Pelosi: Trump should be removed immediately..[Congress will impeach]

[libertybele]

Pence now has to make a decision and I anticipate that he will go along with invoking the 25th amendment.  From reading different articles, they have enough officers onboard ... it's ultimately in Pence's hands.

Section 4 of the 25th Amendment is what is being considered ...

Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
     
Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.

https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/amendment/amendment-xxv

[XenaLee]

This intrigues me. What is the reason for removing a president with 13 days left on his term? A final humiliation, or to strip him of his security clearances as soon as they possibly can?

I was hoping there'd be another ten or twenty good years before the statists completely effed everything up and brought on a murdering police state, but its looking like they're fast tracking it.

Well, for one thing.... to keep him from running again in 2024.

[libertybele]

Kinda hard for Pelosi to start IMpea ament proceedings when she's recessed the House until after the inauguration.

And also like I said in another post:

Trump should actually embrace a new round of Impeachment hearings and debate about the 25th Amendment under one condition...he remains in office as President until the entire process has run its course.   Biden can’t take office until due process has run its course.

All Pence has to do is give the word and round up support of officers .... that's not going to take much time.  They can get this done within hours...while he's away at Camp David.

Nancy can call Congress back into session also.

[Fishrrman]

Well, Nancy, you could always nail him to the cross that his supporters put up outside the Capitol yesterday...

(that's what they all REALLY want...)

[txradioguy]

All Pence has to do is give the word and round up support of officers .... that's not going to take much time.  They can get this done within hours...while he's away at Camp David.

Nancy can call Congress back into session also.

Pence isn’t going to do that.   

[skeeter]

Well, for one thing.... to keep him from running again in 2024.

Not about Trump. I think this is a big F*CK YOU to us - we sit back and watch while they flay the guy we voted for.

Just letting us know who's boss.

[Hoodat]

Section 4 of the 25th Amendment is what is being considered ...

Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments .  .  .

They just lost Chao.  She resigned and is no longer able to vote against Trump here.

[XenaLee]

Not about Trump. I think this is a big F*CK YOU to us - we sit back and watch while they flay the guy we voted for.

Just letting us know who's boss.

Well... yeah... but that part is just the gravy.   The main course is making sure Trump never runs again for office.

[SnoopRonnyRon]

After yesterday's events, I don't think Trump will be able to run and win in 2024.  First of all, I don't think the Repubs would nominate him after this. 

That being said, I do not think he should be impeached.  Half of the country is mad over the election, if you impeach him with less than 2 weeks left, there is going to be more outrage from the Trump diehards who feel he was cheated out of the election. 

Another issue that I am worried about is inauguration day.  Why aren't they having it done virtual?  By having a public inauguration, you are have the potential of having a crowd celebrating and a crowd protesting the legitimacy of the results.  One thing I noticed about politics is that you can't have a grown up discussion with people who aren't sharing your views.  This may be a power keg for something worse than yesterday for something to happen.

[dfwgator]

Pence isn’t going to do that.

Unless he wakes up next to a horse's head.

[XenaLee]

Unless he wakes up next to a horse's head.

At this point.... it's best not to put anything past the RL.

[christian]

On youtube a place called FLASHPOINT shows two State Police cars escorting 5 antifi-vans of people to the rally. NPR posts rioting at the capital at 9:33am, long before the rioting took place.  Like i said; this is an intelligence operation that fits with 4 years of trying to force Trump out of office.  The deep State also wants to use this operation to seize more dictatorial power in America.
 

[catfish1957]

Well, for one thing.... to keep him from running again in 2024.

I heard one constitutional scholar state that A-25 does not preclude someone from running again.   It only infers the person was unfit at the time.

[XenaLee]

On youtube a place called FLASHPOINT shows two State Police cars escorting 5 antifi-vans of people to the rally. NPR posts rioting at the capital at 9:33am, long before the rioting took place.  Like i said; this is an intelligence operation that fits with 4 years of trying to force Trump out of office.  The deep State also wants to use this operation to seize more dictatorial power in America.
 

Can you post a link to that?

[XenaLee]

I heard one constitutional scholar state that A-25 does not preclude someone from running again.   It only infers the person was unfit at the time.

The end game is to discredit Trump enough that he can't even show his face again (they think) in public.   Yeah, the leftists really are that stoopid.

[Hoodat]

The 25th Amendment option is a non-starter.  It would require Pence, eleven Executive Officers, and at minimum 17 Republican US Senators and 68 Republican House members.  And then there is the legal issue of whether acting Cabinet officers would be able to vote since they haven't yet received Congressional approval  (4 acting + 1 vacancy which would be challenged).  For anyone interested, here is a list of Executive Officers:

Department	Executive
State	Mike Pompeo
Treasury	Steve Mnuchin
Defense	Christopher Miller (not confirmed)
Justice	Jeffrey Rosen (not confirmed)
Interior	David Bernhardt
Agriculture	Sonny Perdue
Commerce	Wilbur Ross
Labor	Eugene Scalia
HHS	Alex Azar
HUD	Ben Carson
Transportation	(open)
Energy	Dan Brouillette
Education	Mick Zais (not confirmed)
VA	Robert Wilkie
Homeland Security	Chad Wolf (not confirmed - vacated by judicial fiat)
Trade Rep	Robert Lighthizer
National Intelligence	John Ratcliffe
OMB	Russell Vought
CIA	Gina Haspel
EPA	Andrew Wheeler
SBA	Jovita Carranza

Congress has six working days left.  Good luck, Dems.

[Hoodat]

I heard one constitutional scholar state that A-25 does not preclude someone from running again.   It only infers the person was unfit at the time.

Not only that, Congress would have to reconvene 21 days later to uphold it, again requiring two-thirds majorities in both houses.  Except Trump would no longer be President and Pence would no longer be acting President, which would pretty much disqualify the vote.  Trump is free and clear to run again in 2024.

[christian]

Can you post a link to that?

I'm old and not that computer savvy.  The flashpoint post has been up on todays youtube, and should be easy to find.

[christian]

Notice as the democrats viciously go after Trump and conservatives, they preach healing and harmony.  They openly reveal how wicked and depraved they really are.  Showing how they will rule when they rule completely.

[bilo]

The end game is to discredit Trump enough that he can't even show his face again (they think) in public.   Yeah, the leftists really are that stoopid.

You are spot on!

I noticed one thing recently, the media and all the establishment pols refer to the Capitol Bldg as "our sacred site". It sure does illustrate the divide between them and us. Govt is not my God and those that serve govt are not to be revered. The establishment is freaking out not only because the peasants dared to express disapproval with their obvious corruption, but also because the peasants don't worship their god (govt).

I'm praying Trump doesn't disappear into the sunset. We need to not only keep fighting, but we need to vote out of office as many of the Pubs who choose govt over us as possible. 

[Idiot]

You are spot on!

I noticed one thing recently, the media and all the establishment pols refer to the Capitol Bldg as "our sacred site". It sure does illustrate the divide between them and us. Govt is not my God and those that serve govt are not to be revered. The establishment is freaking out not only because the peasants dared to express disapproval with their obvious corruption, but also because the peasants don't worship their god (govt).

I'm praying Trump doesn't disappear into the sunset. We need to not only keep fighting, but we need to vote out of office as many of the Pubs who choose govt over us as possible.

Trump disappear into the sunset?  I don't think so....the man can't help himself.  He'll be on the news DAILY.

[XenaLee]

You are spot on!

I noticed one thing recently, the media and all the establishment pols refer to the Capitol Bldg as "our sacred site". It sure does illustrate the divide between them and us. Govt is not my God and those that serve govt are not to be revered. The establishment is freaking out not only because the peasants dared to express disapproval with their obvious corruption, but also because the peasants don't worship their god (govt).

I'm praying Trump doesn't disappear into the sunset. We need to not only keep fighting, but we need to vote out of office as many of the Pubs who choose govt over us as possible.

We need to start at the bottom, instead of the top...ie at the presidency and Congressional level.  We need to focus and concentrate on getting Conservatives into positions at local levels, especially involving elections.... just as the left has done. 

Their minions are embedded at every level and we must emulate that. If we don't start playing this game smarter we will lose every time.  There are 75 million outraged righties (approximately) that should channel their outrage into action by getting involved in government at every level, but especially at the bottom.  Be the silent but nagging thorn in their side for a change... and increase our power with subtle resolve.  (just my two cents sans coffee this am)

[skeeter]

Trump disappear into the sunset?  I don't think so....the man can't help himself.  He'll be on the news DAILY.

This movement has to find a way to move ahead without him or any figurehead, though. Given the Alinksy tactics of the rat media it needs to be as decentralized as possible. I'm not sure how that would be possible, though.

[catfish1957]

This movement has to find a way to move ahead without him or any figurehead, though. Given the Alinksy tactics of the rat media it needs to be as decentralized as possible. I'm not sure how that would be possible, though.

If we could find a Reagan with MAGA ideology?  Wham!!!!

[skeeter]

If we could find a Reagan with MAGA ideology?  Wham!!!!

I don't think any single person could bear up under the media assault, not even another Reagan. The whack a mole strategy is the only way to gain forward momentum.