In memo, Republican Liz Cheney condemns pro-Trump election challenges

[Right_in_Virginia]

In memo, Republican Liz Cheney condemns pro-Trump election challenges
Washington Examiner, Jan 3, 2021

In a 21-page memo sent to her Republican colleagues in the House, Wyoming Rep. Liz Cheney lambasted the House and Senate's proposed objections to certifying the 2020 election results on Wednesday.

In the memo, obtained by the Washington Examiner, Cheney writes, "By objecting to electoral slates, members are unavoidably asserting that Congress has the authority to overturn elections and overrule state and federal courts."

Cheney, the House Republican Conference chairwoman and third-ranking GOP lawmaker, goes on to write the exercise would "set an exceptionally dangerous precedent, threatening to steal states' explicit constitutional responsibility for choosing the President and bestowing it instead on Congress."

In recent days, Missouri Sen. Josh Hawley and 11 other incoming and sitting Republican senators, led by Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, said they would also join in the objection. Cruz and the other 10 current and incoming senators called for a commission to investigate allegations of voter fraud, particularly in the six swing states President Trump claims he won.

Cruz said the commission could complete its work in 10 days.

Cheney threw water on that suggestion as well. The memo reads, "The recent proposal for a new "Commission" is even more problematic. It is not reasonable to anticipate that any commission so formed could wrap up its work in 10 days; indeed, the subsequent debate at both the state and federal level would likely require months. Did those proposing a new commission realize that they were in essence proposing to delay the inaugural?"

Cheney's memo summarizes the conclusions made by both state and federal courts in six states, Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Nevada, and Wisconsin.


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/in-memo-republican-liz-cheney-condemns-pro-trump-election-challenges

[Right_in_Virginia]

She thinks she's going places.   

[dfwgator]

War-Monger says what?

[kevindavis007]

Good

[Jazzhead]

Good to see there remain patriots in these days, who think of the nation before party or faction.    If we believe in a constitutional Republic,  then we must accept the results of the people as certified by each sovereign state instead of usurping such authority in favor of Congress.    Where is the concern for the horrible precedent this is all setting?

[libertybele]

Good to see there remain patriots in these days, who think of the nation before party or faction.    If we believe in a constitutional Republic,  then we must accept the results of the people as certified by each sovereign state instead of usurping such authority in favor of Congress.    Where is the concern or the horrible precedent this is all setting?

I absolutely believe in our Constitution and our Republic.  There has been overwhelming evidence of fraudulent voting and corruption of voting machines, so the certification of votes in those districts/states should be null and void.  It is unfortunate that judges and our own Supreme Court would not hear cases; not because of lack of evidence but for fear of subversive groups like BLM and Antifa protesting a FAIR election.

So, what has this precedent now set?  It means that the DEMS and their subversive groups are now ruling by fraud, corruption and mob reprisal and have gotten away with it and will continue to do so.  We will have a one party system leading us to socialism.

WE THE PEOPLE MUST stand for our Constitution and our Republic.  Our own SCOTUS failed to do that.  Our AG looked the other way.

[thackney]

...Where is the concern for the horrible precedent this is all setting?

Where is the concern for ignoring massive voting law violations and fraud?

[Jazzhead]

Where is the concern for ignoring massive voting law violations and fraud?

The states allegedly involved have lawfully certified their electors.   There is no remedy available without usurping state sovereignty.   The path ahead is to reform election laws.   But the 2020 election is over and it is time for true patriots to respect the verdict of the people. 

[thackney]

The states allegedly involved have lawfully certified their electors.   There is no remedy available without usurping state sovereignty.   The path ahead is to reform election laws.   But the 2020 election is over and it is time for true patriots to respect the verdict of the people.

If it was fraud, it was not the verdict of the people, but of those that committed fraud.

And what of the states that violated their own election laws?

[skeeter]

If it was fraud, it was not the verdict of the people, but of those that committed fraud.

And what of the states that violated their own election laws?

You weren't expecting an answer, were you?

[Jazzhead]

If it was fraud, it was not the verdict of the people, but of those that committed fraud.

And what of the states that violated their own election laws?

Each state has certified its results,  with court challenges resolved.   All that is left now is to count each elector's vote.   There is no remedy at this point that will not usurp state sovereignty.  If your state cannot abide the notion that Pennsylvania alone gets to choose its electors,  then its objection is with the Constitution and the remedy is to secede.

[thackney]

Each state has certified its results,  with court challenges resolved.   All that is left now is to count each elector's vote.   There is no remedy at this point that will not usurp state sovereignty.  If your state cannot abide the notion that Pennsylvania alone gets to choose its electors,  then its objection is with the Constitution and the remedy is to secede.

When states violate the constitution without remedy, what union remains to keep?

[Jazzhead]

When states violate the constitution without remedy, what union remains to keep?

Like I said,  secede away.   But there is no violation of the Constitution.   There,  each state has the sovereign right to determine for itself how to choose its electors.   In Pennsylvania,  the results were certified in accordance with Pennsylvania law, after the resolution of court challenges.

 If there was fraud with respect to that certification,  the victims are Pennsylvanians alone,  and the GOP majority in the PA legislature ought to do something about it.   But it is not within the power of Congress to usurp Pennsylvania's sovereignty.   

[thackney]

Like I said,  secede away.   But there is no violation of the Constitution.   There,  each state has the sovereign right to determine for itself how to choose its electors.   In Pennsylvania,  the results were certified in accordance with Pennsylvania law, after the resolution of court challenges.

 If there was fraud with respect to that certification,  the victims are Pennsylvanians alone,  and the GOP majority in the PA legislature ought to do something about it.   But it is not within the power of Congress to usurp Pennsylvania's sovereignty.   

Article I, section 4 was not followed by Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.  There is no Union anymore.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Article I, section 4 was not followed by Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.  There is no Union anymore.

@Jazzhead is a troll.  The world is better off letting it starve.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Hey, Cheney .... meet your new colleague.

New Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene. Georgia's 14, attends the swearing in ceremony in Congress.

[skeeter]

@Jazzhead is a troll.  The world is better off letting it starve.

But you gotta admit that was a pretty efficient smackdown.

[libertybele]

Like I said,  secede away.   But there is no violation of the Constitution.   There,  each state has the sovereign right to determine for itself how to choose its electors.   In Pennsylvania,  the results were certified in accordance with Pennsylvania law, after the resolution of court challenges.

 If there was fraud with respect to that certification,  the victims are Pennsylvanians alone,  and the GOP majority in the PA legislature ought to do something about it.   But it is not within the power of Congress to usurp Pennsylvania's sovereignty.   

You are delusional.

[Right_in_Virginia]

But you gotta admit that was a pretty efficient smackdown.

Yes, it was @thackney @skeeter

[Jazzhead]

Except that no Constitutional violation has occurred.  But it will if Congress substitutes its electors for those chosen in accordance with the citizens of a sovereign state.

The principle here is pretty basic.   Respect the sovereignty of a state,  and its citizens.   Disrespect them, and risk disorder.

The Trump delusion is crazy and dangerous.

[libertybele]

But you gotta admit that was a pretty efficient smackdown.

[thackney]

Except that no Constitutional violation has occurred.

I will take the opinion of the one who authored 70 U.S. Supreme Court briefs and presented 43 oral arguments and made nine appearances before the Supreme Court over yours.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Like I said,  secede away.   But there is no violation of the Constitution.   There,  each state has the sovereign right to determine for itself how to choose its electors.   In Pennsylvania,  the results were certified in accordance with Pennsylvania law, after the resolution of court challenges.

 If there was fraud with respect to that certification,  the victims are Pennsylvanians alone,  and the GOP majority in the PA legislature ought to do something about it.   But it is not within the power of Congress to usurp Pennsylvania's sovereignty.   

You forgot the little fact that no state is 'sovereign' when it comes to a federal election.  It MUST be in conformance with the Constitution of the United States.

In your distorted world, if, say Pennsylvania, chose to elect a President by spinning a dial on a roulette table, it is able to do so.

You are absolutely wrong that only the citizens of Pennsylvania are able to enforce elections when those elections do not abide by the federal Constitution.

[libertybele]

You forgot the little fact that no state is 'sovereign' when it comes to a federal election.  It MUST be in conformance with the Constitution of the United States.

In your distorted world, if, say Pennsylvania, chose to elect a President by spinning a dial on a roulette table, it is able to do so.

You are absolutely wrong that only the citizens of Pennsylvania are able to enforce elections when those elections do not abide by the federal Constitution.

 

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Except that no Constitutional violation has occurred.  But it will if Congress substitutes its electors for those chosen in accordance with the citizens of a sovereign state.

The principle here is pretty basic.   Respect the sovereignty of a state,  and its citizens.   Disrespect them, and risk disorder.

The Trump delusion is crazy and dangerous.

You fell into a delicious trap when you declared that 'the citizens' chose the electors.

They did not, and there is proof, and you simply slime away on your delusions by ignoring the proof.

And the real irony is your trumpeting that states are 'sovereign' and 'secede away' will be forgotten by you when Texas or other states actually enforce a secession as you will be the first bellowing that they do not have the right to do so.