impressive to me at all. Like I said, y'all are going in the wrong direction, so have a nice trip.
If you have something enduring, something in statute, kindly convince me otherwise with logic instead of making childish and leftist like attempts to demean me.
I'm not about to support your shit because you treat me badly.
If I want to play that game I have a couple of ex wives I could look up.

So now the Rodents are passing another bill to fuel their imaginations.   

So what else is new, you didn't anticipate that? Y'all didn't get ahead of it while the GOP had the Congress and the White House, passing legislation to cut the Leftists off at the pass? You didn't force them to undo what y'all did, and didn't undo what they did before, and now you're surprised? Shocked? Duh.

And...the people sitting in the diapers whining and crying aren't doing anything to oppose the bill.  Logically, then, they accept the bill as written because they haven't rejected it in meaningful ways.

What would you have US do? We aren't in Congress, and the people who supposedly represent us aren't doing jack. You want me to send them another check for what? Sitting on their asses and whinging because they don't have the Trifecta any more? Shit. They didn't use it when they had it. They didn't do squat to stop the STEAL, and haven't done squat to fix the problem. So you tell me why I should send them money to piss away next time, why I should waste time I could spend in far more valuable ways than supporting people who aren't doing their job, and haven't been?

Eff that.

People who aren't resisting are assisting, pal.

I'm resisting, and I'm resisting the whole Frigging Swamp, Democrat and GOP alike.

You're allowing them to use resources that could have been diluted by your resistance and are instead concentrated against other, effective, opponents.Sheep don't resist, either, even if they can't be said to agree with what the shepherd wants for dinner. No, you're not really on the other side, but you're not opposed to the free healthcare to pull those fence-splinters out, either. Absolutely Action SPEAKS.


Inaction speaks, too, and pretty loudly. 

Yeah, it does, and the inaction of the GOP has spoken like the shout around Jericho.

Those walls came tumbling down, and I saw with a clarity you, yourself, could use.
They're all in on it, with the exception of a very few, and they are all profiting handsomely and they are selling us out.
Not just Democrats by any stretch of the imagination, but bureaucrats in agencies that run the alphabet dry, and the GOP as well. If you can't see that, you aren't even beginning to look.

You just aren't hearing the message because you're too busy beating your own drum, a drum nobody else hears or cares about.

Oh I'm not the only one who hears it, and I'm not the only one who cares about it.
There are hosts of frustrated Conservatives in America, ordinary working people who are pissed off that nothing is being done to stop the juggernaut they saw coming back when the TEA party rallies were being held. Still there, still frustrated, perhaps even more so after nothing meaningful has been done to make elections honest, and who won't be sending the scraps of their hard earned money to a bunch of perfidious liars and thieves who have shown they don't give a shit about the very people who hired them.

There's a trick to dealing with those people in the smoke filled back rooms.

There's a few of them, but most aren't legal.

Get your own people in there.  This is done by...playing the political game correctly.   It's not played by quitting.
Losers quit.Quitters lose.Those who don't fight don't win.You don't want to win because by your own admission you're refusing to fight.If you're not going to oppose the Rodents and their treasonous bills now...well, you're going to lose the chance to ever oppose anything in the near future.

What makes you think I'm not opposed to people and acts even more treasonous than those of the GOP(e)?

I am opposed to all acts of treason coming from wherever, whomever, and that includes most of the lot on Capitol Hill, the dolt at 1600 PA Ave, and his sidekick (however you want to give top billing+ and the goons pulling the strings. You just got here, or you'd know that without me telling you.

But I'm not sending one red cent to the GOP, nothing to the Democrats either. I'm only going to spend a second of my time supporting those who I think are doing or going to do their job, and most incumbents need not apply. If I see a candidate who upholds the values I have mentioned I will support them. Until then, nope, I'm not paying for crap (except what's extracted at threat of gunpoint by the IRS), no matter what gourmet sauce the marketing department puts on it or how fancy a name they give it. I never said I quit, I said I quit supporting people who aren't doing their job. There is a difference.

If you think supporting people who have just kept missing the boat, who fail to grab the brass ring, who time and again come up with some lame-assed excuse for not getting any results, well, there's a word for that, and it's said those folks should never get and even break. And you won't.

I didn't come to the conclusion I have overnight, but through decades of observation and, yes, participation in the process. I was researching and sending white papers to my Congressmen back in the mid 80s, and even the (GOP held) White House, which rewarded my efforts with a form letter thanking me for my concern about farm policy--not the topic of the letter or the white paper, but at least someone read my zip code and gave it a shot.
But after decades of trying to effect change in a positive and conservative direction, fighting the tide of 'bi-partisanship' and "moving to the middle" and all the catchy little phrases for moving Left the spinmeisters at the GOP have come up with, I have stood my ground, on principle, and watched as the Party left me.

I'm still here, looking for a Federal Government constrained by the Constitution which was used to delegate duties and empower it to perform them, as that leviathan, driven by the other welfare --hundreds of government agencies and bureaus doing things the Federal Government was never empowered to do, and sucking up not only the power of the several States, but the fruits of the labors of its people, and then, spending money their grandchildren haven't made yet, to give that money away to foreign countries and redistribute that wealth to those who will not work, and it hasn't gotten any better, just worse.

At issue still: Border security and immigration
Welfare reform
(and elimination)
Social Security
A realistic and balanced budget.
Four year without new wars, there should have been a grundle to spend or armaments. Where did it go? Putting outboard motors on the LCS fleet?
Obamacare (get rid of it, "root and branch")

et fricking cetera. Enough of this job security for bureaucrats and the Congress.

I'll cast my votes for those who deserve them, and not for those who don't. They're going to have to earn them, and no just putting a sticker on that says "R" after their name will suffice.
 I haven't quit, I'm just not playing on the team you like, and I'm damned sure not playing for that other bunch either. If they are both heading the same direction, I'm not getting on either boat.

If that means I sit back in the cheap seats, so be it. I'm good with that, and I really don't care what you think.

[Mod2]

As Joe noticed, the thread has been unlocked. From here on, stay on topic.

[bigheadfred]

(singing Seether)

Who's to know if your soul will fade at all?
The one you sold to fool the world
You lost your self esteem along the way, yeah
Good god, you're coming up with reasons
Good god, you're dragging it out
Good god, it's the changing of the seasons
I feel so raped, so follow me down
Just fake it if you're out of direction
Fake it if you don't belong here
Fake it if you feel like infection
Whoa, you're such a 4444ing hypocrite

[Sled Dog]

Just for drill, I would like to see your estimate as to the number of "Americans" currently serving in congress.  @Sled Dog

There's probably three in the Senate and none in the House.

[Bigun]

There's probably three in the Senate and none in the House.

Thanks! @Sled Dog   That closely correlates to my estimate.

[bilo]

I've noticed that the ONLY thing Republicans fight is each other!

Can't seem to agree on what day of the week it is and seem perfectly content with allowing a CHICOM biological attack to completely destroy the country.

I think Trump is in the process of changing that. Four different potential candidates for the OH. Senate seat are meeting with him. If a candidate doesn't have his support they won't win. If Trump is smart he can help weed out a lot of Rino's. We need a united disciplined party that won't tolerate those that break ranks on the big issues. Noem in SD., is discovering the Trump base will not give you a second chance when you break rank.

As far as letting the "woke" crowd determine that naming a virus after the region or country it originates in is racist the only thing we can do is keep identifying it by it's location and if someone criticizes us saying, "I didn't realize you were so woke".

[Bigun]

I think Trump is in the process of changing that. Four different potential candidates for the OH. Senate seat are meeting with him. If a candidate doesn't have his support they won't win. If Trump is smart he can help weed out a lot of Rino's. We need a united disciplined party that won't tolerate those that break ranks on the big issues. Noem in SD., is discovering the Trump base will not give you a second chance when you break rank.

As far as letting the "woke" crowd determine that naming a virus after the region or country it originates in is racist the only thing we can do is keep identifying it by it's location and if someone criticizes us saying, "I didn't realize you were so woke".

I sincerely hope you are right. That would be a welcome move in the right direction.

[bilo]

Click your heels together 3 times and say that over and over when hyperinflation hits... And it is surely coming.

Recognizing that fiscal restraint is not going to happen and that the federal govt. is monetizing the debt is not saying I don't see potential problems arising from it.

As far as hyperinflation coming don't be so sure. A couple other things may happen. The Federal Reserve may end up monopolizing the Treasury market, which is the mechanism the fed govt uses to cover deficit spending. If this occurs we may have stagflation, or worse deflation. Another option we may see is a potential default on bonds and the world default currency becoming the yuan. Any of these events will be devastating.

However, holding onto the idea that any party will have the discipline to balance the budget and begin paying down the debt is a fool's errand. The second a party cuts entitlements all those fine citizens who call for fiscal discipline will throw that party out of office.

What people mean when they say they want fiscal discipline is they want someone else's benefit, or program, cut.

[bilo]

I sincerely hope you are right. That would be a welcome move in the right direction.

Just keep telling the truth!

When a leftist complains laugh and say, "I didn't realize you were so woke".

The Pub party is being transformed. It is becoming more populist and less corporate. You can see the transition in the Senate retirements. If Trump supporters refuse to support any Rino's we will weed them out.

I know I will never vote for another Rino because the lesser of two evils is still evil and the only way to end the leftist tyranny is to elect warriors.

[roamer_1]

Recognizing that fiscal restraint is not going to happen and that the federal govt. is monetizing the debt is not saying I don't see potential problems arising from it.

As far as hyperinflation coming don't be so sure. A couple other things may happen. The Federal Reserve may end up monopolizing the Treasury market, which is the mechanism the fed govt uses to cover deficit spending. If this occurs we may have stagflation, or worse deflation. Another option we may see is a potential default on bonds and the world default currency becoming the yuan. Any of these events will be devastating.

However, holding onto the idea that any party will have the discipline to balance the budget and begin paying down the debt is a fool's errand. The second a party cuts entitlements all those fine citizens who call for fiscal discipline will throw that party out of office.

What people mean when they say they want fiscal discipline is they want someone else's benefit, or program, cut.

Then we are well and truly doomed. And anything else you might busy yourselves with is merely rearranging deck chairs. Thus your position is wholly incoherent and inconsistent...