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LIVE THREAD: Impeachment 2.0
« on: February 08, 2021, 02:31:39 pm »
Here we go again..Please post all Impeachment news here


What is Trump charged with?

On 13 January, the US House of Representatives voted by 232 to 197 to impeach Trump over “incitement of insurrection” after his supporters stormed the Capitol in an attempt to overturn November’s election result. 10 Republican representatives voted to impeach him, making it the most bipartisan presidential impeachment in US history.

Prosecutors place the blame for the violence squarely on the former president. Five died, hundreds were injured, members of Congress and staff were terrorized and the seat of US government building was left with “bullet marks in the walls, looted art, smeared faeces in hallways” – all in a bid to prevent the certification of Joe Biden’s election victory. “President Trump’s responsibility for the events of 6 January is unmistakable,” the prosecutors charge in an 80-page memorandum submitted last week.

They will argue that his actions in whipping up the crowd with unfounded accusations of election fraud “endangered the life of every single member of Congress” and “jeopardized the peaceful transition of power and line of succession”.


What is Donald Trump claiming in his defense?

Trump has had trouble assembling a legal team. His usual personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, had to recuse himself because he also gave a speech at the event where the former president is accused of fomenting insurrection. Trump then appears to have fallen out with his first legal team, which was led by Butch Bowers.

Now led by lawyers David Schoen and Bruce L Castor, Trump’s team issued a thinly argued 14-page document last week that said his speech did not amount to a call to storm the Capitol and that his trial was unconstitutional anyway, because he has left office. Trump will not testify personally.


Who presides over the trial?

Trump’s first impeachment was presided over by chief justice of the supreme court, John Roberts, as set out in the constitution. However, as this trial is of a former president, 80-year-old Patrick Leahy, the longest-serving Democratic senator – who holds the title of president pro tempore – will preside. It will be prosecuted by a team of nine impeachment managers from the House, and the whole Senate was sworn in as the jury on 26 January.



How long will the trial last?

How long the trial will take is not known, but most people believe it will be much shorter than the three-week trial the last time Trump was impeached over his actions over Ukraine, when he was accused of abusing his power and obstructing Congress.

It is unclear yet whether the Senate will vote to allow the legal teams to call witnesses in person, although the trial is highly unusual in that the jury are witnesses, as senators were present in the Capitol and were forced into hiding as the mob invaded the very chamber where the trial will be held. The prosecution team are expected to include video footage and eyewitness testimony from members of Congress while building their case.

Will a second impeachment bar Trump running from office in 2024?

Not necessarily. If he was found guilty, there’s no immediate punishment, since he is no longer in office. The Senate could, with a simple majority vote, bar him from holding federal elective office in the future. With the Senate split 50-50, and the vice-president, Kamala Harris, holding the casting vote, that could pass quite simply.

There is a constitutional argument to be had that the Democrat-controlled Senate might try to do this anyway even if Trump is found not guilty, by invoking section three of the post-civil war 14th amendment to the US constitution. That forbids anyone who has “engaged in insurrection or rebellion” against the US from holding federal office, but that is likely to be the subject of a significant legal dispute should it arise.


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Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment 2.0
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2021, 04:52:53 pm »
Schumer, McConnell finalizing deal on Trump impeachment trial
By Jordain Carney - 02/08/21 11:18 AM EST


Senate Majority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) and GOP Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) are nearing a deal on the framework for former President Trump's second impeachment trial. 

Under the deal, which hasn't been finalized, the trial could wrap up in roughly a week if no witnesses are called.

"We are finalizing a resolution that's been agreed to by all parties ... that will ensure a fair, honest, bipartisan Senate impeachment trial," Schumer said at a press conference in New York, adding that additional details would be released on Monday.


The Senate would start the trial on Tuesday with up to four hours of debate and a vote over its constitutionality, according to a person familiar with the talks. Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) forced a similar vote late last month, which failed but underscored that there aren't the votes to convict Trump. Republicans have been pledging to revive the issue during the trial.

Opening arguments wouldn't start until Wednesday at noon, with both the House impeachment managers and Trump's legal team getting 16 hours to present their case. 

In order to comply with a request from one of Trump's attorneys the trial would not be conducted on Saturday, but would reconvene on Sunday afternoon. Typically impeachment trials run every day of the week besides Sunday but one of Trump's attorneys, David Schoen, asked Senate leadership to agree to pause the trial from 5:24 p.m. on Friday until Sunday in order to observe the Jewish Sabbath.

The Senate could also hold a debate and vote on whether or not to formally call witnesses after both sides present their case if House impeachment managers request it. Senators are also expected to get time to ask questions. In previous trials, the question-and-answer session has lasted two days.

"If the managers decide they want witnesses there will be a vote on that. That's what they requested. They weren't sure they wanted witnesses. They wanted to preserve the option," Schumer said.


The time for both sides to present their case is truncated from the 24 hours given during both Trump's first trial and the Clinton impeachment trial. The impeachment managers and Trump's lawyers were given three days to present their case last year.

The burgeoning agreement comes as senators have signaled that they want a speedy trial that could be wrapped up in roughly a week. The Senate had been scheduled to leave town on Friday for a one-week recess, but senators expect to have to yield back at least some of the break.

Though Republicans blamed Trump in the wake of the Jan. 6 attack, Democrats are not expected to be able to get the 17 votes needed to find him guilty of the one article of impeachment. The House article accuses Trump of high crimes and misdemeanors for “willfully inciting violence against the Government of the United States.” 

Though several GOP senators, including McConnell, haven't said how they will vote, senators cap the number of GOP senators who could potentially vote to convict Trump at five. That's the same number who voted with Democrats last month against the effort by Paul to declare the trial unconstitutional.

The trial is the first for a president already out of office. Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) is expected to preside over the trial instead of Chief Justice John Roberts.

Republicans have seized on an argument that the Senate cannot hold a trial for a president already out of office, even as legal scholars across the political spectrum have dismissed it.

"Is it constitutional? Does the Constitution anticipate a Senate trial of a president who has left office? And I think the overwhelming weight of history and also precedent indicates that it ... is not proper," Sen. Roger Wicker (R-Miss.), an adviser to McConnell, told ABC's "This Week."

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/537795-schumer-mcconnell-near-deal-on-trump-impeachment-trial
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Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment 2.0
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« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2021, 04:56:23 pm »
Complete farce, I hope Mcconnell puts it to a vote asap.

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« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2021, 05:55:05 pm »
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« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2021, 06:49:54 pm »
Debasing the Constitution: Why Chief Justice Roberts is Not Presiding over Trump’s Impeachment Trial

As Donald Trump’s second impeachment trial begins today, not enough attention has been paid to the fact that Chief Justice Roberts will not be presiding.

Senate Democrat Richard Blumenthal, a lawyer, former federal prosecutor and member of the Judiciary Committee, believes the Chief Justice should preside.

Elizabeth Warren adopts the far more aggressive position that the Chief Justice must preside as part of “his constitutional duty.”  For good measure, she adds, “I can’t imagine why a Supreme Court justice would not do his duty.”

More  here:

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/02/debasing_the_constitution_why_chief_justice_roberts_is_not_presiding_over_trumps_impeachment_trial.html
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Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment 2.0
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2021, 07:47:21 pm »
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A) The final set of briefs are due today from House impeachment managers and attorneus for former President Trump, rebutting one another’s arguments last week.

B) The trial, by rule, is slated to begin tomorrow at 1 pm et. Senators have yet to agree to any trial framework. That could dictate the length of the trial, whether the sides would present evidence and if senators could hear from witnesses.

C) The Senate would have to vote on such an organizational resolution for the trial.  Otherwise, the sides present their opening arguments tomorrow afternoon.

D) There could also be a motion to dismiss the article of impeachment right off the bat, sans an organizing accord for the trial. That would require 51 votes.   It’s possible the Senate could arrange a framework along the lines of what senators agreed to in the trial last year.

E) Arguments for several days. Sets of questions from senators, submitted in writing, and then a “gateway” vote to entertain witnesses and evidence. The lack of an agreement could present a serious operational problem for the Senate.

F) In addition, Democrats are split about moving the trial along hastily and simultaneously holding the former President to account.

G) House impeachment managers could augment the latter by hearing testimony from stricken Congressional staffers, rattled after the 1/6 attack, injured USCP officers or even former administration officials.

H) There is a request from President Trump’s attorney David Schoen to conclude the trial each week by sundown on Fridays because he observes the Jewish sabbath.

I) By rule, without an agreement, the trial is supposed to run six days a week, Monday through Saturday, beginning at 1 pm et.

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« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2021, 07:48:00 pm »
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Every Trump supporter goes on trial this week, in what is probably the dumbest and most destructive thing Congress has ever done to this country.


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« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2021, 07:50:35 pm »
Why has no one put the constitutionality of this  "trial" before the Supreme Court???

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« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2021, 08:04:57 pm »
Why has no one put the constitutionality of this  "trial" before the Supreme Court???

Because.... they know (or suspect) that the USSC has been just as compromised as have most, if not every other, courts?  (just a guess)

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« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2021, 08:07:28 pm »
Democrats say Trump impeachment defense 'wholly without merit'

House Democrats on Monday categorically rejected the legal argument advanced by Donald Trump's defense team, dismissing claims that the former president bears no responsibility for last month's deadly attack on the Capitol.

In a legal brief filed by the nine Democratic impeachment managers, the lawmakers contend that Trump incited the mob of his supporters that carried out the Jan. 6 attack, and said Congress has every right to convict the former president to prevent him from holding high office again.

"The House states that each and every allegation in the Article of Impeachment is true, and that any affirmative defenses and legal defenses set forth in the Answer are wholly without merit," the managers wrote.

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« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2021, 10:29:57 pm »
Here is the smoking gun evidence to back impeachment of Donald Trump
By Allan Lichtman, opinion contributor — 02/08/21 10:00 AM EST


However, the smoking gun tweet came that evening but was later deleted. Trump wrote, “These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously and viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly and unfairly treated for so long. Go home with love and in peace. Remember this day forever!”

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« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2021, 10:44:48 pm »
Debasing the Constitution: Why Chief Justice Roberts is Not Presiding over Trump’s Impeachment Trial

As Donald Trump’s second impeachment trial begins today, not enough attention has been paid to the fact that Chief Justice Roberts will not be presiding.

Senate Democrat Richard Blumenthal, a lawyer, former federal prosecutor and member of the Judiciary Committee, believes the Chief Justice should preside.

Elizabeth Warren adopts the far more aggressive position that the Chief Justice must preside as part of “his constitutional duty.”  For good measure, she adds, “I can’t imagine why a Supreme Court justice would not do his duty.”

More  here:

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/02/debasing_the_constitution_why_chief_justice_roberts_is_not_presiding_over_trumps_impeachment_trial.html

I have to agree with Warren.  Roberts should come out and say that he won't preside, because impeaching a past president IS unconstitutional.  But Roberts isn't doing that., he's letting the trial continue without merit and without being constitutional. He isn't doing his darn job - as usual.
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« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2021, 02:49:57 am »
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Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment 2.0
« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2021, 05:39:43 am »
Debasing the Constitution: Why Chief Justice Roberts is Not Presiding over Trump’s Impeachment Trial

As Donald Trump’s second impeachment trial begins today, not enough attention has been paid to the fact that Chief Justice Roberts will not be presiding.

Senate Democrat Richard Blumenthal, a lawyer, former federal prosecutor and member of the Judiciary Committee, believes the Chief Justice should preside.

Elizabeth Warren adopts the far more aggressive position that the Chief Justice must preside as part of “his constitutional duty.”  For good measure, she adds, “I can’t imagine why a Supreme Court justice would not do his duty.”

More  here:

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/02/debasing_the_constitution_why_chief_justice_roberts_is_not_presiding_over_trumps_impeachment_trial.html
Roberts was among the seven who would not do their duty and examine the merits of the Texas suit (just to mention one instance), why would he start now?
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« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2021, 05:44:44 am »
IF the Democrats open this door.

If they are successful...

The ramifications for any POTUS, past or present are obvious.

Beijing Biden could be tried for treason if ever a Congress so inclined was sworn in.

Bill Clinton, and former office holder, and not just on criminal charges.

The precedent will have been set.  (Be careful what you wish for, Dems, you just might get it--and how!)
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« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2021, 05:45:06 am »
Roberts was among the seven who would not do their duty and examine the merits of the Texas suit (just to mention one instance), why would he start now?

He wouldn't.   Which tells me that the RL wants Leahy to preside.   And it's what the RL wants that counts.
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« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2021, 05:46:40 am »
He wouldn't.   Which tells me that the RL wants Leahy to preside.   And it's what the RL wants that counts.
Or what they don't want. Like ever facing a POTUS that would cause them discomfort for not doing their jobs again.
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« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2021, 08:05:04 am »
Here is the smoking gun evidence to back impeachment of Donald Trump
By Allan Lichtman, opinion contributor — 02/08/21 10:00 AM EST


However, the smoking gun tweet came that evening but was later deleted. Trump wrote, “These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously and viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly and unfairly treated for so long. Go home with love and in peace. Remember this day forever!”

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https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/537765-here-is-the-smoking-gun-evidence-to-back-impeachment-of-donald-trump

That tweet will prove to be a big problem for trump imo.

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« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2021, 02:17:15 pm »
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2nd impeachment trial of President Trump begins today. Impeachment article is incitement of insurrection. First question up in the Senate is whether the trial is Constitutional since Trump is no longer in office


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« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2021, 02:20:43 pm »
Apparently, this bullshit will continue for years ....

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From colleague Brooke Singman. Biden Admin wants acting DC US Atty Michael Sherwin to remain on board as some type of special prosecutor to oversee the Capitol riot probe


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