RNC Will Not Back Trump in Primary if He Runs Again, Will Stay Neutral

[skeeter]

Um... let's get something straight and clear here.    First of all...there was no way, no how, any 81 million votes 'for Biden'.   That's part of the sham, hoax and hence, election fraud.  (duh)

Secondly, if the compromised, leftist courts claimed he (we) had 'no standing' after the election theft....what the hell do you think they would have said BEFORE the election theft had even occurred (another duh).

Seriously... you guys on the other side really need to engage your brain for a refreshing change.   Just sayin....

I cannot for the life of me understand why any republican/conservative/non-democrat would be so anxious for everyone to swallow last election's obvious fraud.

Forget about Trump for a moment - its not as though the rats haven't been cheating since Hitler was a corporal.

[XenaLee]

I cannot for the life of me understand why any republican/conservative/non-democrat would be so anxious for everyone to swallow last election's obvious fraud.

Forget about Trump for a moment - its not as though the rats haven't been cheating since Hitler was a corporal.

In my logic book, I am forced to conclude that they are not on our side.   Therefore, they are on our enemy's side.

[Wingnut]

Do you really think 81 million Biden voters would allow Trump to be sworn in, based upon complaints about rule changes and speculation about their effects?  If Trump had a problem with it, he should have done something before the election.  Instead he whined on Twitter, ignored the riots, blew the debate, and totally botched the pandemic PR battle.  The RNC has no obligation to carry this guy's water.

Ahh, but the tweets, that's... that's where cato had them. They laughed at you and made jokes but you proved beyond the shadow of a doubt and with... geometric logic... that the tweets are why the RNC needs to disavow any knowledge of Trump and I guess you know now they are only trying to protect some fellow GOPer's...

[Right_in_Virginia]

I don't know what national-level Rs could have done after election day that actually would have changed the outcome.  State level Rs in numerous states joined the Paxton challenge to Pennsylvania but we know SCOTUS punted on first down with the ball in scoring territory; state level Rs in Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, etc, should have been much more assertive within their states to reject certification or de-certify.  But on the national level, without a majority in the US HoR they were never going to challenge successfully any EVs.  And the idea that Pence should have asserted authority to reject state-certified EVs would simply empower Harris, or her appointed VP, to do the same in 2024.

@HoustonSam   I want to believe you, but to do this I have to believe you're completely uninformed.  I can't do this because I know the information that has been posted and remains in the Election 2020 section of the Forum that painstakingly presents what was being done --- or put another way  --- what the GOP (Congress) and RNC chose not to support.

Even Jan 6 offered a time out for the much demanded vote audit in five states.  Pence had letters from members of the statehouses in three of these states outlining their fraud concerns and asking, outright asking, the Vice President to give the statehouses the opportunity to review the votes in their respective states and recertify, if required.  Pence turned his back on the states, the President and the 75+ million voters who legally gave the President his second term.

Without the vocal, financial and legal support of the GOP and RNC, there was an opposition of one man, working alone with the courts and the states, yet again.
 
By denying support the GOP and RNC broadcast to the democrats and the courts that there was no opposition to the theft; confirming they were, indeed, driving the getaway car.

[HoustonSam]

Were you laughing your ass off when you typed this   ?  @HoustonSam

No @Right_in_Virginia, I'm not laughing.  I don't see anything here to laugh about.

Not defensible?  Did the RNC fight for its winning candidate?  Did the RNC fight for its members?

Please tell me exactly what the RNC should have done.  I don't mean generically "fight", I mean what specific actions should have been taken by whom in the RNC on which day to change the election outcome.

Has the RNC leadership glomed onto the Marxist bullshit that Jan 6 was an insurrection instigated by their President and his supporters an army of law-breaking rioters?

Here's what Ronna McDaniel actually said, per this link  https://www.abc27.com/news/us-world/politics/rnc-chairwoman-mcdaniel-releases-statement-condemning-capitol-insurrection/  :

"What I’m about to tell you is of the utmost importance.

Violence has no place in our politics. Period. I wholly condemned last week’s senseless acts of violence, and I strongly reiterate the calls to remain peaceful in the weeks ahead. 

Those who partook in the assault on our nation’s Capitol and those who continue to threaten violence should be found, held accountable, and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Let me be clear: Anyone who has malicious intent is not welcome in Washington, D.C. or in any other State Capitol Building.

The peaceful transition of power is one of our nation’s founding principles and is necessary for our country to move forward. Now is the time to come together as one nation, united in the peaceful pursuit of our common democratic purpose.

Our Founding Fathers established a Nation of laws, not a Nation of anarchy. And, the Republican Party is the Party of individual freedom, liberty, entrepreneurship, innovation, and the American Dream, not the hateful violence we witnessed last week.

God bless you and God bless the United States of America."

I don't see anything here about Trump or Trump supporters.

Is part of the RNC pushing to censure the former President and include a ruling that he cannot hold public office again --- so that they can move quickly to unifying with the Marxists?

I haven't found anything about the RNC supporting any move to censure Trump.  I do know that half-a-dozen House Rs introduced such a motion about a week after the Capitol demonstration.  Now you can argue that half-a-dozen are representative of 200-some-odd Rs in the US HoR and 50 in the US Senate, and representative of all the R establishment everywhere, but you'll lose that argument.

Is the woman in the Republican #3 leadership position still supporting the conviction of the former President ... and is the gentleman in the #1 leadership position fighting to convince GOP members she's fit to keep her leadership position?

What is the party affiliation of the 115 US HoR members who have signed a petition to remove her from her caucus position?  For what it's worth, I find her support for impeachment inexcusable, I hope she is removed from her caucus position, and I hope she gets primaired, or better yet, re-called.

"Not defensible" --- buy a clue or better spin doctors.  The RNC/GOP has thrown out the baby with the bathwater, they've jumped the shark, they're critically bleeding from self-inflicted wounds.

And what is the party affiliation of the 45 US Senators who voted that Impeachment 2.0 is unconstitutional?

One way or the other, your GOP/RNC is over.  You've not only thrown away your North Star --- but your members, as well.

Get thee behind us.

It's not my GOP/RNC and not my members, and Trump was never my North Star.  I don't join personality cults and bandwagons.

There is plenty to criticize about the GOP establishment, including failure to highlight the obvious fraudulent events in the election, the rush to blame Trump for the Capitol demonstration, their continued butt-hurt refusal to learn from him, and long-term failure in effectively challenging the D platform.  But suicide banzai charges and ideological purity oaths don't win wars; if they did Japan and Germany would have triumphed in 45.  If you want Trump as your North Star that's your right, but when you repeatedly insist that *everyone else* is due south, you're going to find yourself in a very small group.  The only people who *are* standing up for Trump are Rs, and the best thing for the country, the R party, and Trump is to find ways to cooperate with all those Rs.

You have tremendous spirit, energy, and belief; if I'm ever in serious trouble I hope I'll have a friend as loyal and enterprising as you.  Those Rs need people like you, but they can't learn from you if you continue to define them as the enemy.

[libertybele]

Do you really think 81 million Biden voters would allow Trump to be sworn in, based upon complaints about rule changes and speculation about their effects?  If Trump had a problem with it, he should have done something before the election.  Instead he whined on Twitter, ignored the riots, blew the debate, and totally botched the pandemic PR battle.  The RNC has no obligation to carry this guy's water.

Bullcrap.  In 2018 there were several states that saw massive fraud and corruption and good ole Ronna should have had poll workers, poll watchers, people check out the integrity of the voting machines, etc,. in at least ALL battleground states. No, instead the bimbo sat and reported the stats of Trump's rallies which didn't do a darn bit of good.

Ultimately it is the duty of the state's AG to ensure election integrity -- but Ronna should have had people in place to ensure their duties were carried out.

You sure have a much different perspective, Trump absolutely shined as far as battling the pandemic PR battle; he put the liberal news idiots in their place numerous times and Sloe Joe's debate performance wasn't exactly stellar.

I do agree that Trump didn't do enough to quell the riots and should have done so as soon as they erupted; that IMHO was a political maneuver that failed and we are still feeling the ramifications.

[XenaLee]

@HoustonSam   I want to believe you, but to do this I have to believe you're completely uninformed.  I can't do this because I know the information that has been posted and remains in the Election 2020 section of the Forum that painstakingly presents what was being done --- or put another way  --- what the GOP (Congress) and RNC chose not to support.

Even Jan 6 offered a time out for the much demanded vote audit in five states.  Pence had letters from members of the statehouses in three of these states outlining their fraud concerns and asking, outright asking, the Vice President to give the statehouses the opportunity to review the votes in their respective states and recertify, if required.  Pence turned his back on the states, the President and the 75+ million voters who legally gave the President his second term.

Without the vocal, financial and legal support of the GOP and RNC, there was an opposition of one man, working alone with the courts and the states, yet again.
 
By denying support the GOP and RNC broadcast to the democrats and the courts that there was no opposition to the theft; confirming they were, indeed, driving the getaway car.

Exactly.   Well-stated.

[Cyber Liberty]

@Right_in_Virginia If I thought the GOP was doomed, I probably would not have run and gotten elected to the County GOP Executive Board.   

[XenaLee]

@Right_in_Virginia If I thought the GOP was doomed, I probably would not have run and gotten elected to the County GOP Executive Board.   

Don't worry.   Right now, emotions are running high against the GOP traitors. 

Things change.   Just keep working from within to make a difference.   It's what good patriots do.   

[Cyber Liberty]

Don't worry.   Right now, emotions are running high against the GOP traitors. 

Things change.   Just keep working from within to make a difference.   It's what good patriots do.   

Probably the best I can do from my Castle perch, although I venture out now to go to things like the State Committeemen Meetings in Phoenix....

[catfish1957]

Don't worry.   Right now, emotions are running high against the GOP traitors. 

Things change.   Just keep working from within to make a difference.   It's what good patriots do.   

I see it as the score as 45 to 5 in the senate.  There are ways to deal with these pariahs, including committee membership, and primary challenges.   

Now on the House side.  There needs to be a 100% 24/7 full frontal assualt to remove Liz Cheney. (1) Strip her of leadership position, and (2)  Zero committe memberships (3) Concerted effort to find a primary opponent in WY which will be guarnteeed to throw her to the curb.

She's screwed the pooch as far as I am concerned. She has GOT TO GO.

[Cyber Liberty]

I see it as the score as 45 to 5 in the senate.  There are ways to deal with these pariahs, including committee membership, and primary challenges.   

Now on the House side.  There needs to be a 100% 24/7 full frontal assualt to remove Liz Cheney. (1) Strip her of leadership position, and (2)  Zero committe memberships (3) Concerted effort to find a primary opponent in WY which will be guarnteeed to throw her to the curb.

She's screwed the pooch as far as I am concerned. She has GOT TO GO.

Supposedly McCarthy is going to talk to Trump in Florida.  I imagine this will be the main topic of discussion.  McCarthy is refusing to punish any of the 10 traitors in our midst.

[HoustonSam]

Even Jan 6 offered a time out for the much demanded vote audit in five states.  Pence had letters from members of the statehouses in three of these states outlining their fraud concerns and asking, outright asking, the Vice President to give the statehouses the opportunity to review the votes in their respective states and recertify, if required.  Pence turned his back on the states, the President and the 75+ million voters who legally gave the President his second term.

I've made it as clear as I know how to make it that Pence unilaterally rejecting state-certified EVs would be a very bad idea.  I know fully well you *do* understand that precedent would have empowered Harris or another D VP to reject state-certified R EVs anytime D state legislators sent in objections scribbled in crayon on a wet napkin.

Without the vocal, financial and legal support of the GOP and RNC, there was an opposition of one man, working alone with the courts and the states, yet again.
 
By denying support the GOP and RNC broadcast to the democrats and the courts that there was no opposition to the theft; confirming they were, indeed, driving the getaway car.

Are you arguing that the election challenges failed in court because they were inadequately funded?  Multiple sources have reported that Trump raised nearly $200 million in the month after election day, with the large majority of that paying campaign debt and funding a PAC to support a yet-undefined political future : additional campaigns or a third party.  Plenty of money flowed in during November alone.

Or are you arguing that the courts would have decided differently if the RNC had assigned legal counsel or asked to be added as a petitioner or had perhaps called press conferences or taken out advertisements in newspapers?  What *exactly* should the RNC have done differently and *exactly* which court case would have been changed as a result?

[HoustonSam]

I see it as the score as 45 to 5 in the senate.  There are ways to deal with these pariahs, including committee membership, and primary challenges.   

Now on the House side.  There needs to be a 100% 24/7 full frontal assualt to remove Liz Cheney. (1) Strip her of leadership position, and (2)  Zero committe memberships (3) Concerted effort to find a primary opponent in WY which will be guarnteeed to throw her to the curb.

She's screwed the pooch as far as I am concerned. She has GOT TO GO.

Bigly.  Any Rs who have *actively opposed* Trump must go, immediately.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Do you really think 81 million Biden voters would allow Trump to be sworn in, based upon complaints about rule changes and speculation about their effects?  If Trump had a problem with it, he should have done something before the election.  Instead he whined on Twitter, ignored the riots, blew the debate, and totally botched the pandemic PR battle.  The RNC has no obligation to carry this guy's water.

Do you honestly believe there were 81 million voters for Biden?

That is an unbelievable stretch.

[XenaLee]

Probably the best I can do from my Castle perch, although I venture out now to go to things like the State Committeemen Meetings in Phoenix....

It's good experience, also.   Building your resume/creds.   And if there does turn out to be another successful (3rd) party in our future, they will need experienced patriots to work within it, as well. 

[XenaLee]

Do you honestly believe there were 81 million voters for Biden?

That is an unbelievable stretch.

For those that hate Trump, it's a stretch they are only too willing to make.   They want it to be true.

[Cyber Liberty]

It's good experience, also.   Building your resume/creds.   And if there does turn out to be another successful (3rd) party in our future, they will need experienced patriots to work within it, as well.

My leverage has changed a bit.  A month ago, a Precinct or State Committeeman resigning and joining a new party would not have gotten a mention in the paper.  Having a Vice Chairman of a County Party punch out might bug them a bit.

(To be clear, I have no intention to do so at all, although the State Party is trying to pizz me off!)

[XenaLee]

My leverage has changed a bit.  A month ago, a Precinct or State Committeeman resigning and joining a new party would not have gotten a mention in the paper.  Having a Vice Chairman of a County Party punch out might bug them a bit.

(To be clear, I have no intention to do so at all, although the State Party is trying to pizz me off!)

Like I said.... things change.   You never know (never say never) what's around the bend.   

[berdie]

No @Right_in_Virginia, I'm not laughing.  I don't see anything here to laugh about.Please tell me exactly what the RNC should have done.  I don't mean generically "fight", I mean what specific actions should have been taken by whom in the RNC on which day to change the election outcome.Here's what Ronna McDaniel actually said, per this link  https://www.abc27.com/news/us-world/politics/rnc-chairwoman-mcdaniel-releases-statement-condemning-capitol-insurrection/  :

"What I’m about to tell you is of the utmost importance.

Violence has no place in our politics. Period. I wholly condemned last week’s senseless acts of violence, and I strongly reiterate the calls to remain peaceful in the weeks ahead. 

Those who partook in the assault on our nation’s Capitol and those who continue to threaten violence should be found, held accountable, and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Let me be clear: Anyone who has malicious intent is not welcome in Washington, D.C. or in any other State Capitol Building.

The peaceful transition of power is one of our nation’s founding principles and is necessary for our country to move forward. Now is the time to come together as one nation, united in the peaceful pursuit of our common democratic purpose.

Our Founding Fathers established a Nation of laws, not a Nation of anarchy. And, the Republican Party is the Party of individual freedom, liberty, entrepreneurship, innovation, and the American Dream, not the hateful violence we witnessed last week.

God bless you and God bless the United States of America."

I don't see anything here about Trump or Trump supporters.I haven't found anything about the RNC supporting any move to censure Trump.  I do know that half-a-dozen House Rs introduced such a motion about a week after the Capitol demonstration.  Now you can argue that half-a-dozen are representative of 200-some-odd Rs in the US HoR and 50 in the US Senate, and representative of all the R establishment everywhere, but you'll lose that argument.What is the party affiliation of the 115 US HoR members who have signed a petition to remove her from her caucus position?  For what it's worth, I find her support for impeachment inexcusable, I hope she is removed from her caucus position, and I hope she gets primaired, or better yet, re-called.And what is the party affiliation of the 45 US Senators who voted that Impeachment 2.0 is unconstitutional?
It's not my GOP/RNC and not my members, and Trump was never my North Star.  I don't join personality cults and bandwagons.

There is plenty to criticize about the GOP establishment, including failure to highlight the obvious fraudulent events in the election, the rush to blame Trump for the Capitol demonstration, their continued butt-hurt refusal to learn from him, and long-term failure in effectively challenging the D platform.  But suicide banzai charges and ideological purity oaths don't win wars; if they did Japan and Germany would have triumphed in 45.  If you want Trump as your North Star that's your right, but when you repeatedly insist that *everyone else* is due south, you're going to find yourself in a very small group.  The only people who *are* standing up for Trump are Rs, and the best thing for the country, the R party, and Trump is to find ways to cooperate with all those Rs.

You have tremendous spirit, energy, and belief; if I'm ever in serious trouble I hope I'll have a friend as loyal and enterprising as you.  Those Rs need people like you, but they can't learn from you if you continue to define them as the enemy.

@HoustonSam I have read a lot of posts on this board that have made me laugh, made me want to pull my hair out and thought were totally on/off point. I'm not often moved to respond.
Your post is brilliant, pragmatic and reflects my own thoughts. Well done, sir, well done.

[christian]

The argument was put forth that violence has no place in politics, then directed at jan 6th where Patriots and Conservatives, even Republicans were blamed.  Note how the 8 months of violence upon defenseless citizens and cities burning was ignored.  This is focusing on blaming the Right and giving a pass to the left who were in bed with the rioter across the land.  The left is trying to project a false image/accusations again.
The con is here, right in your face, you just have to make a more than superficial look to see it.  They want you to disregard the facts that are known and believe their deceiving mouths instead.

[christian]

XenaLee:
Lol!!!   Oh, come on, christian.   Stop beating around the bush.  Don't mince words.

Tell us how ya really feel!

christian:
The shrinking violet image can be a tough one to shed, yah, know!

[HoustonSam]

@HoustonSam I have read a lot of posts on this board that have made me laugh, made me want to pull my hair out and thought were totally on/off point. I'm not often moved to respond.
Your post is brilliant, pragmatic and reflects my own thoughts. Well done, sir, well done.

Thank you @berdie.

[XenaLee]

christian:
The shrinking violet image can be a tough one to shed, yah, know!

Why yes... I know quite well.    We shrinking violets must, therefore, stick together.   

[Right_in_Virginia]

@Right_in_Virginia If I thought the GOP was doomed, I probably would not have run and gotten elected to the County GOP Executive Board.   

I get it @Cyber Liberty ... you've gone out and done a very good thing.  Kudos and congratulations.

But this doesn't change the position the GOP/RNC is in with its members .... We've had enough of being told neither we nor our President matter(ed).  Truly, enough.  Don't count on the majority of us any more. (Speaking nationally, not specifically your county in Arizona, although you'd do well to keep an eye on this.)