Poll: 64 Percent of Republican Voters Would Join Trump If He Started a New Party

[XenaLee]

That's because shutting down the whole government is a losing proposition for conservatives and always has been. Get the necessary votes to overturn it and then do that.

That's another lie (one of many).   

Caving in to the demands of the leftist Democrats is a losing proposition for conservatives.  Being gutless, go along to get along, RINOs is a losing proposition for conservatives.  Letting the leftist Democrats spend America into financial collapse, Cloward-Piven style, is a losing proposition for conservatives.

As usual, you have it 100% WRONG.

[bilo]

The survey also found that a surprising chunk of independent voters (28 percent) and Democrats (15 percent) said they would sign up for a third party formed by Trump.

It's not just us who are frustrated by the failure of our elected representatives to actually represent us. The Gamestop debacle and Robinhood controlling trading so hedgefunds could cut their losses was a great lesson for a younger mostly liberal generation to see that the elites only have rules for us not for them.

As a Pub watching Cheney get a pass for stabbing our POTUS in the back and then seeing 11 Pubs vote with the Rats to toss Greene out of her committee assignments just confirms what we saw with the fraudulent election and selection of Biden. The Pub party is controlled by people who are only interested in being part of the ruling class.

We are way past time for a new party to be created. The divide in the country is so great we need a new party if for no other reason than to figure out how to separate the country.

[XenaLee]

The survey also found that a surprising chunk of independent voters (28 percent) and Democrats (15 percent) said they would sign up for a third party formed by Trump.

It's not just us who are frustrated by the failure of our elected representatives to actually represent us. The Gamestop debacle and Robinhood controlling trading so hedgefunds could cut their losses was a great lesson for a younger mostly liberal generation to see that the elites only have rules for us not for them.

As a Pub watching Cheney get a pass for stabbing our POTUS in the back and then seeing 11 Pubs vote with the Rats to toss Greene out of her committee assignments just confirms what we saw with the fraudulent election and selection of Biden. The Pub party is controlled by people who are only interested in being part of the ruling class.

We are way past time for a new party to be created. The divide in the country is so great we need a new party if for no other reason than to figure out how to separate the country.

In addition.... the way I see it is.... not creating a third party.... which in essence is creating competition for the GOP for our votes... would be continuing to reward the GOP's bad behavior ....

and expecting different results (ie insanity).

[cato potatoe]

That's because shutting down the whole government is a losing proposition for conservatives and always has been. Get the necessary votes to overturn it and then do that.

Didn't help when the Dear Orange wanted to retain the essence of Obamacare while making it insolvent.  He never could articulate any major reform to the ACA.  I don't blame McCain for voting it down either ... would have just left a huge opening for the next donkey president.

[bilo]

In addition.... the way I see it is.... not creating a third party.... which in essence is creating competition for the GOP for our votes... would be continuing to reward the GOP's bad behavior ....

and expecting different results (ie insanity).

What a great point!

We see what liars the Pubs are when 140+ of them say Cheney should step down from leadership but when a secret ballot is cast only 61 vote for her to step down.

[XenaLee]

What a great point!

We see what liars the Pubs are when 140+ of them say Cheney should step down from leadership but when a secret ballot is cast only 61 vote for her to step down.

Most of them are great at pretending to care about the right issues...but when the rubber meets the road, they are either MIA, hiding under their desks or caving to the rats on key legislation.  I've had enough....

finally.

Their betrayal of all things Trump (including of his supporters/voters) is literally the final straw.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Most of them are great at pretending to care about the right issues...but when the rubber meets the road, they are either MIA, hiding under their desks or caving to the rats on key legislation.  I've had enough....

finally.

Their betrayal of all things Trump (including of his supporters/voters) is literally the final straw.

 

[bilo]

Most of them are great at pretending to care about the right issues...but when the rubber meets the road, they are either MIA, hiding under their desks or caving to the rats on key legislation.  I've had enough....

finally.

Their betrayal of all things Trump (including of his supporters/voters) is literally the final straw.

You're right!

I didn't start out as a Trump supporter. I supported Cruz and still do. However, once it became clear that Trump was going to try and do exactly what he said he would I became a supporter. I can't believe that Trump got as much done as he did with so little help from the Pub leadership. The Pubs don't realize how badly they screwed up when they abandoned Trump after the Nov. election and decided to select Biden. Yes, MAGA voters will support some Pubs but I doubt they are going to come out for the establishment Pubs.

The leftists will dominate in DC and as their radical policies are forced on more and more of us the only question will be at what point do we separate and how do we do it. 

[XenaLee]

You're right!

I didn't start out as a Trump supporter. I supported Cruz and still do. However, once it became clear that Trump was going to try and do exactly what he said he would I became a supporter. I can't believe that Trump got as much done as he did with so little help from the Pub leadership. The Pubs don't realize how badly they screwed up when they abandoned Trump after the Nov. election and decided to select Biden. Yes, MAGA voters will support some Pubs but I doubt they are going to come out for the establishment Pubs.

The leftists will dominate in DC and as their radical policies are forced on more and more of us the only question will be at what point do we separate and how do we do it.

Same here.   I was already soured on the GOP for their previous betrayals and gutless behavior.   When Trump came along, I also didn't trust him (or anyone that EVER supported DemocRats).  So I voted 3rd party.  It was only after Trump showed that he was anti-establishment (rats) and became their No. 1 enemy that I jumped on board the Trump train, happily.   The GOP was just along for the ride, IMO.   Now, they have summarily managed to derail the entire train by betraying Trump.   Screw em.

[skeeter]

Same here.   I was already soured on the GOP for their previous betrayals and gutless behavior.   When Trump came along, I also didn't trust him (or anyone that EVER supported DemocRats).  So I voted 3rd party.  It was only after Trump showed that he was anti-establishment (rats) and became their No. 1 enemy that I jumped on board the Trump train, happily.   The GOP was just along for the ride, IMO.   Now, they have summarily managed to derail the entire train by betraying Trump.   Screw em.

Murderturtle has already declared he will not offer the party's support to any Trump candidates. Which can be interpreted as no GOP support for any 'America First' candidates, since this is what Trump stands for.

The GOP as an organization does not care what we want. They do not share our values. They do not want our participation nor input beyond our vote.

Hard to believe there are still dim bulbs out there on 'our team' that have not grasped this yet.

[bilo]

Murderturtle has already declared he will not offer the party's support to any Trump candidates. Which can be interpreted as no GOP support for any 'America First' candidates, since this is what Trump stands for.

The GOP as an organization does not care what we want. They do not share our values. They do not want our participation nor input beyond our vote.

Hard to believe there are still dim bulbs out there on 'our team' that have not grasped this yet.

They've told us we are nothing to them with their actions:

1. Abandoned Trump and selected Biden.

2. Kept Cheney in leadership.

3. Let Greene get thrown off committees

And I'm not even talking about policies they never fought for, or enacted when they could.

I really want to have a 3rd party to support. It needs to get organized at city, county, state levels in MAGA States. Trump has the "mojo" to get it going and if he wants to be the head of it all the better, but the dissatisfaction with govt is so great it's not a requirement.

[XenaLee]

Murderturtle has already declared he will not offer the party's support to any Trump candidates. Which can be interpreted as no GOP support for any 'America First' candidates, since this is what Trump stands for.

The GOP as an organization does not care what we want. They do not share our values. They do not want our participation nor input beyond our vote.

Hard to believe there are still dim bulbs out there on 'our team' that have not grasped this yet.

Agreed.

[Hoodat]

That's because shutting down the whole government is a losing proposition for conservatives and always has been.

It is a winning proposition for the country.  To hell with politics.  Sometimes you just need to do what is best for America.  And what is good for America is by default good for Americans.

[XenaLee]

They've told us we are nothing to them with their actions:

1. Abandoned Trump and selected Biden.

2. Kept Cheney in leadership.

3. Let Greene get thrown off committees

And I'm not even talking about policies they never fought for, or enacted when they could.

I really want to have a 3rd party to support. It needs to get organized at city, county, state levels in MAGA States. Trump has the "mojo" to get it going and if he wants to be the head of it all the better, but the dissatisfaction with govt is so great it's not a requirement.

And what, really, do we have to lose?   It's not like any of us have any 'real' faith, hope or expectations that the current GOP will be any less traitorous than they have already been.  Especially with the same corrupt leadership in place.   

[libertybele]

It's one thing to support a 3rd party and it's quite another that a 3rd party candidate actually win.  Certainly Trump has the $$ and the draw more so than any other 3rd party candidate.

Who knows what roadblocks the DEMS will come up with to stop a 3rd party candidate for running (and they will come up with them, especially if its Trump running).

There's still the HUGE issue of getting a fair election and the integrity of ballots actually cast.  Until those issues are resolved, there is no way a 3rd party will win.

If there's no progress at fixing the ballot box and restoring voter integrity then the only other options is inserting a renewed party/constitutional government

Sure, we can attempt to install conservatives at the local level and work our way up, but that's going to take many election cycles; meanwhile the DEMS remain in control.  How do you think that's going to work out?

[Hoodat]

Hard to believe there are still dim bulbs out there on 'our team' that have not grasped this yet.

It baffles the mind each time I hear someone argue that balancing the budget is a losing political strategy for the GOP, but completely alienating the Conservative base over the course of 15 years is a winning one.

[libertybele]

It baffles the mind each time I hear someone argue that balancing the budget is a losing political strategy for the GOP, but completely alienating the Conservative base over the course of 15 years is a winning one.

Right now, the only viable political strategy is trying to stop the DEMS from further destroying our Republic which is going to be extremely difficult considering that we hold no majority in neither house. New party? New govt?  Perhaps.

Thinking that the GOP has a shot at winning seats back in 2022 is a pipe dream considering that there is no election integrity.  Combine that with the blanket amnesty planned and change in electoral rules and I really think that, that reality needs to enter into the complete overall big picture here.

[XenaLee]

It baffles the mind each time I hear someone argue that balancing the budget is a losing political strategy for the GOP, but completely alienating the Conservative base over the course of 15 years is a winning one.

The establishment assumes, wrongly, 'once a dupe, always a dupe'.  Not for this Conservative!

[Sled Dog]

So if The Foolish Party picked up only 64% of 75 million, they'd have mustered 48 million votes in 2024.

Compared to the Rodents real 65 million and inflated to 81 million or whatever fictitious figure they came up with last year.

Good job.

Glad to see that the people who dream idiotically of a third party are so well versed in mathematics.  You guys have a real winning strategy here.

But....

...if this alleged third party can scrape up some 40% of the Rodents' fictitious 81 million, or 32 million voters,  then The Stupid Party will have 48 million plus 32 million = 80 million and the Rodents will be reduced to 95 million, because, hell, how can they lose votes when they're the ones making up the numbers, right?

[Sled Dog]

It's one thing to support a 3rd party and it's quite another that a 3rd party candidate actually win.  Certainly Trump has the $$ and the draw more so than any other 3rd party candidate.

Who knows what roadblocks the DEMS will come up with to stop a 3rd party candidate for running (and they will come up with them, especially if its Trump running).

There's still the HUGE issue of getting a fair election and the integrity of ballots actually cast.  Until those issues are resolved, there is no way a 3rd party will win.

If there's no progress at fixing the ballot box and restoring voter integrity then the only other options is inserting a renewed party/constitutional government

Sure, we can attempt to install conservatives at the local level and work our way up, but that's going to take many election cycles; meanwhile the DEMS remain in control.  How do you think that's going to work out?

Won't be only the Rodents doing the blockading.

The GOP and the Rodents control ballot access in all 56 states.   The LP has had to struggle with GOP blockages throughout it's pathetic history.

the GOP is the crew that ruined the Tea Party, you know.   The Illegal Alien from Kenya merely helped, because it was fun for her to see the Americans tear themselves apart...and even then the Rodents under that illegal regime still lost seats.

Really, how many times do people have to be told that the Trump voters do not need to fracture the GOP, that fracturing the GOP is exactly what the Rodents want to see and that the RINOs will even benefit?

What the people the Rodents robbed in this election, all 75 million of them, need to do is to eject the RINOs like they suddenly realized they swallowed the urine sample, not the cider?   The GOP is THEIR party, time for them to take the responsibility of cleaning it up.  What are they, welfare tenants abandoning a property they trashed and expecting their next squatter's residence to stay magically clean?  No.   Time for you people to clean out your swamp, starting right here at home.

Right?

Put the Kool-Aid down, get to work.

[skeeter]

Right now, the only viable political strategy is trying to stop the DEMS from further destroying our Republic which is going to be extremely difficult considering that we hold no majority in neither house. New party? New govt?  Perhaps.

Thinking that the GOP has a shot at winning seats back in 2022 is a pipe dream considering that there is no election integrity.  Combine that with the blanket amnesty planned and change in electoral rules and I really think that, that reality needs to enter into the complete overall big picture here.

If the GOP wins the House in ‘22 do you think, for example, they’ll work to re-secure the border? Do you think they’ll pass any kind of election security legislation, voter ID, etc? To name the two issues most important to the future efficacy of their party?

I don’t.

[libertybele]

If the GOP wins the House in ‘22 do you think, for example, they’ll work to re-secure the border? Do you think they’ll pass any kind of election security legislation, voter ID, etc? To name the two issues most important to the future efficacy of their party?

I don’t.

The first point that I was making is that the election laws need to be changed prior to '22 in order to get a fair election.  As long as Ronna is head of the RNC that's not going to happen.

Trying to find conservatives to run in '22 is a possibility, but getting them seated IMHO will be next to impossible with the DEM voting law changes and as long as Mitch is on team DEM it's not going to happen.

In answer to your question.  Flat out NO.

[Fishrrman]

A new party?
Where do I sign up?

[libertybele]

A new party?
Where do I sign up?

Ok....think this through.  Yep.  New party sounds great. Absofreakinlutely!  Unless the integrity of the ballot box is changed there is no way a 3rd party is going to win (or the GOP for that matter) and IMHO there is a possibility that the DEMS will rule or make law that a 3rd party can't run (especially if it's led by Trump).

So ... IMHO ... we need to think a little beyond that box @Fishrrman

[bilo]

And what, really, do we have to lose?   It's not like any of us have any 'real' faith, hope or expectations that the current GOP will be any less traitorous than they have already been.  Especially with the same corrupt leadership in place.   

The argument that a 3rd party will fail because the rules are set by the Rats and Pubs and that the best solution is to fix the Pub party is not sound.

We've been trying to fix the Pub party for a generation and nothing changes. The Cheney vote shows that no matter how many conservatives we send to DC the establishment finds ways to corrupt most of them. Also, if the focus of a new 3rd party is to have a slate of candidates, not just candidates for federal office, there will be States that elect a majority of new 3rd party officials at the State level. It is gaining control of State legislatures that is the long term key. It is from State legislatures that election laws can be cleaned up and a separation movement pushed forward.

I think trying to change DC is a waste of time. The fascists are in control. The only hope for freedom loving traditional Americans is to find a way to establish a new homeland.