Author Topic: John Brennan: Biden Intelligence Agencies To Investigate Pro-Trump ‘Bigots’ And ‘Libertarians’  (Read 2306 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline christian

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5,413
  • Gender: Male
  • I need to be in love, K.c. R.C.
Where did my accusers and their facts go?  They were so certain of their 'facts'.  The con worked!

The worst thing a ____ can do is get his way.
« Last Edit: January 25, 2021, 06:57:39 pm by christian »
Card carrying member of the national F-Joe Biden movement, and his minions

Offline Mesaclone

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3,407
Thanks for that. It means more coming from an opponent than from my own... And like-in-kind: We ain't as cross-threaded as we seem to be.

Well in the first place : it is working for the Democrats. They are winning on every front, and they serve their most extreme in lockstep. No one among them is calling for compromise. No mealy-mouthed need to eschew their basic values for popularity's sake... They got the balls to the wood all the time.

And no... I am fine with differences. I recognize factional conservatism... And I am fine with compromise, beyond the principled framework.

And your statement has a philosophical discontinuity - You are basically saying that SOME principles (truths) can be sacrificed in the service of unity... That is dissonance itself, and a rabbit trail that should be followed to it's end, just for giggles.

Rejected outright. If Republicans actually performed according to their promises (which are all always conservative on the stump) there would be no worry getting elected. Conservatism has worked every time it's tried. Every major movement of the right has been Conservative - In the 90's the talk was always about whether a candidate could harness the the three factions of Conservatism to bring forth the Conservative juggernaut - And the only time Republicans have done anything is when that juggernaut moves.

And it can be done - After all, Democrats seem to be able to perform.
Burn the damn big circus tent down, and fill the Congress with true believers. see what happens next.

Not when the 'most conservative that can win' is a McCain't or a Romulus... Or a NYC liberal...  :whistle:

Couldn't agree more with the bolded section.

And I'm NOT saying some principles can be sacrificed...I AM saying that "if we don't bend a little, we'll most certainly break". The issue that separates you and I is not issues based...its strategic approach. I will no more tolerate a RINO than will you...I'm disgusted by the McCain-Romney-Bush Axis...but the GOP can no longer win if it ONLY attracts the religious right and hard core fiscal conservatives. We MUST have something to offer to the blue collar Joe breaking rock and smelting steel...Trump understood this...that's why the focus on rolling back regulations and dropping corporate taxes to launch industry upward and forward.

As you can see...Trump's pro-industry/pro-worker policy is already being shut down by the Dems (SD pipeline, restoring regs, raising corporate and industry taxes, etcetera). They are desperate to undo his success in this area. The Left is terrified of this aspect of Trumpism...stark raving terrified...for good reason. They hate Trump because they think they should OWN the working man (and woman)...and Trump gained the allegiance of the old working stiff Reagan Dems.

Union loyalty...the great bastion of Dem voting and monetary support for many decades...has been wavering. That makes them shit their pants...and they know they have a "left, enviro wacko" problem that is pushing the Unions away from the Dem party...we have to keep driving the wedge in harder and harder and Trump has been a master at doing so. We need more of that because THAT is the bloc we MUST win if we are to beat the Dems in a national election.
We have the best government that money can buy. Mark Twain

Offline christian

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5,413
  • Gender: Male
  • I need to be in love, K.c. R.C.
All that matters is the evil Trump was defeated, the rest of course, is non-judgmental.  Just ask ANY democrat or Rep RINO !  The denial beggars the imagination !

If only Trump could have gotten such support, instead of Biden, eh?  Curse Trump, give Biden a pass, where could that have gone wrong? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
Oh yeah, bawl convincingly about the outcome!
 :silly: :silly: :silly: :rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :silly: :silly: :silly: :yowsa:
« Last Edit: January 26, 2021, 12:23:58 am by christian »
Card carrying member of the national F-Joe Biden movement, and his minions

Online roamer_1

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 44,448
Couldn't agree more with the bolded section.


And I know that. but your line of acceptance is to the left (understand I am saying 'toward center') of mine.

Quote
And I'm NOT saying some principles can be sacrificed...I AM saying that "if we don't bend a little, we'll most certainly break".

Well yes, it seems you are. 'Bending a little' to me would be a mostly balanced budget that was maybe a half a billion off.... That guy is alright. That guy tried, and mostly hit his marks, and can lay claim to doing better in his next administration. That guy - though the 'miss' is grievous (grievous, I say), could probably win my vote. I am not unbending. I could provide a reasonable answer to my fiscally oriented brothers, who would be profoundly offended... And offer a balm.

But trillions - Feel that: Friggin ~trillions!~ off - And at that, not a few... 10s of trillions of dollars sideways IS SURELY sacrificing principle. There ain't no two ways about it. I dwell on the fiscal  conservatism because it is so very undeniable. There can be no justification. This is nothing short of an horrendous breach of faith. EVERY SOB that made that happen deserves massive consequences. You should not merely be pissed about that. You should be enraged. Every single damn Republican that let that happen should be *gone* at the earliest convenience. Understand me: Political heads need to roll.

But that's not where you seem to be.

So own that. Admit you are OK with throwing SOME principles away, and you are OK with throwing fiscal conservatives right under the bus. Admit that you are alright with feeding the beast, and that in feeding it, propose to control it better than the democrats...

Because that is how it looks when you are talking to me. And I will not lend that my endorsement. By a long, long way. That examples why little compromise exists until AFTER we are standing in the framework provided by the principle things of ALL the factions.

Quote
The issue that separates you and I is not issues based...its strategic approach.

Oh, yes it is... AND strategic approach thereafter... The wounding is in the endorsement of an utter breach of principle. And in that, weakening further the only coalition that matters. Understand that:
That is no different than any other RINO-hyphenated 'conservatism'. It is merely the one tolerable 'to you'.

The very point of the spear of political conservatism is the Conservative Coalition, and the very tip of the point of that spear is the vow to uphold each other between the factions. IN FACT your claim at least intends to abridge that vow. That vow cannot be abridged and still maintain the coalition. That vow, in its function must needs be sacrosanct.

IF you are Conservative, you MUST keep that word, laid down in Reagan and Goldwater... Or Conservatism means literally nothing at all.

This is no small thing. This is not a thing to 'bend'.

Quote
I will no more tolerate a RINO than will you...I'm disgusted by the McCain-Romney-Bush Axis...but the GOP can no longer win if it ONLY attracts the religious right and hard core fiscal conservatives. We MUST have something to offer to the blue collar Joe breaking rock and smelting steel...Trump understood this...that's why the focus on rolling back regulations and dropping corporate taxes to launch industry upward and forward.

Well yes and no - What Republican president DIDN'T cut taxes while refusing to cut spending. It looks like typical candy from the front of the parade to me.

And you can appeal to joe-six pack *just fine* balancing the damn checkbook the same way he has to at his kitchen table every night. The Folks appreciate the truth. Someone who will stand up and say, "We just flat ain't got the money for all this shit." Every damn person that pays his bills would perk up and pay attention to that.

And I am *for* Tumpy's elimination of regulation, as far as it went... But he barely scratched the surface. Some wee credit? Sure. Jumping up and down happy? Not even close. More of a 'meh'.

Quote
As you can see...Trump's pro-industry/pro-worker policy is already being shut down by the Dems (SD pipeline, restoring regs, raising corporate and industry taxes, etcetera). They are desperate to undo his success in this area. The Left is terrified of this aspect of Trumpism...stark raving terrified...for good reason. They hate Trump because they think they should OWN the working man (and woman)...and Trump gained the allegiance of the old working stiff Reagan Dems.

Well that's like interpretive dance... while reading tea leaves. I CAN say the same damn thing happened at the end of *every* Republican president's reign. Every Republican president is hated with unmatched fury... Every EO gets overturned. That is why I am utterly unimpressed with presidents that rule by EO.

Who KNOWS why they're pissed. Even THEY don't know why they're pissed. They hate everything. Add to that Tumpy's unmatched ability to piss anybody off, and it ain't hard to see why they are white-hot apoplectic...

Quote
Union loyalty...the great bastion of Dem voting and monetary support for many decades...has been wavering. That makes them shit their pants...and they know they have a "left, enviro wacko" problem that is pushing the Unions away from the Dem party...we have to keep driving the wedge in harder and harder and Trump has been a master at doing so. We need more of that because THAT is the bloc we MUST win if we are to beat the Dems in a national election.

Fine. Then speak to them without breaking your oath to Conservatism. Because gaining unions and losing Conservatives is a net loss, I will guarantee you. Y'all are so very far away from being welcoming to me and mine that I can say with fair conviction that I will never again call myself a Republican, and I will never again call the Republican party the home of Conservatism.

That ain't a guarantee... But it's getting there.

Online roamer_1

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 44,448
:yowsa: That right there is just plain fact @Hoodat!

You can make that 72 years in my case.  We no longer have to worry about our survival as a nation though as it died once and for all on December 11, 2020.

 :beer:

Offline christian

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5,413
  • Gender: Male
  • I need to be in love, K.c. R.C.
A liberal happy ending story,........and not a clue in sight!  Denial IS the answer !  Pay attention clueless dolts !
Well let the people have their way, they are the ones that are going to pay for it.  :reaper: Don't attempt to save a person, that afterward will try and kill you or sue you for saving them. That is of course a fools errand.

There is a god at the briefing room,do not profane or blaspheme!
 :beer: :smokin: :beer:
« Last Edit: January 26, 2021, 12:35:22 pm by christian »
Card carrying member of the national F-Joe Biden movement, and his minions