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Re: Trump supporters organized the Capitol riot online
« Reply #50 on: January 11, 2021, 03:23:24 pm »
The way things are going with the left ramping up their crusade against opposition I have to wonder if leaving social media won't end up being a blessing in disguise.

You know, I think you may be onto something there. I’ve seen several pundits discuss how social media is a destructive and unhealthy force in our society and is particularly damaging to our kids. Especially Twitter, which has become a virtual cesspool of hate.

BTW, one of the nice things about Parler is that they don’t allow anonymous accounts. They also provide the ability to downvote a post. I think these two things give them some extra tools to get rid of the truly abusive - trolls and those looking to hurt others - while still allowing free speech.
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Re: Trump supporters organized the Capitol riot online
« Reply #51 on: January 11, 2021, 03:29:44 pm »
You know, I think you may be onto something there. I’ve seen several pundits discuss how social media is a destructive and unhealthy force in our society and is particularly damaging to our kids. Especially Twitter, which has become a virtual cesspool of hate.
And not forgetting what goes on the internet stays on the internet, or somewhere, for possible future reference. The left seems determined to remove opposition from society, corporate America seems to agree.
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Re: Trump supporters organized the Capitol riot online
« Reply #52 on: January 11, 2021, 03:39:22 pm »
I don’t agree with that at all. Parler isn’t some rinky-dink little web site. The nature of both Twitter and Parler makes it quite challenging to scale up to many users. You can’t get away with a simple single database back end fronted by some app servers. Parler was using “hundreds of servers”, and they were already struggling to scale.

Right - But Amazon ain't the only data farm on the planet, believe it or not. They'll find a place to land, and soon.

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Also don’t discount that Amazon gave them 24 hours to move including migrating their data. They could have easily made them take it offline but allowed them to retain the data until they were able to migrate. By doing it this way they (legally, IMHO) made a big mistake, and I would expect a lawsuit to prevail despite whatever ToS they have. Also a big factor that those arrested in DC weren’t Parler users.

Oh I entirely agree with that. There likely will be a lawsuit, and it will be settled rather than fought. Amazon would lose bigtime.

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« Reply #53 on: January 11, 2021, 04:04:21 pm »
TBR still has a live feed going to twitter and facebook....I maybe asking for trouble keeping them up..I want to remain a lifeline for conservatives looking for a home.

Unfortunately, the way things are going, Twitter and Facebook may remove the links to them for you...

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Re: Trump supporters organized the Capitol riot online
« Reply #54 on: January 11, 2021, 04:25:35 pm »
Right - But Amazon ain't the only data farm on the planet, believe it or not. They'll find a place to land, and soon.

Oh I entirely agree with that. There likely will be a lawsuit, and it will be settled rather than fought. Amazon would lose bigtime.

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Since you seem to be a net-guru.....how on earth could anyone use the data (breached) at this  link?   It looks like .txt files with nothing anyone could link to a Parler user.   For instance... how could I find MY info there, if looking for it...?    :whistle:

https://donk.sh/06d639b2-0252-4b1e-883b-f275eff7e792/?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=ffe8359751bb34a8db577a3cc765001f2cba698d-1610381833-0-ATYXwLWAQUMnGyGU9nMV7TQf3QJ7rFHqJcSr0HAMeJqLRbevoem3K7nqxSRj-IKVOKyUHexZDW0ljWGABWiWpl8ZxrIaGD3U41EuX_b0SphGCY8yjh0eh1myHSelZjPt38GUG8PvZWZpvXxTswVp0YeU5NGyAxVhyTW0LLED1uexDSaXmBPXkx34OHjiS83JBhmWFm8_2bjiHKPLOMb0CxiRWapsZr6hA6yD0y4cdRqKizBy_wfzfzEXfujZ11WrApUVg2-6e9HJHTjujXd9d49pDBd2uaf92_JuAGyEcHzckRw4XNfKrj1IkLQTlv_9O7tvbQWRqfAaB3MK0PRrH8SNv4ERIBnJ3lm-qj5uz6Ef

posted from this Twit-diot on Twitter....


https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1347896132798533632
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Re: Trump supporters organized the Capitol riot online
« Reply #55 on: January 11, 2021, 05:09:51 pm »
Right - But Amazon ain't the only data farm on the planet, believe it or not. They'll find a place to land, and soon.

Oh I entirely agree with that. There likely will be a lawsuit, and it will be settled rather than fought. Amazon would lose bigtime.

I work for one of the three big cloud vendors. There are three of them. All three have turned down Parler. There are a lot of services beyond storage, and it is easy when you build your service to end up with a strong dependency on your chosen vendor’s platform. It may be quite challenging for them to migrate, even if they do find a home soon.

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Re: Trump supporters organized the Capitol riot online
« Reply #56 on: January 11, 2021, 05:22:30 pm »
Read this great statement from Epik, the domain provider for Gab:

https://www.epik.com/blog/parlerstatement

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Re: Trump supporters organized the Capitol riot online
« Reply #57 on: January 11, 2021, 05:26:24 pm »
Read this great statement from Epik, the domain provider for Gab:

https://www.epik.com/blog/parlerstatement

Saw that on TOS just now.   How do you interpret it?
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Re: Trump supporters organized the Capitol riot online
« Reply #58 on: January 11, 2021, 05:40:14 pm »
Saw that on TOS just now.   How do you interpret it?

I thought it was 100% spot on. Very well written, too.

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Re: Trump supporters organized the Capitol riot online
« Reply #59 on: January 11, 2021, 07:48:27 pm »
Well,  there was the additional component of sedition encouraged by the President of the United States.
Facts and what you say are completely two different things.
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Re: Trump supporters organized the Capitol riot online
« Reply #60 on: January 12, 2021, 12:57:12 am »
Facts and what you say are completely two different things.

Well, sedition DID occur.  What in your view went wrong?   
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Re: Trump supporters organized the Capitol riot online
« Reply #61 on: January 12, 2021, 01:04:58 am »
Well, sedition DID occur. 
PROVE IT. You've been asked a dozen times today to provide a quote.

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Re: Trump supporters organized the Capitol riot online
« Reply #62 on: January 12, 2021, 01:19:44 am »
PROVE IT. You've been asked a dozen times today to provide a quote.

An attack on the Capitol did occur,  with Congress in session.   Rioters were screaming for the head of the Vice President. 

Why cannot you acknowledge that this was sedition?   
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Re: Trump supporters organized the Capitol riot online
« Reply #63 on: January 12, 2021, 01:21:34 am »
Facts and what you say are completely two different things.

So you, too, claim this was not sedition?   
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Re: Trump supporters organized the Capitol riot online
« Reply #64 on: January 12, 2021, 02:51:25 am »
The nation saw it happen before its eyes.  Did you see the footage of the police officer screaming as he was nearly crushed to death?

It is time for patriotic Trump supporters to do the difficult thing and separate yourselves from the man.
Where was Donald Trump? How can you even begin to say he is responsible for the actions of others??
At no time did Trump say "Invade the Capitol". Instead, his calls for Peace, and for the protesters to stand down were removed by Twitter, YouTube, and Facebook. 

Since when do media people decide to censor the account of the President of the United States? Getting more than a mite uppity, these Communists.

Next, we can maybe try police officers for burning Lake Street in Minneapolis?
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Re: Trump supporters organized the Capitol riot online
« Reply #65 on: January 12, 2021, 05:14:54 am »
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Since you seem to be a net-guru.....how on earth could anyone use the data (breached) at this  link?   It looks like .txt files with nothing anyone could link to a Parler user.   For instance... how could I find MY info there, if looking for it...?    :whistle:

https://donk.sh/06d639b2-0252-4b1e-883b-f275eff7e792/?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=ffe8359751bb34a8db577a3cc765001f2cba698d-1610381833-0-ATYXwLWAQUMnGyGU9nMV7TQf3QJ7rFHqJcSr0HAMeJqLRbevoem3K7nqxSRj-IKVOKyUHexZDW0ljWGABWiWpl8ZxrIaGD3U41EuX_b0SphGCY8yjh0eh1myHSelZjPt38GUG8PvZWZpvXxTswVp0YeU5NGyAxVhyTW0LLED1uexDSaXmBPXkx34OHjiS83JBhmWFm8_2bjiHKPLOMb0CxiRWapsZr6hA6yD0y4cdRqKizBy_wfzfzEXfujZ11WrApUVg2-6e9HJHTjujXd9d49pDBd2uaf92_JuAGyEcHzckRw4XNfKrj1IkLQTlv_9O7tvbQWRqfAaB3MK0PRrH8SNv4ERIBnJ3lm-qj5uz6Ef

posted from this Twit-diot on Twitter....


https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1347896132798533632

Point in fact: I am no 'net-guru'... My skills in that regard were laid low by certain law enforcement entities many years ago, which I escaped with but a little blood and the skin of my tooth... Hence my retreat into hacking only that which I have my hands laid upon... Mostly legally.

As to your question though - I got to a text message that said 'That's all Folks', and otherwise have not been able to get on the donk server... So I don't know what you are getting at.

But I can say that everything you do can necessarily and natively be tracked online. How you get a page of any kind downloaded to your device is by request. That is you clicking a link thingy or something... And in order for that request to be honored, of course the site needs to know which computer made the request... So if you are on your phone (which is uniquely identified as a matter of course), or on your computer at home (which is uniquely, albeit passively identified by your ISP), finding out who you are is not all that hard.

Nothing is natively private online. Nothing. The ONLY way you are really anonymous is on a burn phone or on a specifically prepared laptop that has never been used in conjunction with your name or location. If I have to practice my previously held arts (as is my wont from time to time) I do it from an aliased laptop that has never been turned on anywhere near my actual residence.

Hope that helps.  :laugh:

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Re: Trump supporters organized the Capitol riot online
« Reply #66 on: January 12, 2021, 05:20:44 am »
I work for one of the three big cloud vendors. There are three of them. All three have turned down Parler. There are a lot of services beyond storage, and it is easy when you build your service to end up with a strong dependency on your chosen vendor’s platform. It may be quite challenging for them to migrate, even if they do find a home soon.

I can't say where I read it, perhaps in the Parler CEO statement, but they (Parler) have said they were worried about such a circumstance from the get-go, and thus their whole system was scratch-built, and not reliant upon server services - Or at least that is the impression I got from it. Thus my intention in saying all they need is a place to park it.  :shrug:

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Re: Trump supporters organized the Capitol riot online
« Reply #67 on: January 12, 2021, 12:47:33 pm »
Where was Donald Trump? How can you even begin to say he is responsible for the actions of others??

Legally (criminally) responsible?   No.

Morally responsible?   I say yes, you say no.    That's called a difference of opinion.

Politically responsible?   Absitively and posilutely.  LIke Truman said,  the buck stops with the President.  This was such a monumental blunder,  it will define his legacy and end his political career for good.   
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« Reply #68 on: January 12, 2021, 01:17:22 pm »
Legally (criminally) responsible?   No.

Morally responsible?   I say yes, you say no.    That's called a difference of opinion.

Politically responsible?   Absitively and posilutely.  LIke Truman said,  the buck stops with the President.  This was such a monumental blunder,  it will define his legacy and end his political career for good.

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I am curious how you claim sedition while also stating not legally responsible.
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Re: Trump supporters organized the Capitol riot online
« Reply #69 on: January 12, 2021, 01:24:48 pm »
Urging people to express their views peacefully = sedition these days, dontcha know.  Newspeak?   :pondering:
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Re: Trump supporters organized the Capitol riot online
« Reply #70 on: January 12, 2021, 01:40:16 pm »
Urging people to express their views peacefully = sedition these days, dontcha know.  Newspeak?   :pondering:

What happened at the Capitol wasn't peaceful.   One cop was bludgeoned to death,  another almost crushed to death.   Shouts can be heard to "hang Pence".    The entire episode was a disgrace.   And the usual response I get is the lame "look at the BLM riots - they did it too".   I thought conservatives were better than falling back on that morally dubious excuse. 

Here's Gerard Baker in this morning's WJS:

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Now is the time when conservatives especially need to look beyond the frustrations of what often seems like an unlevel playing field and acknowledge an unequivocal, unqualified truth:  The President's behavior last week was uniquely and unforgivably iniquitous.  And the decay goes deeper.  It cannot be excused by citing counterparts on the left.

The primary responsibility for the crimes committed last week lies with the perpetrators.  No doubt many of them thought they were simply exercising, robustly, their constitutional right to protest.  But watch the videos and you get a sense of how malvoelent many of them were.

Whether the President's words last Wednesday were an actual incitement to violent insurrection can be debated by lawyers and semiologists.  But there's no out that his repeated false claims about the election provided the fuel for the metaphorical arsonists whose work he inspired.  Mr. Trump disgraced his office and the nation . . . 

What starts with righteous frustration at the accretion of power by distant elites can congeal into an alienated politics of faith, not reason, a faith that embraces conspiracy theories and fictions that unscrupulous politicians are willing to feed.  It ends in the monstrous chaos of so-called patriots violently storming the seat of republican government.

That path for a reinvigorated conservative movement is a narrow by fruitful one.  It must articulate the legitimate grievances of Americans, while resisting the temptation to win them over with simplistic fictions.

It could start with a turn toward moral clarity. 
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« Reply #71 on: January 12, 2021, 01:51:19 pm »
The point is that Trump did nothing to rile up those few dozen people who entered the Capitol and committed, in your opinion, sedition. He called for peace. Your continued assertion that he committed sedition is utter nonsense.

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« Reply #72 on: January 12, 2021, 02:11:20 pm »
The point is that Trump did nothing to rile up those few dozen people who entered the Capitol and committed, in your opinion, sedition. He called for peace. Your continued assertion that he committed sedition is utter nonsense.

The acts themselves were seditious.   "In my opinion"?C'mon, get real.  You seem to want to minimize the malevolence of  those acts in order to protect the President.   But, as Mr. Baker wrote,  the President had been feeding these folks with fictions for weeks.  And he must been aware of the internet chatter promising violence.

You reap what you sow.

Dozens of Trump rallies took place without violence.  This one descended into madness.   Why was this one different?   The answer will reveal the President's culpability.
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Re: Trump supporters organized the Capitol riot online
« Reply #73 on: January 12, 2021, 02:15:59 pm »
The acts themselves were seditious.   "In my opinion"?C'mon, get real.  You seem to want to minimize the malevolence of  those acts in order to protect the President.   But, as Mr. Baker wrote,  the President had been feeding these folks with fictions for weeks.  And he must been aware of the internet chatter promising violence.

You reap what you sow.

Dozens of Trump rallies took place without violence.  This one descended into madness.   Why was this one different?   The answer will reveal the President's culpability.
Fictions? Elaborate, please, and tell us what fictions you refer to.
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Re: Trump supporters organized the Capitol riot online
« Reply #74 on: January 12, 2021, 02:30:51 pm »
Fictions? Elaborate, please, and tell us what fictions you refer to.

Inflammatory claims that the election was stolen,  presented without actionable evidence.   He had every right to pursue such claims up until the point when the States had certified their electors .   At that point it was his responsibility to concede.   But instead he inspired a deadly mob - an idiotic and deadly blunder.
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